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    The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Just an update on what's happening........

    Today the Recall Petitions were due. Over a million signatures were turned in. K500+ were needed.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...137489833.html


    "The sheer number of signatures being filed against Walker - nearly as many as the total votes cast for the governor in November 2010 and almost twice as many as those needed to trigger a recall election - ensure the election will be held."


    4 other Wisconsin legislators will also face recall elections as well as the Lt. Governor.


    Looks like Wisconsin wants their State back.


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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    No telling when this will be all played out, with the signature verification, the lawsuits, appeals, primary selection of candidates and finally the new elections.

    My guess it'll be next Fall.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaii 5-0 View Post
    Just an update on what's happening........

    Today the Recall Petitions were due. Over a million signatures were turned in. K500+ were needed.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...137489833.html


    "The sheer number of signatures being filed against Walker - nearly as many as the total votes cast for the governor in November 2010 and almost twice as many as those needed to trigger a recall election - ensure the election will be held."


    4 other Wisconsin legislators will also face recall elections as well as the Lt. Governor.


    Looks like Wisconsin wants their State back.


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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Yes, that Wisconsin is a shining beacon of freedom to the world...


    'Mickey Mouse’ OK for Walker recall

    Signatures of names like Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler are being considered valid on recall petitions of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker as long as they are properly dated, a government board indicated Tuesday.

    “We will flag them, but we will not strike them without challenge,” said board elections specialist David Buerger, when asked whether Mickey Mouse’s signature could count. He added that in previous petitions, Hitler’s name was only struck because the address was in Germany, not due to the name itself.
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1joVFPMsL

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by sappstuf View Post
    Yes, that Wisconsin is a shining beacon of freedom to the world...




    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1joVFPMsL


    Now it's up to Walker to prove that Mickey Mouse and Hitler don't live in Wisconsin.

    There's gotta be at least 500,000 Hitlers in Milwaukee alone.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Looks like the unions are crying for "momma" and want to steal the election... What a disservice to Wisky and the costs! Why not wait to have your chance at the next official go 'round?
    Everything progressives do is aimed at weakening democracy, capitalism and the social and cultural institutions that support those things...... They are about subjugating people and being a ruling class.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    While the petitions were being delivered Walker wasn't even in the State. He was in NYC at a $2,500 per plate fundraiser held by the ex-head of AIG. Remember them? They stole billions of taypayer's money before going belly up.


    The Wisky Recall petitioners gathered almost 2 million signatures in just 60 days in the middle of Wisconsin Winter. No small task.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Just go to a Packer game, not a problem picking up lots of people...
    Everything progressives do is aimed at weakening democracy, capitalism and the social and cultural institutions that support those things...... They are about subjugating people and being a ruling class.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHumanAlphabet View Post
    Just go to a Packer game, not a problem picking up lots of people...
    Or a casino. Wisconsin is loaded with Indian reservations and there's a casino on every one I think.

    Or a Badger game. UW is in Madison and the entire campus is crazy levels of liberal.

    Despite the high sig count, I do not expect Gov. Walker to be recalled unless something major happens between now and the election.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Actually, the things Walker did are working and working well. Cities have gone down, budgeting is much easier for cities and school boards. I think local taxes may also fall. Recent story in one of Wisconsin papers even praised Walker's efforts as working. Don't know what will happen with all the outside money flowing in, but it isn't as rosey for the anti's as 5-0 would have people think.
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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHumanAlphabet View Post
    Actually, the things Walker did are working and working well. Cities have gone down, budgeting is much easier for cities and school boards. I think local taxes may also fall. Recent story in one of Wisconsin papers even praised Walker's efforts as working. Don't know what will happen with all the outside money flowing in, but it isn't as rosey for the anti's as 5-0 would have people think.
    My grandparents who have lived up there their entire lives told me the same thing last month, that suddenly they don't need to go through the union-chosen healthcare provider, but get the exact same coverage from a company like United Healthcare at a fraction of the cost to the taxpayers.

    Sounds like there was lots of kickback shenanigans going on with union contracts, and it unfortunately took a budget crisis to uncover it.

    I do think that Walker was overly aggressive in pushing his agenda, but part of the outcomes seems to have benefited the state.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHumanAlphabet View Post
    Looks like the unions are crying for "momma" and want to steal the election... What a disservice to Wisky and the costs! Why not wait to have your chance at the next official go 'round?
    Just like acorn stole it for Obama? It hasn't even happened yet and you are already crying like a little girl. Why is it when you people are voted out, you cry foul? Why didn't you people follow your advise in California with Grey Davis? It is democracy at work, if it was a dem being recalled you'd be cheering.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ictsooner7 View Post
    Just like acorn stole it for Obama? It hasn't even happened yet and you are already crying like a little girl. Why is it when you people are voted out, you cry foul? Why didn't you people follow your advise in California with Grey Davis? It is democracy at work, if it was a dem being recalled you'd be cheering.
    No dems crying foul over elections? Gore/W ring any bells?

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    No dems crying foul over elections? Gore/W ring any bells?
    Yeah, fouls are cried often in elections, or state questions, or petitions, or anything else involving anything as heated as politics.

    Just have to have faith sometimes that the process will be carried out fairly and that the will of voters will be done. Simply whining before/during/after the fact does no good.

