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    Solyndra: An omen for Obama’s soon to be announced jobs plan
    August 31, 2011 | Filed under Culture Of Corruption,Obama Regime | Posted by Rick Rice
    If this isn’t a sign, there aren’t any signs:

    Solyndra, a major manufacturer of solar technology in Fremont, has shut its doors, according to employees at the campus.

    “I was told by a security guard to get my [stuff] and leave,” one employee said. The company employs a little more than 1,000 employees worldwide, according to its website.

    Shortly after it opened a massive $700 million facility, it canceled plans for a public stock offering earlier this year and warned it would be in significant trouble if federal loan guarantees did not go through.

    The company has said it will make a statement at 9am California time, though it’s not clear what that statement will be. An NBC Bay Area photographer on the scene reports security guards are not letting visitors on campus. He says “people are standing around in disbelief.” The employees have been given yellow envelopes with instructions on how to get their last checks.

    Solyndra was touted by the Obama administration as a prime example of how green technology could deliver jobs. The President visited the facility in May of last year and said “it is just a testament to American ingenuity and dynamism and the fact that we continue to have the best universities in the world, the best technology in the world, and most importantly the best workers in the world. And you guys all represent that. “

    The federal government offered $535 million in low cost loan guarantees from the Department of Energy. NBC Bay Area has contacted the White House asking for a statement.


    There are apparently lots of folks who are asking for a White House statement:

    “We smelled a rat from the onset,” Republican House Energy and Commerce Committee members Rep. Cliff Stearns and Rep. Fred Upton said in a statement to ABC News of the the $535 million government loan guarantee awarded to Solyndra in 2009.


    The manufacturer of rooftop solar panels opened in 2005 and in 2009 became the Obama administration’s first recipient of an half-billion dollar energy loan guarantee meant to help minimize the risk to venture capital firms that were backing the solar start-up. Obama made a personal visit to the factory last year to herald its bright future.

    ABC News and the Center for Public Integrity’s iWatch News first reported on questions about the choice of Solyndra for the loan in May after the Department of Energy disclosed it was being forced to restructure its loan package for the company, which was showing early signs of financial distress. One of Solyndra’s major investors was George Kaiser, an Oklahoma billionaire who raised between $50,000 and $100,000 for Obama during the 2008 election.
    Following the ABC News and iWatch News reports, the House Energy and Commerce Committee opened an investigation into the loan, which Stearns and Upton said today was “suspect from day one.”

    “I think what happens is they give some of this money out to people who are either contributors or strong supporters,” Stearns said weeks before Solyndra announced its closing. “I think in the long term we have to worry about the United States government guaranteeing loans for businesses based perhaps upon favoritism.”

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    I guess we could all point at Enron and say that the fundamentals of the 'dirty' energy industry are bad? It's sad that political hacks are using the demise of a promising company due to what appears to be finance issues as some sort of sign affecting the entire economy.

    The final quote of Stearns and Upton is downright hilarious though. "I think in the long term we have to worry about the United States government guaranteeing loans for businesses based perhaps on favoritism." We're trying to jump start the economy. If they really think that can be accomplished by cutting government spending (which takes jobs away from the economy), they're in la la land.

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    Re: Obama Contributors - Even Alternative Energy Busineses Going Under

    Bottom line is that the Gov't pissed away over half a Billion $$'s
    Last edited by REDREX; 9/5/2011 at 06:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    I guess we could all point at Enron and say that the fundamentals of the 'dirty' energy industry are bad? It's sad that political hacks are using the demise of a promising company due to what appears to be finance issues as some sort of sign affecting the entire economy.

    The final quote of Stearns and Upton is downright hilarious though. "I think in the long term we have to worry about the United States government guaranteeing loans for businesses based perhaps on favoritism." We're trying to jump start the economy. If they really think that can be accomplished by cutting government spending (which takes jobs away from the economy), they're in la la land.
    Or Halliburton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    Bottom line is that the Gov't pissed away over half a Billion $$'s

    We've pissed away a lot more than that in Iraq. Just ask the widows and children of the fallen.


