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    Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Good decision and a common sense one. Of course, the Obama administration opposed it.

    This is seperate law from the police asking immigration status when a person is stopped, but some of the arguments are the same. The States can have a role in enforcing immigration matters.

    The Supreme Court has backed an Arizona law that punishes businesses hiring illegal immigrants, a law that opponents, including the Obama administration, say steps on traditional federal oversight over immigration matters.

    The 5-3 ruling Thursday is a victory for supporters of immigration reform on the state level.

    It was the first high court challenge to a variety of recent state laws cracking down on illegal immigrants, an issue that has become a political lightning rod.

    The outcome could serve as a judicial warm-up for a separate high-profile challenge to a more controversial Arizona immigration reform law working its way through lower courts. That statute would, among other things, give local police a greater role in arresting suspected illegal immigrants.

    The hiring case turned on whether state law tramples on federal authority.

    "Arizona has taken the route least likely to cause tension with federal law," wrote Chief Justice John Roberts. "It relies solely on the federal government's own determination of who is an unauthorized alien, and it requires Arizona employers to use the federal government's own system for checking employee status."

    Arizona passed the Legal Arizona Workers Act in 2007, allowing the state to suspend the licenses of businesses that "intentionally or knowingly" violate work-eligibility verification requirements. Companies would be required under that law to use E-Verify, a federal database to check the documentation of current and prospective employees. That database had been created by Congress as a voluntary, discretionary resource.

    The U.S. Chamber of Commerce filed a lawsuit against the state, arguing federal law prohibits Arizona and other states from making E-Verify use mandatory. The group was supported by a variety of civil rights and immigration rights groups. The state countered that its broad licensing authority gives it the right to monitor businesses within its jurisdiction.

    The Obama administration recommended a judicial review, and sided with businesses and civil rights groups.

    A 1986 federal act significantly limited state power to separately regulate the hiring and employment of "unauthorized" workers. An exception was made for local "licensing and similar laws." Under the law, employees are required to review documentation to confirm someone's right to work in the United States, including checking the familiar I-9 immigration form. Civil and criminal penalties were strengthened, but businesses making a "good faith" effort to comply with I-9 procedures were generally immune from prosecution.

    Roberts, backed by his four conservative colleagues, said "Arizona went the extra mile in ensuring that its law tracks (the federal law's) provisions in all material aspects."

    In dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor noted E-Verify is a voluntary program, and said criticism that the federal government is not doing enough to enforce the law is irrelevant.

    "Permitting states to make use of E-Verify mandatory improperly puts states in the position of making decisions ... that directly affect expenditure and depletion of federal resources," she wrote. Justices Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg also dissented.

    Justice Elena Kagan did not participate in the case, since she had been the administration's solicitor general last year when the case was being appealed to the high court.

    Gov. Jan Brewer had backed the law, telling CNN in December when the case was argued, "The bottom line is that we believe that if the (federal) government isn't going to do the job then Arizona is going to do the job. We are faced with a crisis."

    This case could serve as a bellwether to how the court will view a larger, more controversial state immigration law from Arizona. Much of that statute was tossed out by a federal judge in August and is currently pending at a federal appeals court. It would, among other things, give police authority to check a person's immigration status if officers have a "reasonable suspicion" that the individual is in the country illegally.

    The hiring case is Chamber of Commerce v. Whiting (09-115).

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Obama was fighting hard against it in order to maintain that "delicate balance" that congress has fashioned over the years through non enforcement of our laws.

    I'm sure many dems on capitol hill are glum today...the same dems that gave that scumbag Calderon a standing ovation as he blasted AZ for its laws with our wonderful president at his side.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Obama was fighting hard against it in order to maintain that "delicate balance" that congress has fashioned over the years through non enforcement of our laws.

    I'm sure many dems on capitol hill are glum today...the same dems that gave that scumbag Calderon a standing ovation as he blasted AZ for its laws with our wonderful president at his side.



    Sapp, I agree with you. The SC held up the part of the law that punishes employers. Punishing employers (jail time and huge fines) is the only way to stop the problem of illegal immigration. It certainly makes more sense than building a damn fence.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Obama was fighting hard against it in order to maintain that "delicate balance" that congress has fashioned over the years through non enforcement of our laws.

    I'm sure many dems on capitol hill are glum today...the same dems that gave that scumbag Calderon a standing ovation as he blasted AZ for its laws with our wonderful president at his side.
    Where have you been Okie? Good to see you on here.

    I'm sure Obama's next step will be to stop the E-Verify system in some fashion...

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    I'm generally opposed to whatever Jan Brewer agrees with, but I don't mind this law.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by sappstuf View Post
    Where have you been Okie? Good to see you on here.

    I'm sure Obama's next step will be to stop the E-Verify system in some fashion...



    Nope. Obama is a huge proponent of E-Verify. Obama has always believed that the best way to stop illegal immigration is to punish the employers. I think Arizona is too lenient on them. I would like to see a mandatory 5 year prison term and a minimum $100,000.00 fine per illegal employee. This would be levied on the CEO and or President of the company, and not some poor schmuck manager.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by sappstuf View Post
    Where have you been Okie? Good to see you on here.

    I'm sure Obama's next step will be to stop the E-Verify system in some fashion...
    Just doing a lot of work....the oil patch is very busy right now. How are you doing Sapp?