    I have no doubt that Wisconsin will have a recall election, even if it is discovered that some people signed petitions 50 times each or signed fakes names with fake addresses. However, without a major event, Gov. Walker will remain Gov. Walker after the recall election, IMHO. Why? A few reasons:

    1- Who is the alternative.
    When Gray Davis was up for recall, there were two strong candidates --- Arnold and Lt. Gov. Cruz Busta... whatever his name was. There were also tons of name candidates out there that people had heard of, including the late Gary Coleman and someone named Michael Jackson who was not THE Michael Jackson. If people are going to feel strongly enough to vote out the sitting governor, they also have to feel strongly about who his replacement is. Right now, no major candidate has emerged.

    2- People like to vote for the status quo unless they have a huge reason not to.
    In California, the situation was apparently getting too frustration, to the point of people not being able to afford to live, even without the national recession we're currently camped in. In Wisconsin, an overzealous governor pushed his agenda a little bit too far. That alone, IMHO, will not cause a majority of voters to oust a governor. It has to personally impact a voter before they will be moved away from status quo... taxes unaffordably high, unemployed for far too long, blackouts, roads that impassable, police/fire not being available in emergencies, etc.

    3- Worry about shenanigans.
    You will hardly ever find someone who is motivated enough to vote in state elections who does not have some level of state pride. That said, if Wisconsin voters think that they are being pushed too much by non-Wisconsin people (read: unions bombarding them when endless ads), they will absolutely vote against the recall. Gov. Walker and his supporters absolutely must hammer this point home, or at least create doubt in voter's minds --- get reports of recall petitions being supported by groups based elsewhere, tell voters where the money for ad campaigns is coming from if it's outside of wisconsin --- to the point that they are angry.

    I am not saying Gov. Walker will not be recalled. I am saying that at this point in time, the recall petitioners have not made their case to the point that they need to in order to get a majority of voters to recall Walker.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by badger View Post
    Yeah, fouls are cried often in elections, or state questions, or petitions, or anything else involving anything as heated as politics.

    Just have to have faith sometimes that the process will be carried out fairly and that the will of voters will be done. Simply whining before/during/after the fact does no good.

    I have no doubt that Wisconsin will have a recall election, even if it is discovered that some people signed petitions 50 times each or signed fakes names with fake addresses. However, without a major event, Gov. Walker will remain Gov. Walker after the recall election, IMHO. Why? A few reasons:

    1- Who is the alternative.
    When Gray Davis was up for recall, there were two strong candidates --- Arnold and Lt. Gov. Cruz Busta... whatever his name was. There were also tons of name candidates out there that people had heard of, including the late Gary Coleman and someone named Michael Jackson who was not THE Michael Jackson. If people are going to feel strongly enough to vote out the sitting governor, they also have to feel strongly about who his replacement is. Right now, no major candidate has emerged.

    2- People like to vote for the status quo unless they have a huge reason not to.
    In California, the situation was apparently getting too frustration, to the point of people not being able to afford to live, even without the national recession we're currently camped in. In Wisconsin, an overzealous governor pushed his agenda a little bit too far. That alone, IMHO, will not cause a majority of voters to oust a governor. It has to personally impact a voter before they will be moved away from status quo... taxes unaffordably high, unemployed for far too long, blackouts, roads that impassable, police/fire not being available in emergencies, etc.

    3- Worry about shenanigans.
    You will hardly ever find someone who is motivated enough to vote in state elections who does not have some level of state pride. That said, if Wisconsin voters think that they are being pushed too much by non-Wisconsin people (read: unions bombarding them when endless ads), they will absolutely vote against the recall. Gov. Walker and his supporters absolutely must hammer this point home, or at least create doubt in voter's minds --- get reports of recall petitions being supported by groups based elsewhere, tell voters where the money for ad campaigns is coming from if it's outside of wisconsin --- to the point that they are angry.

    I am not saying Gov. Walker will not be recalled. I am saying that at this point in time, the recall petitioners have not made their case to the point that they need to in order to get a majority of voters to recall Walker.
    Really haven't followed the recalls all that closely. I certainly don't have a dog in this fight other than I don't think government unions are a right. It may be ultimately the best thing and I have seen some information provided that shows some advantages to government unions. But when they start declaring it as a right they lose me. Now private sector wise I do feel it is a right...at least to collectively bargain should a group choose to do so.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    My only dog in this fight is that Wisconsin is my birth state and I have lots of family and friends up there, so I have a soft spot for it. It was my Wisconsin upbringing that makes me a more moderate Republican compared to a lot of Republicans I've seen in Oklahoma.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    I do watch the "70's" show.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    I am watching this election somewhat as I am an unrepresented tax payer of Oneida county, Wisconsin. Meaning, my family owns lake front property and we get the shaft because they know only "non-state" people can afford lake front property and we can't vote... Ha! Those rich sombitches!
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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaii 5-0 View Post
    The Wisky Recall petitioners gathered almost 2 million signatures in just 60 days in the middle of Wisconsin Winter. No small task.

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    An impossible task if you ask me. Smells of fraud.

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    Re: The Wisconsin Recall Thread, Part 2

    Remember the 14 Senate members that ran away to Chicago to avoid a vote to end collective bargaining for public employees?

    Well, all 14 are still serving and prepresenting the people who elected them.

    Meanwhile 2 of Walker's rubber stamp Republicans have been tossed on their ears and now 4 more are being recalled.

    Some kind of fraud going on, that's for sure.

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