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    I can't believe anyone is defending the loan of a half billion dollars that went down the tubes in a year or two...
    Last edited by pphilfran; 9/5/2011 at 09:10 PM.

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    Re: Obama Contributors - Even Alternative Energy Busineses Going Under

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaii 5-0 View Post
    We've pissed away a lot more than that in Iraq. Just ask the widows and children of the fallen.

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    And ten times more in Vietnam.. We should ask them too.

    Or we could just stay on topic.

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    Re: Obama Contributors - Even Alternative Energy Busineses Going Under

    Phil maybe you could get a $500,000,000 loan

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    Solyndra officials said in a news release that they were suspending operations and planned to seek Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The move would give the company time to evaluate options, including selling the business or licensing its technology to other companies.

    “This was an unexpected outcome and is most unfortunate,” Solyndra chief executive Brian Harrison said in a statement. “Regulatory and policy uncertainties” made it impossible to raise capital to quickly rescue the operation, he said.

    Wednesday’s announcement came amid a broader shakeout in the solar industry. Energy Department officials said that less expensive solar panels made by government-subsidized companies in China undercut Solyndra’s products.

    Solyndra had repeatedly been highlighted as a model by the Obama administration. Chu attended the groundbreaking of the factory that Solyndra built using the federal loan, and Vice President Joe Biden’s image was beamed to the ceremony through a video feed. In early 2010, independent auditors questioned whether Solyndra could remain a “going concern.” Obama visited Solyndra’s factory in May 2010.

    “The future is here,” Obama said in his appearance, praising plans “to hire a thousand workers.”

    A month after Obama’s visit, the company withdrew plans for a public stock offering. A few weeks later, Government Accountability Office auditors announced that the Energy Department had given favorable treatment to some loan-guarantee applicants. A GAO report said the department bypassed required steps for funding awards to five applicants, including Solyndra.

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    It's too bad that the company couldn't succeed. Alas, solar panels are costly and while some might try to claim that they'll eventually pay for themselves, it would take probably 20 years for a solar panel to pay for itself on a average joe's house... and it might need to be replaced, repaired or regularly maintained during that time... likely.

    While I'm sure taxpayers everywhere are smarting over half a billion lost to a failed company, how bout the thousand they hired? This was probably seen as really good, secure work, considering the government backing. If half a billion in government loans means no job security, what would it take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Solyndra officials said in a news release that they were suspending operations and planned to seek Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The move would give the company time to evaluate options, including selling the business or licensing its technology to other companies.

    “This was an unexpected outcome and is most unfortunate,” Solyndra chief executive Brian Harrison said in a statement. “Regulatory and policy uncertainties” made it impossible to raise capital to quickly rescue the operation, he said.

    Wednesday’s announcement came amid a broader shakeout in the solar industry. Energy Department officials said that less expensive solar panels made by government-subsidized companies in China undercut Solyndra’s products.

    Solyndra had repeatedly been highlighted as a model by the Obama administration. Chu attended the groundbreaking of the factory that Solyndra built using the federal loan, and Vice President Joe Biden’s image was beamed to the ceremony through a video feed. In early 2010, independent auditors questioned whether Solyndra could remain a “going concern.” Obama visited Solyndra’s factory in May 2010.

    “The future is here,” Obama said in his appearance, praising plans “to hire a thousand workers.”

    A month after Obama’s visit, the company withdrew plans for a public stock offering. A few weeks later, Government Accountability Office auditors announced that the Energy Department had given favorable treatment to some loan-guarantee applicants. A GAO report said the department bypassed required steps for funding awards to five applicants, including Solyndra.
    What "regulatory and policy uncertainies" could they possibly mean??

