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    How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    I've never seen an article put all of this information together. For those that don't know how corn and rice came to make up nearly half of a a Standard American Lager, this spells it out. I'm not sure every claim made in this article is rock solid, but it is pretty informative.
    http://extolbeer.wordpress.com/2010/...and-evolution/
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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    Bumpitty. You should know how you ended up drinking this swill.
    "Once a country boy's seen the way the steam rises off a man's insides on the sidewalk Tends to change the way he thinks, the way he sees everything when he goes back to where he came from."

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    Good info. Thanks!
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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    I give you the champagne of beers. Wtf ever that is supposed to mean.

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    you been on a binge lately?

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    Quote Originally Posted by delhalew View Post
    I give you the champagne of beers. Wtf ever that is supposed to mean.

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Beanbag View Post
    Thank you, Harry. We can't forget the PBR.
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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    High Life is a great summer beer. I lub it.
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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    Quote Originally Posted by OutlandTrophy View Post
    High Life is a great summer beer. I lub it.
    Fair enough. Did you read the article. I've drank an ocean of all of this crap. Now that I know why, I feel robbed.
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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    ohh PBR.. first 30 pack I ever bought...

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    Let's roll up our sleeves and get serious.
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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    no dude... I have more respect for myself than to drink MB... Keystone and Busch on the other hand...

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager




    I remember seeing this stuff at the grocery store about 20 years ago, never tried it.

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    Most of your Mexican beers are this same crappy style. Negra Modelo and Bohemia would be a couple of exceptions of course.

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    Quote Originally Posted by Peach Fuzz View Post
    no dude... I have more respect for myself than to drink MB... Keystone and Busch on the other hand...
    There is no difference.
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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    its commodity beer, Land O' Lakes

    oh but there is, I don't know what it is but my mind says NO to MB

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    BTW, Schlitz makes the best brats.

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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

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    I remember seeing this stuff at the grocery store about 20 years ago, never tried it.
    it would be about the same as any other Standard American Lager.
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    Re: How the true Pilsner spawned the inferior American Lager

    Quote Originally Posted by delhalew View Post
    I've never seen an article put all of this information together. For those that don't know how corn and rice came to make up nearly half of a a Standard American Lager, this spells it out. I'm not sure every claim made in this article is rock solid, but it is pretty informative.
    http://extolbeer.wordpress.com/2010/...and-evolution/
    I liked the article but it leaves out some point I think are important. For one, before the pilsner infusion into the American market in the 1800s, America had a long tradition of Ales. Pilsners, the advent of clear glass becoming common (so that you could admire the clear beverage), and the advent of technology to help keep beer cold (better for pilsners than ales) really put the hurt on the original ale beer making in America. Ale makers tried to mimic pilsners with cream ales but even that style didn't survive.

    The second point is something the article doesn't make clear enough. The original pilsners made in America were made with quality in mind. They didn't have the best kind of barley available which made for a cloudy beer if used at 100%. The use of 20%-30% Rice or Corn diluted the effect enough that the beer looked clear. They still had the hop presence that was common in European lagers. American pilsners of the late 1800s was actually highly regarded.

    Modern American lagers use more like 40% of more of Rice, Corn, or sugar, not for the purpose of making the beer clear but for the purpose of making a drier, thinner beer AND they use less total fermentables so that there is less body and less flavor. They also have cut back on the hops to the point that the presence from the hops barely exist. The point of all this is to make a cheap beer that can be consumed easily and quickly... which means you buy more for a session.

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