this is the biggest danger to America:
http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/13/news....htm?hpt=hp_t2
this is the biggest danger to America:
http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/13/news....htm?hpt=hp_t2
there are a few problems here
1) they will give out loans like they are candy. no questions asked. well, almost, anyway.
2) with people getting degrees like history, communications, or art. what do you do that can possibly make you enough money to easily pay like back like $60k+ in loans?
even at OU, which is pretty cheap compared to lots of places, i can see how you could easily screw yourself financially for a long time, and that's assuming you actually get your degree. some places $60k might be for one year.
with the government backing making it just about risk free to give out loans, it's easy to just cut funding to schools and let them raise tuition every year and continue to bloat out
i'm sure the education bubble is coming up next.
this is brilliant, really. get your degree, then go back homeOriginally Posted by SoCaliSooner
What is going on with tuition, especially at the smaller liberal arts colleges is criminal. We just shot a vid for Hamilton and Franklin & Marshall. Both of those schools cost the better part of $50K a year. Ridonkulous.
SoonerinabileneOh sweet jesus. Its like watching the special olympics in high definition on here now.
my last year at OU was about $8k ('10-'11)
my first year was about $2k ('94-'95)
It is all about the overall plan to kill the middle class.
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I'm pretty sure my frosh year, the lower div courses were around 30 bucks an hour!
They were around a hondo when I left.
Van Horne and Horton really ****ed up OU.
SoonerinabileneOh sweet jesus. Its like watching the special olympics in high definition on here now.
I think this is a massive problem. They give them out like candy because they aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy. That's a big risk that is wiped away, and it makes them give money much more freely.
That, plus (and I know this is grad school...) but take OCU law for instance. If you go straight loans for 3 years, you're going to end up about $140k+ in debt, and that doesn't cover your summers. What if you don't get a top-notch job? You're going to be saddled with debt for the rest of your life.
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"I searched through rebellion, drugs, diets, mysticism, religions, intellectualism and much more, only to begin to find that truth is basically simple - and feels good, clean and right"
- Chick Corea
How many of you actually got your Degrees in 4 years or less?
not me but I'd like to thank the Oklahoma taxpayer for picking up my tab.
Conway Twitty got more ***** by accident than regular guys get on purpose
Technically it took me five years, but I wasn't on campus after 4.5.
Olevet Posse Bail Bondsman
"I searched through rebellion, drugs, diets, mysticism, religions, intellectualism and much more, only to begin to find that truth is basically simple - and feels good, clean and right"
- Chick Corea
I think that's what pissed me off. Once you get enrolled there was no possible way to complete a degree within the 4 years and many classes you needed were reserved for other students in some cases and the Schools could care less.
should have been a physics major. we didn't have these problems.
graduating in 4 years would have been tough just from all the classes i had to take, but everything would need to go pretty perfect to do it, and that assumes you don't change majors or anything
or course, one of the guys in my last physics classes was taking 30 hours that semester. i have no idea what sort of pace he was on, he was kinda touched though.
It's kind of nice hearing less old farts be all like "You should just work your way through college with a summer job like I did 50 years ago" because it's becoming common knowledge how that just isn't gonna cut it anymore.
But I feel bad for current students. Tuition just is never gonna come down once it gets raised, it seems.
not until people stop showing up
Ja, students have a funny way of showing how unaffordable college is --- by enrolling in crazy-high numbers to the point that, like someone already mentioned, there isn't room in the classes you need to take
It's because everyone can afford debt. If you made student loans illegal then 80% of colleges would be empty.
I paid around 13 per hour at Cameron in the early 70's...I don't think I ever had a semester that cost over $500 for tuition, books, and fees...It's kind of nice hearing less old farts be all like "You should just work your way through college with a summer job like I did 50 years ago" because it's becoming common knowledge how that just isn't gonna cut it anymore.
I was probably making $5 an hour at the old grocery store...
OU has a few tricks up their sleeve that other colleges are using as well. Most notorious are the high fees. Tuition? Lowest in the Big 12 (unless OSU is)! Fees? D'oh!
OU also (I think) requires freshmen to live on campus unless they get an exemption to live at home with family. That way, they have to pay for meal plans and student housing to the university. Oklahoma's Promise, OHLAP, Oklhaoma Higher Learning Access Plan, free-tuition-for-poor-families-that-meet-grade-requiresment, whatever you want to call it, I am pretty sure that does not cover room and board, just the tuition and fees.
Books! Books, omg. Many are now doing printout packets from local copy shops, that you can doodle all over, because there's no returning them for buyback time. My final semester's worth of books was at least $500. Why in the eff do they include CD's, DVD's and attachable workbook that the professor doesn't use?! Oh sh!t, I folded the cover. Well, there goes half the book's value, for a total buyback of... $1. One dollar, are you sh!tting me. I paid $20 for this book, and you are going to resell it for at least $15. A dollar. ****.
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