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger View Post
    It's too bad that the company couldn't succeed. Alas, solar panels are costly and while some might try to claim that they'll eventually pay for themselves, it would take probably 20 years for a solar panel to pay for itself on a average joe's house... and it might need to be replaced, repaired or regularly maintained during that time... likely.

    While I'm sure taxpayers everywhere are smarting over half a billion lost to a failed company, how bout the thousand they hired? This was probably seen as really good, secure work, considering the government backing. If half a billion in government loans means no job security, what would it take?
    it never showed a profit...never came close...

    The system to give out the loans was flawed...at least according to the GAO...the more I dig the more pizzed I get...

    http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d10627high.pdf

    The DOE had two mandates...

    1. To double renewable energy by 2012 (surprise, surprise)
    2. Commit conditionally to loan guarantees for two nuclear power facilities to add a specified minimum amount of capacity in 2010.

    However, the two performance goals are too few to reflect the full range of policy goals for the LGP. For example, there is no performance goal for the number of jobs that should be created. The performance goals also do not reflect the full scope of program activities; in particular, although the program has made conditional commitments to issue loan guarantees for energy efficiency projects, there is no performance goal that relates to such projects. Without comprehensive performance goals, DOE lacks the foundation to assess the program’s progress and, more specifically, to determine whether the projects selected for loan guarantees help achieve the desired results.

    DOE’s implementation of the LGP has treated applicants inconsistently, favoring some and disadvantaging others. For example, DOE conditionally committed to issuing loan guarantees for some projects prior to completion of external reviews required under DOE procedures. Because applicants must pay for such reviews, this procedural deviation has allowed some applicants to receive conditional commitments before incurring expenses that other applicants had to pay. It is unclear how DOE could have sufficient information to negotiate conditional commitments without such reviews.

    DOE lacks systematic mechanisms for LGP applicants to administratively appeal its decisions or to provide feedback to DOE on its process for issuing loan guarantees. Instead, DOE rereviews rejected applications on an ad hoc basis and gathers feedback through public forums and other outreach efforts that do not ensure the views obtained are representative.

    Until DOE develops implementation processes it can adhere to consistently, along with systematic approaches for rereviewing applications and obtaining and addressing applicant feedback, it may not fully realize the benefits envisioned for the LGP

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger View Post
    It's too bad that the company couldn't succeed. Alas, solar panels are costly and while some might try to claim that they'll eventually pay for themselves, it would take probably 20 years for a solar panel to pay for itself on a average joe's house... and it might need to be replaced, repaired or regularly maintained during that time... likely.

    While I'm sure taxpayers everywhere are smarting over half a billion lost to a failed company, how bout the thousand they hired? This was probably seen as really good, secure work, considering the government backing. If half a billion in government loans means no job security, what would it take?
    None if you have a profitable business plan that is operated well. Solyndra didn't have any of that.

    Obama used to praise the solar industry of Spain... I wonder why he doesn't do that anymore? Oh yeah, it is because the Spanish solar farms were producing energy at night. How is that possible you ask? Pretty simple if you plug in diesel generators and sell it back to the government at subsidized rates....

    Solar is not profitable right now, period. If it were, half a billion in government dollars would not have be needed in the first place. Same with ethanol.

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    This is the prospectus for Solyndra...keep in mind this prospectus was released after they filed for the fed loan...

    http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1...htm#toc15203_2

    In 2009 they had total revenue of 100 million

    We have incurred significant net losses since our inception and our ability to achieve or sustain a positive gross margin and profitability depends on our ability to significantly increase our production capacity and reduce our manufacturing cost per watt faster than our average selling prices decrease.

