Think back...When Mike Stoops was our DC

[thecrimsoncrusader]

So the skill level of Texas Tech increasing over the years has nothing to do with that?

Not by 100+ passing yards per game and Texas Tech was putting up big time numbers against everyone but Oklahoma until Brent Vulnerables took over. Things were wrong right out of the gate in the 2004 season when Oklahoma's corners' were lined up 12 to 15 yards off the LOS in the Bowling Green game and the Sooners haven't looked back since and have been worse because of it. OU went from giving up 230 passing yards against Texas Tech to 369 passing yards in just one year and that went far beyond just losing some great personnel from the 2003 squad. There was a schematic and philosophical change under Brent Vulnerables and ultimately, a schematic and philosophical failure.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

There was a schematic and philosophical change under Brent Vulnerables and ultimately, a schematic and philosophical failure.

Great information..Tell me what the schematic and philosophical changes were.

[sooner59]

After seeing OU getting torched for 40+ points so many times in the past several years, I'm game for anything that will shake it up. I just don't trust the defense anymore. I watch OU games with a feeling in my stomach that we are always just about to give up a huge play. I say bring him in. If it doesn't work. Oh well, it was a nice try. If it does work, everybody will shut up and be happy (except for the 80% of our fanbase that are just d-bags on a daily basis). Sorry if I don't get all angry that we were disappointing on defense this year and something might actually be done about it. I mean, I'm sure after struggling at the great program of Arizona, Mike probably doesn't have any desire to win. I like his fire, if he adds nothing more to the program than that alone.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I know if he does come back and it doesn't work out, I won't be one of those fans that gloat in his failure and enjoy a "I told you so" attitude on message boards..

[sooner59]

I know if he does come back and it doesn't work out, I won't be one of those fans that gloat in his failure and enjoy a "I told you so" attitude on message boards..

I knew that already. But you are one of the few who don't carry that attitude.

[thecrimsoncrusader]

Texas Tech's passing yards from 2000 to 2003 against Oklahoma's defense under Mike Stoops:

2000: 248
2001: 254
2002: 224
2003: 230

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Texas Tech went from averaging 250 passing yards per game against the Sooners when Mike Stoops was at Oklahoma to 350 passing yards per game since Brent Vulnerables took over. And Texas Tech was already performing well offensively at that time, so it's not merely a factor of them getting even better over the years.

I would just like to point out that these stats are wrong. The number for BV is at 325/game with this year's total skewing it up from 300. The 350 number is what we've been giving up in Lubbock.

Year Passing Yards Points Rushing
2004 369 13 65
2005 232 23 109
2006 250 24 31
2007 420 34 53
2008 361 21 88
2009 388 41 188
2010 136 7 182
2011 452 41 145

[NormanPride]

Then Derrick Strait left.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

And by then, Leach's teams were full of Leach's recruits..

[NormanPride]

Year Passing Yards Points Rushing
2009 388 41 188
2011 452 41 145

[thecrimsoncrusader]

Great information..Tell me what the schematic and philosophical changes were.

Going to smaller and faster middle linebackers, soft coverage by the cornerbacks, less blitzing by the nickelback, over complicating the defense to the point of causing confusion for the Sooner defensive personnel. Just ask Donta, Brodney or Antonio on the confusion part.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Great information..Tell me what the schematic and philosophical changes were.

This is about the only thing that he's said that is correct. Of course, everyone conveniently forgets WHY we had to do them.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Good answer....How many great passing offenses were in the big 12 back then? How many spread offenses?

[thecrimsoncrusader]

I would just like to point out that these stats are wrong. The number for BV is at 325/game with this year's total skewing it up from 300. The 350 number is what we've been giving up in Lubbock.

Year Passing Yards Points Rushing
2004 369 13 65
2005 232 23 109
2006 250 24 31
2007 420 34 53
2008 361 21 88
2009 388 41 188
2010 136 7 182
2011 452 41 145

Yeah, 325 is really great and 25 yards is a huge difference when already over 300+ passing yards per game being allowed. No wait.

[thecrimsoncrusader]

Good answer....How many great passing offenses were in the big 12 back then? How many spread offenses?

Just keep ignoring Texas Tech then. OK.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

So you were saying there was 1.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

Going to smaller and faster middle linebackers, soft coverage by the cornerbacks, less blitzing by the nickelback, over complicating the defense to the point of causing confusion for the Sooner defensive personnel. Just ask Donta, Brodney or Antonio on the confusion part.

See, this is where I get confused. All 3 of those guys were gone after the 2004 season. We ran the exact same defense in 2004 that we ran in 2003. We didn't change the scheme until 2005 when we only had 3 scholarship DBs available for spring practice. At that point we went from the 4-2-5 to the 4-3-4 because we didn't have the personnel to run the 4-2-5 any more.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

I was just thinking, do you remember them toying around with the 4-4 in the spring just so we could field a full defense. Good times. Good times.

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

So you were saying there was 1.

Yes and that 1 went what 7-5 for 3 straight years?

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I was just thinking, do you remember them toying around with the 4-4 in the spring just so we could field a full defense. Good times. Good times.

Yeah and I remember that not lasting long..