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    Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    http://www.cameron.edu/guarantee

    "The Cameron University Guarantee" is believed to be the first program of its kind offered by a public university in Oklahoma and one of the first in the nation."

    Cameron University remains committed to ensuring that only competent graduates enter the workforce. In fact, we guarantee it. Upon employment, should any graduate have deficiencies in core employment areas in his or her major field of study, Cameron University will provide additional education at no expense to the graduate or the employer.

    The guarantee is possible because of the proven quality and demonstrated committment of Cameron faculty and staff. In the 2011 Higher Learning Commission comprehensive review of Cameron University, the Commission noted that Cameron is a "role model institution in its integration of planning, budgeting, assessment, and institutional accountability." Further, the Commission stated that Cameron University has "student learning at the center of what it does and despite significant statewide budget cuts, the institution was able to redesign itself to meet changing student needs."

    Cameron is proud of its graduates and confident in their skills and competence. This guarantee is an assurance of that confidence. In addition, Cameron is committed to transparency to the public. Please refer to the section entitled "Transparency" on the right of this site for access to review the university's budget and retention and graduation rates. In addition, no later than January 2012, the curriculum vitae for all Cameron faculty as well as course descriptions with learning outcomes for all CU courses will be available for search and review.

    The student must have graduated from Cameron University in Spring 2012 or later.
    The student must have completed all of his or her course work at Cameron University and graduated with a baccalaureate degree within five years of his/her initial enrollment.
    The graduate must be employed in the state of Oklahoma.
    The identified deficiency area(s) must be in the graduate’s major field of study and be confined to entry-level competencies expected of a new college graduate.
    The employer must identify and report the deficiency area(s) to the Cameron University Office of Career Services within the first six months of the graduate’s initial employment.

    Honoring "The Cameron University Guarantee"

    Upon receiving notification of a deficiency, Cameron University faculty will develop an individualized plan to remediate the deficiency area(s). The plan will include the required learning outcomes and will be implemented and completed within one year.
    Assistance may be provided to the graduate through distance learning technology or other arrangements mutually agreed upon by the university, the graduate and the employer.
    It is understood that any required remediation is a three-way partnership among the graduate, Cameron University, and the employer and that all must operate in good faith to remediate any deficiency.

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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    That'll be easy to do since the spring graduating classes have about 25 kids in them.

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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    I thought they were going to guarantee to actually teach you....now that would be something new

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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    i can't speak to Cameron, but it IS interesting to teach material to people who have no previous knowledge of it...but, still somehow know all of it already.

    and have a cutting perspective on why learning or reading a book is BS and a waste of time...unless it conforms to what they already believe.
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    I took Chem I, Chem II, Physics I, Trig, and a few other courses at Cameron and had wonderful instructors in the early 90s.
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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    Quote Originally Posted by OUmillenium View Post
    I took Chem I, Chem II, Physics I, Trig, and a few other courses at Cameron and had wonderful instructors in the early 90s.
    i'm sure that's true. and i applaud those people. but when "knowledge" or "learning" become justified by their ability to be commodified we are through the looking glass.

    it's a consumer model, not and educational one.
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    I got my first 60 hours of credits at Cameron when I was stationed at Ft Sill in the late 80's - at the time, i thought highly of the place for what they were doing - not sure how it is now - but I doubt its changed much

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    The student must have completed all of his or her course work at Cameron University and graduated with a baccalaureate degree within five years of his/her initial enrollment.
    How many people actually accomplish this, especially those who (like me) had to work full time while in college? Seems like that requirement would render a lot of students ineligible for this program.

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    In High School, we referred to it as UCLA:

    University of Cameron, Lawton Area

    I cant really speak to the quality of the education, I just watched HS Football games there in the 90s, but I always felt sad for my friends who ended up going there instead of to a big school...it's the ultimate safety school for Lawton kids for sure.

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    That probably sounds pompus, and I dont hate on any one with a degree from Cameron. A degree is a degree and I support all higher education...I should note that in 1996 getting into OU was not hard...if you were an instate resident I think you just had to get a 21 on the ACT.