    We have incurred significant net losses since our inception, including a net loss of $114.1 million in fiscal 2007, $232.1 million in fiscal 2008 and $172.5 million in fiscal 2009, and we had an accumulated deficit of $557.7 million at January 2, 2010. We expect to continue to incur significant operating and net losses and negative cash flow from operations for the foreseeable future. Moreover, we expect that average selling prices of our photovoltaic systems will continue to decline until we offer our products at a price per watt that is comparable to conventional energy sources and alternative distributed generation technologies. The success of our business depends on our ability to significantly increase our production capacity, including the build-out of Phase I of Fab 2, and significantly reduce our manufacturing cost per watt. If we fail to achieve these objectives and reduce our manufacturing cost per watt faster than our average selling prices decrease, our business will be materially adversely impacted.

    In particular, a key component of our expansion plan is the construction and build-out of Fab 2. We estimate that the cost, which is comprised of the total capital required for the land, buildings, improvements, manufacturing equipment and certain sales, marketing and other start-up costs, for Phase I and Phase II of Fab 2 will total approximately $1.38 billion. Although we have already secured funding for Phase I with a DOE guaranteed loan facility and a prior round of equity financing, we still need financing for Phase II. We estimate the cost of Phase II will be approximately $642 million. On September 11, 2009, we applied for a second loan guarantee from the DOE, in the amount of approximately $469 million, to partially fund Phase II. If our application is approved, we intend to fund Phase II with the proceeds from the loan and this offering. Although the DOE determined on November 4, 2009 that our initial application was complete, and we submitted the second part of the application on November 17, 2009, there is no guarantee that the DOE will approve our application in the full amount requested or at all.

    Our ability to achieve broader market acceptance for our photovoltaic systems will be impacted by a number of other factors, including:

    whether system owners will adopt our CIGS thin film technology in a cylindrical module, which is a new technology with a limited history with respect to reliability and performance;


    whether system owners will be willing to purchase photovoltaic systems with an expected 25-year lifespan from us given our limited operating history;

    the ability of prospective system owners to obtain long-term financing for our photovoltaic systems on acceptable terms or at all;

    our ability to produce photovoltaic systems that compete favorably against other photovoltaic systems on the basis of price, quality and performance;

    Most of our manufacturing equipment is customized, and either we manufacture the equipment ourselves or provide our designs to third-party equipment manufacturers. If we are unable to manufacture our equipment for the costs we have budgeted or if our manufacturing equipment fails, we could experience cost overruns, delays in our expansion plans or disruptions in production and may be unable to satisfy customer demand.

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    Re: Obama Contributors - Even Alternative Energy Busineses Going Under

    Did they get two loans from the DOE? According to the prospectus it appears to be true...

    Although we have already secured funding for Phase I with a DOE guaranteed loan facility and a prior round of equity financing,

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    I realize that politicians feel they have to scratch the backs of those that contributed a lot to their elections. It's fairly notorious, on both sides of the aisle. I remember a rumor about Clinton's second term starting with overnights at the White House for $100k-plus contributors.

    I have a feeling the gravy train will not go on forever, though... does this mean that they're trying to milk the cash cow while they still can, or cut back to make it last longer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    This is the prospectus for Solyndra...keep in mind this prospectus was released after they filed for the fed loan...

    http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1...htm#toc15203_2

    In 2009 they had total revenue of 100 million

    We have incurred significant net losses since our inception and our ability to achieve or sustain a positive gross margin and profitability depends on our ability to significantly increase our production capacity and reduce our manufacturing cost per watt faster than our average selling prices decrease.

    We have incurred significant net losses since our inception, including a net loss of $114.1 million in fiscal 2007, $232.1 million in fiscal 2008 and $172.5 million in fiscal 2009, and we had an accumulated deficit of $557.7 million at January 2, 2010. We expect to continue to incur significant operating and net losses and negative cash flow from operations for the foreseeable future. Moreover, we expect that average selling prices of our photovoltaic systems will continue to decline until we offer our products at a price per watt that is comparable to conventional energy sources and alternative distributed generation technologies. The success of our business depends on our ability to significantly increase our production capacity, including the build-out of Phase I of Fab 2, and significantly reduce our manufacturing cost per watt. If we fail to achieve these objectives and reduce our manufacturing cost per watt faster than our average selling prices decrease, our business will be materially adversely impacted.

