people need to quit talking about the last 10 years

[lasooner123]

and start talking about the last 5. i think everyone in their right mind thinks stoops did an amzing job at the beginning but lets look at the last 5.

05 8-4
41-24 at ucla 45-12 against tx 23-21at tt and loss vs tcu
06 11-3
34-33 loss at oregon(cheated) 28-10 vs tx boise game
07 11-3
27-24 at colo 34-27 at tech 48-28 wvu
08 12-2
45-35 tx 24-14 florida
09 8-5
14-3 neutral byu 21-20 at miami 16-14 vs tx 10-3 at neb 41-13 at tech



hmm now lets look at some common trends.
1) 2-3 road losses/yr
2)we lose neutral site vs good teams(byu)
3) tx wins 4 of last 5
4) we struggle in bowl games especially the elite bowl games
5) recently weve see our offense get worse
6) we give up quite a few pts nowadays vs good teams..4 games givin over 40 in losses.


makes you wonder if we need to make some changes. 2 options.
1)stoops makes a decision to change his ways and fire someone
2)stoops leaves
over the last 5 yrs our team has obviously become stale and our coaches have lost their edge. stoops doesnt seem to have teh same pasion for winning but he still berates players for the tiniest mistakes. Many times our players seem to play nervous and not wanting to make a mistake. this is the same thing i see from our coaches. playing not to lose opposed to playing to win.
I see these other teams that play so hard and playing to win. Theyre not playing wreckless but are playing with so much energy and blitzing and pressuring the other team. it makes me wonder why we cant do the same.

[toast]

I agree...let's talk about the mid to late 90's instead.

[StoopTroup]

ESPN Classics will replay the oSu v whorns game from 11/03/07 Friday the 12th from 12pm to 2 pm That's the 38-35 poke choker at boones farm.

[SoonerKnight]

and start talking about the last 5. i think everyone in their right mind thinks stoops did an amzing job at the beginning but lets look at the last 5.

05 8-4
41-24 at ucla 45-12 against tx 23-21at tt and loss vs tcu
06 11-3
34-33 loss at oregon(cheated) 28-10 vs tx boise game
07 11-3
27-24 at colo 34-27 at tech 48-28 wvu
08 12-2
45-35 tx 24-14 florida
09 8-5
14-3 neutral byu 21-20 at miami 16-14 vs tx 10-3 at neb 41-13 at tech



hmm now lets look at some common trends.
1) 2-3 road losses/yr
2)we lose neutral site vs good teams(byu)
3) tx wins 4 of last 5 they have won 3 of the last 5 *******!!!
4) we struggle in bowl games especially the elite bowl games Going to the MNC 4 times kiss my as*!!
5) recently weve see our offense get worse
6) we give up quite a few pts nowadays vs good teams..4 games givin over 40 in losses.


makes you wonder if we need to make some changes. 2 options.
1)stoops makes a decision to change his ways and fire someone
2)stoops leaves
over the last 5 yrs our team has obviously become stale and our coaches have lost their edge. stoops doesnt seem to have teh same pasion for winning but he still berates players for the tiniest mistakes. Many times our players seem to play nervous and not wanting to make a mistake. this is the same thing i see from our coaches. playing not to lose opposed to playing to win.
I see these other teams that play so hard and playing to win. Theyre not playing wreckless but are playing with so much energy and blitzing and pressuring the other team. it makes me wonder why we cant do the same.

Go away!! 35 posts!! Go to Bolivia!!!

[proudsoonergal]

You're right. Stoops is horrible.

On a related note, I hear John Blake is available!!!! Let's bring him back!!!!

[SouthFortySooner]

My girlfriend's cat left some puke on the treadmill. This thread reminded me of it.

[Leroy Lizard]

Hey, if you've only followed OU football since 2000, then Stoops' last five years do look pretty crummy.

[PLaw]

and start talking about the last 5. i think everyone in their right mind thinks stoops did an amzing job at the beginning but lets look at the last 5.