    I'm sure Obama will do the minimum he thinks he can get by with on this law.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by The Profit View Post
    Sapp, I agree with you. The SC held up the part of the law that punishes employers. Punishing employers (jail time and huge fines) is the only way to stop the problem of illegal immigration. It certainly makes more sense than building a damn fence.
    Sapp??? I know you support punishing the employers and I agree. They are going to have to standardize employment hiring practices (like e verify) so that employers know what they must do to be compliant.

    Still have to have border security....whether that is with landmines, drones or catapults. Main message to get across to illegals is "you're not wanted here".

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by The Profit View Post
    Nope. Obama is a huge proponent of E-Verify. Obama has always believed that the best way to stop illegal immigration is to punish the employers. I think Arizona is too lenient on them. I would like to see a mandatory 5 year prison term and a minimum $100,000.00 fine per illegal employee. This would be levied on the CEO and or President of the company, and not some poor schmuck manager.
    Yeah, that's why he fought this law and was going to offer illegals driver licenses and a pathway to citizenship. Can't get much tougher than that.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Yeah, that's why he fought this law and was going to offer illegals driver licenses and a pathway to citizenship. Can't get much tougher than that.


    The portion of the law that was upheld by the court deals with employers. He has always supported this. The court has not issued an opinion on the other parts of the law.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by The Profit View Post
    The portion of the law that was upheld by the court deals with employers. He has always supported this. The court has not issued an opinion on the other parts of the law.
    Separate law done in 2007...not connected with the AZ illegal immigration law passed in april, 2010. Obama challenged both laws.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Obama Asks Supreme Court To Ax Ariz. Employer Sanction Lawjudicial watch ^ | Tue, 06/01/2010 - 11:11am

    Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 5:16:34 PM by Bad~Rodeo

    The Obama Administration has asked the Supreme Court to prohibit Arizona from enforcing a two-year-old measure—signed into law by former Governor Janet Napolitano—punishing businesses that hire illegal immigrants.


    Ironically, President Obama’s Homeland Security Secretary ardently supported the law when she signed it in 2007 though she refuses to comment on her boss’s campaign to eliminate it. Considered the nation’s toughest measure against businesses that hire illegal aliens, the Legal Arizona Workers Act requires employers to verify that employees are authorized to work in the U.S. Those caught hiring illegal workers are severely punished and can have their license revoked.


    Legally challenged by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups, the law has been repeatedly upheld by lower courts. Last week the Obama Administration urged the Supreme Court to toss out those rulings by preventing Arizona from enforcing the measure because federal immigration law expressly preempts any state law imposing sanctions on employers hiring illegal immigrants.


    The Arizona law disrupts "a careful balance that Congress struck nearly 25 years ago between two interests of the highest importance: ensuring that employers do not undermine enforcement of immigration laws by hiring unauthorized workers, while also ensuring that employers not discriminate against racial and ethnic minorities legally in the country," according to a brief filed by the administration.
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    Hardly the Obama that wants to punish employers....but he is good friends with Calderon.

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by The Profit View Post
    Sapp, I agree with you. The SC held up the part of the law that punishes employers. Punishing employers (jail time and huge fines) is the only way to stop the problem of illegal immigration. It certainly makes more sense than building a damn fence.
    How will they audit those businesses for compliance...currently we audit approximately 1/2 of 1%...

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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    How will they audit those businesses for compliance...currently we audit approximately 1/2 of 1%...



    However they choose to do it, it will be better than trying to build a damn fence and then expecting it to work. Use to IRS to audit the businesses.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by The Profit View Post
    However they choose to do it, it will be better than trying to build a damn fence and then expecting it to work. Use to IRS to audit the businesses.
    You want to use the IRS for Border Security? Really?
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner_Tuf View Post
    You want to use the IRS for Border Security? Really?



    No. I want to use the IRS to make certain that corrupt employers do not attempt to hire cheap illegal workers.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by The Profit View Post
    No. I want to use the IRS to make certain that corrupt employers do not attempt to hire cheap illegal workers.
    Attempt? I see. What part of the IRS is that you think is suited to stop people from attempting to hire illegal workers.

    If you want to stop them coming here illegally just make it illegal for them to own property here and seize everything they have. If there is no benefit for coming here they will not come. Take their money, their cars, their real estate, whatever.

    That still doesn't address border security, drug smuggling, etc. But its a start.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner_Tuf View Post
    Attempt? I see. What part of the IRS is that you think is suited to stop people from attempting to hire illegal workers.

    If you want to stop them coming here illegally just make it illegal for them to own property here and seize everything they have. If there is no benefit for coming here they will not come. Take their money, their cars, their real estate, whatever.

    That still doesn't address border security, drug smuggling, etc. But its a start.




    No, it must start with their ability to make money. Do away with that and you do away with the problem. It is really very simple. No more alien farm workers, no more alien roofers, lawn workers, builders, etc. Just give the jobs to American workers. Sure, prices will go up, but we can live with that.
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    Re: Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses

    How about we start easy?

    Obligation: verify that the name, ID and SSN match when someone applies for a job. Check it through E-Verify. Do that and you're golden. Seems like a very minor inconvenience for the employer.

    Couple that with serious financial and jailtime penalties for Sr. management and/or owners. Allow defense for wilfull actions of HR groups, etc. (so you can't get your boss thrown in the pokie by hiring Jose without running the check).

    See how that goes for a year or two.

    My guess is that it would work pretty damn well. And, without jobs, no illegals will want to live here.
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