    I got much higher than that and got a great scholarship...but more so, I got out of Lawton and got to experience the FULL College life..I think you miss a lot staying home and just driving over to Cameron.

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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    This reminded me of an article I saw recently:

    America’s Ten Worst Colleges For Your Money


    #8) Cameron University
    Cameron, a school in Oklahoma, doesn’t do well by its fellow Okies: in-state costs about $72,760, only a 5.7% return. Just for contrast, the University of Oklahoma will run you $87,530…and nearly double your return, at 10.7%. Not from Oklahoma? Expect to pay $98,830, and only earn 5.2% on it.

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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    I guess 15,000 is 15,000 but i expected Cameron to be way less than that.

    Has tuition etc doubled since 2000?

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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    Cameron seems to push the "criminal justice" major pretty heavily. Prison guard and law enforcement careers are not high paying.

    I think education is largely what you put into it - no one can spoon feed knowledge and critical thinking skills into your brain. However if you set low standards most students will gladly slide by. I can't imagine how poorly you would have to do in high school to be denied entry into Cameron. That makes it akin to a community college to me (which is probably Cameron’s purpose).

    I know several Cameron grads that took education seriously and went on to grad school or law school at OU. On the other hand I've met and interviewed others who would have flunked out of Norman High School (my alma mater).
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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    Sooner grads take note, the fine print on OUr degrees reads "If this were chocolate, you could eat it."

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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    Quote Originally Posted by King Crimson View Post

    it's a consumer model, not and educational one.
    pretty convincing, huh?
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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    Quote Originally Posted by King Crimson View Post
    pretty convincing, huh?
    I gave you positive spek for that! well done.
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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lawton4Life View Post
    In High School, we referred to it as UCLA:

    University of Cameron, Lawton Area

    I cant really speak to the quality of the education, I just watched HS Football games there in the 90s, but I always felt sad for my friends who ended up going there instead of to a big school...it's the ultimate safety school for Lawton kids for sure.
    Get off your high horse...

    No need to feel sorry for me since I attended University Cameron Lawton Area...my parents wanted me to go to OU and had the money to pay my way...big sis went to OU on pops penny...but I had a great full time job so I elected to stay and work full time and pay for my own education...

    I only attended two years at Cameron and then at age 21 transferred as a grocery store co manager in a new store in Hereford, Tx...a year later I was store manager and pulled in 35k (1975) ,including bonus, for increased sales...at that point I started classes at WT in Canyon...

    Of the 72 hours (18 per semester while working full time) I only had one class that had a crappy prof...one semester at 4.0 with an average around 3.5 for the two years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Kitten View Post
    How many people actually accomplish this, especially those who (like me) had to work full time while in college? Seems like that requirement would render a lot of students ineligible for this program.
    I worked full time night shift...got off at 7 and started class at 7:30...carried 18 hours per semester...I was young and full of **** and vinegar...it was easy...my nights off I studied all night long....

    Just depends on your priority...I do understand that my junior and senior years would have been more difficult while working full time...that is why I enrolled in 18 credit hours per semester the first two years...

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    Oh, and it was $13 a credit hour in 1972...

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    Re: Cameron U guarantees their grads...

    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Get off your high horse...

    No need to feel sorry for me since I attended University Cameron Lawton Area...my parents wanted me to go to OU and had the money to pay my way...big sis went to OU on pops penny...but I had a great full time job so I elected to stay and work full time and pay for my own education...

    I only attended two years at Cameron and then at age 21 transferred as a grocery store co manager in a new store in Hereford, Tx...a year later I was store manager and pulled in 35k (1975) ,including bonus, for increased sales...at that point I started classes at WT in Canyon...

    Of the 72 hours (18 per semester while working full time) I only had one class that had a crappy prof...one semester at 4.0 with an average around 3.5 for the two years...
    I got off my high horse on the very next post Didnt want to pompus and I added to my thought. I'm sure Cameron was different in 1975 vs 1996 as well.

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