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    Sooner All-Big XII-2-1+1-1+1 Jammin''s Avatar
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    Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    the dems to agree to spending cuts to SS/Medicare/caid if the pubs will agree to tax increases.

    Thoughts? (sorry if this has been posted already)

    Obama puts Medicare, Social Security cuts on the table

    The Obama administration, in seeking $4 trillion in spending cuts in a debt limit deal, has put major changes to Social Security and Medicare on the table if Republicans agree to increased tax revenues.

    The offer caters to both sides in the debt limit negotiations and according to the Washington Post, President Obama will urge congressional leaders on Thursday to seize the opportunity to act. The compromise, however, still puts both Republicans and Democrats in tough spots.

    Democrats have vowed to protect Medicare and Social Security, while Republicans still argue that tax increases are not realistic legislative proposals. If leadership from both parties agree to the Obama’s compromise, the next move will be to sell the plan to their respective bases and to members of Congress.

    But Thursday’s meetings at the White House will reveal just how many concessions each party is willing to make.

    The president has reportedly already privately discussed his plan with Speaker of the House John Boehner. Michael Steel, spokesperson for Boehner, though, told the Washington Post “there are no tax increases on the table.”

    But House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, however, signaled Wednesday that he may be flexible on ending certain loopholes in the tax code.
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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    agreeing to tax increases would be tantamount to the pubs handing the 2012 election over to Obama

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Sounds like they are finally gettin serious. I applaud this if it happens.

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by jk the sooner fan View Post
    agreeing to tax increases would be tantamount to the pubs handing the 2012 election over to Obama
    Well Obama's already backed out of increasing taxes once, now he's talking about lessening the spending of Medicare, etc...are Republicans serious about 'negotiating' or is it just going to be about getting their way...again?

    Seems the only one giving any ground is Obama.
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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jammin' View Post
    Well Obama's already backed out of increasing taxes once, now he's talking about lessening the spending of Medicare, etc...are Republicans serious about 'negotiating' or is it just going to be about getting their way...again?

    Seems the only one giving any ground is Obama.
    that's one way to look at it.
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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jammin' View Post
    Well Obama's already backed out of increasing taxes once, now he's talking about lessening the spending of Medicare, etc...are Republicans serious about 'negotiating' or is it just going to be about getting their way...again?

    Seems the only one giving any ground is Obama.
    thats one way to look at it

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    no way


    I'd like to add
    Mr. Obama did voice opinion on some differences on the issue of whether the lowest individual tax rates should be cut from 15 percent to 10 percent and from 10 percent to 5 percent.

    As the president, he had told Kyl after the Arizonan raised objections to the notion of a tax credit for people who don't pay income taxes, Obama told Cantor this morning that "on some of these issues we're just going to have ideological differences."

    The president added, "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you."
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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    I wish there was one way to look at it

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Sometimes they promise one thing and deliver something else...

    I need specifics before I before I put my foot in my mouth...

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by jk the sooner fan View Post
    agreeing to tax increases would be tantamount to the pubs handing the 2012 election over to Obama
    So would agreeing to cut SS and Medicare benefits.
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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldebaran View Post
    And in no way would anyone be sending a rescue party
    I always knew what it was for

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    They will get it done by the deadline...

    It may end up being the largest, unreadable, most complicated, and most hated piece of legislation in US history...

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Which could mean we'd be getting somewhere... maybe...

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jammin' View Post
    Well Obama's already backed out of increasing taxes once, now he's talking about lessening the spending of Medicare, etc...are Republicans serious about 'negotiating' or is it just going to be about getting their way...again?

    Seems the only one giving any ground is Obama.
    Dems could have passed a budget some 700+ plus days ago while they enjoyed majorities in both houses yet chose to do nothing to avoid being held responsible for making a decision.

    Their only action now is to posture and demagogue.

    Sad thing is, people actually buy into that crap.

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarthog View Post
    Dems could have passed a budget some 700+ plus days ago while they enjoyed majorities in both houses yet chose to do nothing to avoid being held responsible for making a decision.

    Their only action now is to posture and demagogue.

    Sad thing is, people actually buy into that crap.
    This is a brand new practice, exclusive to the left.

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by My Opinion Matters View Post
    This is a brand new practice, exclusive to the left.
    I knew it! Sorry bastages....

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldebaran View Post
    Which could mean we'd be getting somewhere... maybe...
    hell in a handbasket?

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    They will get it done by the deadline...

    It may end up being the largest, unreadable, most complicated, and most hated piece of legislation in US history...
    You mean...besides obamacare?

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    Re: Looks like Obama is trying to get...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jammin' View Post
    Well Obama's already backed out of increasing taxes once, now he's talking about lessening the spending of Medicare, etc...are Republicans serious about 'negotiating' or is it just going to be about getting their way...again?

    Seems the only one giving any ground is Obama.
    True. But I'm hoping that what was said is actually a closer approximation of what Obama means than what is being assumed.

    Pardon in advance for the poor writing. I'm typing faster than my brain wants me to. LOL

    The possible cuts are oft-suggested and badly-needed changes like opening pharma price negotiations like the VA has available. That's a huge money-saver in and of itself. With the monopoly most companies have on certain drugs, they inflate the prices and their profits by selling the same product at widely-differing prices to different markets (like elder-care facilities vs. the VA for instance). Some people argue that there might not be a big difference if negotiations were mandatory, but this is a failing of our entire healthcare-held-hostage-for-gross-profits" system...one that no other civilized country has.

    While there's certainly nothing wrong with making a profit, health care of a nation's people isn't something that should be run as a money-making scheme. Nor is justice, basic public education, social safety providers (police, firefighting, etc.) or national defense & warfare. The fact that my Crash Crew son made $2400/m. in a combat zone doing much more than his civilian private-contractor counterpart making $100K/yr makes no moral or fiscal sense. These are no-bid contracts with companies who are not legally bound by our laws, nor do they regularly pay taxes here, or held accountable for shoddy work - or work often not done at all. Smedley Butler was right, war is a racket nowadays. The "military-industrial complex" passionately warned about by Gen Dwight Eisenhower is now a national cash cow. It shows very well how much money could be successfully cut from or redirected within the DoD budget and used more successfully for our troops our children, our elderly, disabled, our teachers, LEOs & firefighters, rebuilding infrastructure, health care...so many needed areas.


    It's not on the subject of spending, but...Closing even a few loopholes on corporations would add billions to the economy as well. Those enabling megacorporations to not only escape taxes last year, but also to receive taxpayer-funded corporate welfare subsidies need to be gone. These subsidies, which are clung to more than Mack to Vince's ***, were designed to support and encourage a fledgling, economically-struggling oil business trying to get off the ground. They are no longer needed, especially given that one recipient alone, Exxon-Mobile, rakes in almost 11 billion dollars in net profit quarterly. Businesses exist to make money, that's how people eat and pay bills, that's accepted. They should not, however, be exempt from responsible & ethical operations - not poisoning people, cleaning up after disasters, using proper equipment to prevent/minimize accidents, etc. That's why asking for less/no regulations and keeping these tax breaks, subsidies & loopholes makes most thinking people want to vomit in disgust. It's not logical, it's not morally sound and it's not economically sustainable for a society.
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