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    Obama killing coal

    Obama Fails as Energy Investment Officer- in-Chief
    Tom Borelli

    Jun 15, 2012


    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the amount of electricity generated from coal has dropped from 44.6 percent to 36 percent just in the last year. With the regulatory burden facing coal, utilities are rapidly switching to natural gas whose price has been extremely low.

    While Obama has punished the coal industry his aggressive promotion and support of renewable energy has failed to reward shareholders of renewable energy stocks.

    Unlike coal, a free-market demand for renewable power such as solar and wind power does not exist. The use of renewable energy is artificially driven by government through state mandates and financially supported by state and federal subsidies.

    Accordingly, investors in renewable energy are subjected to an enormous amount of political risk. Even without coal, its high price energy faces competition from low natural gas prices.

    The spectacular failure of the share price of First Solar – a solar panel maker – highlights the risk for investors betting on Obama’s clean energy policy.

    Before the stock market crash, First Solar hit its high around $300 a share and since then it’s been all downhill. In May 2009, when the Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill which included a national renewable energy mandate passed the House of Representatives, First Solar was trading at about $190 a share and at $120 in July 2010 when the Senate Democrats officially declared the end of the legislation.

    This week First Solar is selling at around $13 a share. In addition to the absence of a federal mandate for renewable energy, the company was hurt by falling government subsidies in Europe and competition from China.

    In April, First Solar announced it was reducing 30 percent of its employees and closing two production facilities in Germany. Reduction in European subsides was the major reason for its business problems.

    The dependency of the company’s business on government support was made clear when a company official stated its business in Europe “is not viable without significant subsidies.”

    Similarly, wind energy has also been a loser for investors. A wind energy exchange trade fund FAN, whose investments are concentrated in wind power companies, has dropped from about $11 a share to about $6 during the last year.

    A major concern for investors is the Production Tax Credit for wind power. The income tax credit of 2.2 cents per kilowatt-hour for wind energy producers is scheduled to expire at the end of this year unless Congress acts to extend the tax incentive.

    President Obama’s effort to direct the power sources for electricity production has resulted in enormous losses for investors and jeopardizes thousands of jobs. Through his executive powers, Obama showed he can destroy an industry but he is helpless to override the inherent limitations of renewable energy to create a market.

    As many investors and employees in the energy sector will testify, President Obama fails as energy Investment Officer- in-Chief.
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    Re: Obama killing coal

    Eh, he can thank Aubrey McClendon and his fellow drillers and frackers for that.

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    Re: Obama killing coal

    He's killing everything even campaign workers....!!!
    Hey... maybe T BOONE can pony up and start a Stilleater newspaper... but the players would probably just use it to roll the weed.

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    Re: Obama killing coal

    Is it really any policy that's killing coal? Or is it more the extraordinary low price of gas?
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    Re: Obama killing coal

    Quote Originally Posted by KantoSooner View Post
    Is it really any policy that's killing coal? Or is it more the extraordinary low price of gas?
    Both. There were plans to mothball many of the coal plants due to incoming regulations. I'm not exactly sure when those regulations were enacted, but it was my understanding that they had been coming for years. The low gas price just accelerated the plans for certain utilities.
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    Re: Obama killing coal

    Coal is still by far the cheapest energy source available. However, as skysooner stated, regulations, low NG prices & low cost NG plants have made it an easier transition.

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    Re: Obama killing coal

    and the downside for switching from coal to gas is?

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    None, unless we don't have any new energy source when the gas runs out... We will still have lots of coal, though maybe no place to burn it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    and the downside for switching from coal to gas is?

    Cost would be one. Coal is the cheapest energy source....by far. NG would usually be 2nd. Also, NG prices are a lot more volatile than coal so what is great right now could be considerably higher in the next decade. Coal will not likely change much in the next few decades.

    While I support NG (and it is considerably cleaner than coal) in addition to all other energy sources including coal, this doesn't move us towards energy independence because it doesn't address the transportation sector and that is where virtually all of our imported oil goes. The key for the Obama and/or any administration should have been moving large segments of our transportation to NG from oil...now that would be something worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    and the downside for switching from coal to gas is?

    Cost would be one. Coal is the cheapest energy source....by far. NG would usually be 2nd. Also, NG prices are a lot more volatile than coal so what is great right now could be considerably higher in the next decade. Coal will not likely change much in the next few decades.

    While I support NG (and it is considerably cleaner than coal) in addition to all other energy sources including coal, this doesn't move us towards energy independence because it doesn't address the transportation sector and that is where virtually all of our imported oil goes. The key for the Obama and/or any administration should have been moving large segments of our transportation to NG from oil...now that would be something worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Coal is still by far the cheapest energy source available. However, as skysooner stated, regulations, low NG prices & low cost NG plants have made it an easier transition.
    Right now you see coal = natural gas at a gas cost of $3.50/mmbtu based on our analyses. NG prices are going to be more bullish in the coming years. Switching transportation infrastructure over (particularly long-haul transports) would really help energy independence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KantoSooner View Post
    Is it really any policy that's killing coal? Or is it more the extraordinary low price of gas?
    The EPA's mandate on clean air and scrubbing coal byproducts from the air!
    Noone can afford to modify the coal fired plants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Cost would be one. Coal is the cheapest energy source....by far. NG would usually be 2nd. Also, NG prices are a lot more volatile than coal so what is great right now could be considerably higher in the next decade. Coal will not likely change much in the next few decades.

    While I support NG (and it is considerably cleaner than coal) in addition to all other energy sources including coal, this doesn't move us towards energy independence because it doesn't address the transportation sector and that is where virtually all of our imported oil goes. The key for the Obama and/or any administration should have been moving large segments of our transportation to NG from oil...now that would be something worthwhile.
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    Re: Obama killing coal

    Quote Originally Posted by soonercruiser View Post
    The EPA's mandate on clean air and scrubbing coal byproducts from the air!
    Noone can afford to modify the coal fired plants.
    clean air is overrated

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    Re: Obama killing coal

    Coal going downhill is great for Oklahoma and great for the economy.

    That said, considering the way things have changed, can anyone point to things specifically undertaken by the Obama administration which haven't been coming down the pike for eons now which have affected the industry to that extent?

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    Re: Obama killing coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    Coal going downhill is great for Oklahoma and great for the economy.

    That said, considering the way things have changed, can anyone point to things specifically undertaken by the Obama administration which haven't been coming down the pike for eons now which have affected the industry to that extent?
    Maybe in yer neck of the woods, But here Coal is one Major employer
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    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    Maybe in yer neck of the woods, But here Coal is one Major employer
    'round here, NG is kind of big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    'round here, NG is kind of big.
    So then it would be "Good" for yer area Not the entire state .
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    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Coal is still by far the cheapest energy source available. However, as skysooner stated, regulations, low NG prices & low cost NG plants have made it an easier transition.
    Not really. They get a free ride polluting the sh*t out of our air. Which is an externalized subsidy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    So then it would be "Good" for yer area Not the entire state .
    My part of the state actually contributes to the tax base...so...

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