    In particular, a key component of our expansion plan is the construction and build-out of Fab 2. We estimate that the cost, which is comprised of the total capital required for the land, buildings, improvements, manufacturing equipment and certain sales, marketing and other start-up costs, for Phase I and Phase II of Fab 2 will total approximately $1.38 billion. Although we have already secured funding for Phase I with a DOE guaranteed loan facility and a prior round of equity financing, we still need financing for Phase II. We estimate the cost of Phase II will be approximately $642 million. On September 11, 2009, we applied for a second loan guarantee from the DOE, in the amount of approximately $469 million, to partially fund Phase II. If our application is approved, we intend to fund Phase II with the proceeds from the loan and this offering. Although the DOE determined on November 4, 2009 that our initial application was complete, and we submitted the second part of the application on November 17, 2009, there is no guarantee that the DOE will approve our application in the full amount requested or at all.

    Our ability to achieve broader market acceptance for our photovoltaic systems will be impacted by a number of other factors, including:

    whether system owners will adopt our CIGS thin film technology in a cylindrical module, which is a new technology with a limited history with respect to reliability and performance;


    whether system owners will be willing to purchase photovoltaic systems with an expected 25-year lifespan from us given our limited operating history;

    the ability of prospective system owners to obtain long-term financing for our photovoltaic systems on acceptable terms or at all;

    our ability to produce photovoltaic systems that compete favorably against other photovoltaic systems on the basis of price, quality and performance;

    Most of our manufacturing equipment is customized, and either we manufacture the equipment ourselves or provide our designs to third-party equipment manufacturers. If we are unable to manufacture our equipment for the costs we have budgeted or if our manufacturing equipment fails, we could experience cost overruns, delays in our expansion plans or disruptions in production and may be unable to satisfy customer demand.

    It sounds like the government loans were just to get them out of severe debt, but then they couldn't get further funding to do anything else.

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    In other words, a textbook example of throwing good money after bad.
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    If the government is going to stimulate a sector of our economy, green energy has been a good bet.

    http://www.pewtrusts.org/news_room_detail.aspx?id=53254

    Some companies will always fail. To put it in perspective, this was 1,100 jobs out of several million. A literal drop in the bucket--a molehill being made into a mountain. This is the sort of investment we need if we want the government to create jobs.

    Deregulating environmental protections, etc., would actually cost more jobs than it saves. Who do you think builds the new coal plants or retrofits old ones? Who makes sure things are up to code? Creating energy will always have a cost associated with it, and that cost translates directly into jobs gained.

    The problem with the EPA is not really that it regulates things or whatever, it's the ridiculous amount of expertise it takes to be in compliance. European rules are written so that there are clear standards, and that if you want a build a plant, you know what the standards are. Not so in the United States where you have to make application after application, experience delay after delay.

    What the EPA does is good. It's how it goes about its business that needs a looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    If the government is going to stimulate a sector of our economy, green energy has been a good bet.

    http://www.pewtrusts.org/news_room_detail.aspx?id=53254

    Some companies will always fail. To put it in perspective, this was 1,100 jobs out of several million. A literal drop in the bucket--a molehill being made into a mountain. This is the sort of investment we need if we want the government to create jobs.

    Deregulating environmental protections, etc., would actually cost more jobs than it saves. Who do you think builds the new coal plants or retrofits old ones? Who makes sure things are up to code? Creating energy will always have a cost associated with it, and that cost translates directly into jobs gained.

    The problem with the EPA is not really that it regulates things or whatever, it's the ridiculous amount of expertise it takes to be in compliance. European rules are written so that there are clear standards, and that if you want a build a plant, you know what the standards are. Not so in the United States where you have to make application after application, experience delay after delay.

    What the EPA does is good. It's how it goes about its business that needs a looking at.
    $535 million is just a drop in the bucket? Bruce?
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