05 8-4
41-24 at ucla 45-12 against tx 23-21at tt and loss vs tcu
06 11-3
34-33 loss at oregon(cheated) 28-10 vs tx boise game
07 11-3
27-24 at colo 34-27 at tech 48-28 wvu
08 12-2
45-35 tx 24-14 florida
09 8-5
14-3 neutral byu 21-20 at miami 16-14 vs tx 10-3 at neb 41-13 at tech

Yep, an average of ten wins a year really sucks. As Barry said, "some folks are start life on third base and they think they hit a triple." You, sir, don't know how good you have it.

Against the Aggies, it was a total melt down coaches and players. Coaches put kids in the right place to make a play and the kids don't. Coaches have some hair brain calls that make them look stupid.

If not Bob, then who?? Really, who else would you want running this program? When it comes to character and integrity and kids getting degrees, I'll take Bob every day. Bob is doing it right, period.

BOOMER

[lasooner123]

im not saying fire stoops. im saying we need to make changes in our staff. that doesnt necesarilly mean stoops.

[lasooner123]

Go away!! 35 posts!! Go to Bolivia!!!

sorry i wasnt considering this yr as you can see in my post. i said we have struggled in bigtime bowls...not saying we dont make bigtime bowls

[fadada1]

I agree...let's talk about the mid to late 90's instead.

them's fightin' words.

[StanberryWasIn]

I agree...let's talk about the mid to late 90's instead.

First point I thought of. I remember in the 97-98 timeframe watching OU games and thinking I'd be pretty satisfied if we just didn't go out there and step on our d*cks every week.

[toast]

First point I thought of. I remember in the 97-98 timeframe watching OU games and thinking I'd be pretty satisfied if we just didn't go out there and step on our d*cks every week.

I remember the placemat on the sidelines so that we could get the correct number of players on the field.

[Iam4OUru]

Hey, if you've only followed OU football since 2000, then Stoops' last five years do look pretty crummy.

Amen!

[delhalew]

You must have just discovered the oblong spheroid.

While I agree this goober should reside in Bolivia, I do hope Bob will eventually get pissed enough to light some fires under some Asses.

If that was OP's point...I suggest you find a better way of making it.

[SouthFortySooner]

im not saying fire stoops. im saying we need to make changes in our staff. that doesnt necesarilly mean stoops.

My sincerest question to you is, who is listening?

[OUthunder]

We need a pic of hand on forehead in this thread.

[olevetonahill]

We need a pic of hand on forehead in this thread.

Here ya go

[StoopTroup]

What about a hand grenade in a forehead?

[bluedogok]

I still think it is a "be careful what you wish for thing" and drastic coaching changes from a good staff tends to make things worse. Until Stoops has pressure to make changes from the big money donors he is not going to much like what precipitated Mack "retiring" Carl Reese as Defensive Coordinator. I think a change could be a good thing but I don't see it happening, at times both Bob and Mack may be "too loyal" to their assistants and resistant to change. I think the only way the assistants go is if Bob goes.

Getting rid of good staffs for what looks better seems to backfire. Look at what firing Solich, Slocum, Gibbs and others who consistently had pretty good teams led to, typically a period of decline.

OU
1998 - Blake - 5-6
1997 - Blake - 4-8
1996 - Blake - 3-8
1995 - Schnellenberger - 5-5-1

Those four years after getting rid of Gibbs the record was 17-27-1 (37.8%) as opposed to the 44-23-2 record of Gibbs (65.2%). Frank Solich had a record of 58–19 (75.3%) his replacement went 27-22 (55.1%, Bill Callahan, 2004–2007). RC Slocum was 123-47-2 (71.5%) and his replacement went 32–28 (53.3%, Dennis Franchione, 2003-07). Lloyd Carr went 122–40 (75.3%) and RichRod has gone 14-19 (42.4%) since.

I am just a bit wary of calling for someones job when for the most part history shows that the changes tend not to get the results you want.