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    DENVER – Moms got tougher drunk-driving laws on the books and were directly responsible for passing and then repealing alcohol Prohibition. Now marijuana activists are trying to enlist the nation's mothers in legalization efforts with a sales pitch that pot is safer than booze.

    The nation's largest marijuana legalization lobby recently started a women's group. The Moms4Marijuana website draws thousands. And just in time for Mother's Day, a pot legalization group in Denver has created a pink-carnation web card asking moms to support legalization.

    These marijuana moms argue that pot is no worse than alcohol, that teens shouldn't face jail time for experimenting with it and that marijuana can even help new mothers treat postpartum depression.

    "I know so many mothers who support this but aren't willing to come out and say it," said Sabrina Fendrick, head of the Women's Alliance at the Washington-based National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, or NORML.

    Marijuana activists say they need more moms to publicly back pot use if they are to succeed with public officials.

    "The mother is the first teacher, who you turn to for direction in life," said Serra Frank, a 27-year-old mother of two in Boise, Idaho, who founded Moms4Marijuana in 2005. It has no formal membership, but Frank says its website has had more than 12,000 visitors.

    Pot activists say both genders sometimes find it easier to attend protests or lobby lawmakers about pot than to tell their mothers they smoke weed. So legalization groups hope that if moms, arguably the nation's most powerful lobby, get on board with making pot legal, laws will change in a hurry.
    "All the things moms get behind, people listen," said Diane Irwin, 48, a medical marijuana grower in southern Colorado who also is a mother of two.
    There's still a marijuana gender gap. According to an Associated Press-CNBC poll released last month, women opposed legalization in greater numbers than men. Just under half — 48 percent — of male poll respondents opposed legalization to 63 percent of women.

    "We have enough problems with alcohol. I feel if we legalized it, it would make people say it's OK," said 37-year-old mother Amanda Leonard of St. Augustine. Fla., one of the poll respondents.

    Trying to soften moms up a bit, Denver-based Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation, or SAFER, is asking members to "come out" about their pot use this Mother's Day and argue that pot is safer than booze. The group says it has about 20,000 members nationwide.

    SAFER's online Mother's Day card has a typical start — "Thank you for raising me to be thoughtful and compassionate" — then transitions to: "I want to share some news that might surprise you, but should not upset you: I believe marijuana should be legal."

    For $10, card senders can add a book for their moms titled "Marijuana is Safer." The book, published last year, argues that marijuana is healthier than booze. SAFER says several thousand copies have been sold, and group members handed out free copies as Mother's Day gifts to Colorado's 37 female lawmakers last week.

    There's no good national count of how many mothers use pot, but anecdotal evidence suggests plenty do. Moms from Florida to Washington are facing criminal charges for using marijuana or supplying it to their children.
    In February, 51-year-old Alaska mom Jane C. Cain was arrested along with her 29-year-old son for allegedly growing pot in the house. The Wasilla woman says she initially feared reprisals from neighbors and didn't answer the door.
    "But it turned out people were just coming by to bring homemade food, casseroles and cakes and such," Cain said with a laugh. Her case is still pending, but Cain says that even conservative neighbors say she's not wrong to use marijuana for her frequent migraines, though medical marijuana isn't legal in Alaska.

    "Now I go wherever I want and hold my head up high," Cain said. "Five or 10 years from now, people who oppose marijuana will be considered old-fashioned. It's a benign substance, so why shouldn't we have it?"
    Irwin, the Colorado medical pot grower, said mothers who use marijuana face a stigma men don't. Irwin says she secretly used marijuana while pregnant to fight morning sickness and after giving birth to battle postpartum depression. Since she started growing pot, Irwin said she's run into many moms who admit to using the drug. She argues that even children could benefit from marijuana use, though Irwin never gave either of her kids pot nor smoked it in front of them.

    In fact, she remembers flushing her son's pot down the toilet when he was a teen. But last year, after her now-grown son started a Denver marijuana dispensary, Irwin sold her hair salon, bought a greenhouse and started raising pot for him.

    "I look at the kids now who are so medicated, on Ritalin and all the rest, and I'm wondering why we don't explore what's natural, and that's marijuana," said Irwin, who is moving to Denver to work full-time at her older son's dispensary.
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    Marijuana activists say they need more moms to publicly back pot use if they are to succeed with public officials.
    Sounds reasonable. I'm not a mom, but I support pot legalization 100%. There isn't an iota of difference between alcohol and pot as to why the former is legal and the latter isn't. I say legalize it and tax the ever lovin' crap out of it. I don't care if they designate all the pot tax revenue to public instruction, thus, "Legalize pot now....for the children!"
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    "i wish they would hurry up and legalize pot, just so hippies would never have anything to whine about again. god, they are so annoying. you dont really see me take a stand like this, but i do with a force. grow up and do coke like an adult."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey View Post
    Sounds reasonable. I'm not a mom, but I support pot legalization 100%. There isn't an iota of difference between alcohol and pot as to why the former is legal and the latter isn't. I say legalize it and tax the ever lovin' crap out of it. I don't care if they designate all the pot tax revenue to public instruction, thus, "Legalize pot now....for the children!"

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    I'm working for legalization here in Nevada and I really have to say, these women are thinking right. I can't think of anyone who needs the extra patience pot provides than the poor women putting up with our cretin kids these days!
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    The Moms4Marijuana website draws thousands
    Nice name.

    So, you want to open a pre-school. Oh, I see you were a former volunteer for Moms4Marijuana. Hmmm...

    I'm working for legalization here in Nevada and I really have to say, these women are thinking right. I can't think of anyone who needs the extra patience pot provides than the poor women putting up with our cretin kids these days!
    Extra patience? Nice euphemism. I don't call that extra patience. I call that "stoned to the point of not giving a **** about anything."
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    i'm for legalizing it, but this just sounds like a bad idea. especially in the wording

    The mother is the first teacher, who you turn to for direction in life
    Moms from Florida to Washington are facing criminal charges for using marijuana or supplying it to their children.
    sounds like they are advocating kids using pot. i'm not sure i can get behind that, even with my thoughts on minimum drinking ages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucifax Autumn View Post
    I'm working for legalization here in Nevada and I really have to say, these women are thinking right. I can't think of anyone who needs the extra patience pot provides than the poor women putting up with our cretin kids these days!
    Well, you got gambling legalized many decades ago. I suppose that solved your state's financial problems.

    How are things going in Nevada, lately? Have the citizens figured out what to do with all that gambling revenue that flows into their homes?
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    i'm for the legalization of marijuana, but the "it's not as bad as alcohol" argument is not going to fly IMO...something else is needed.

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    Think of how many lives would be saved in the giant "drunk driving accidents" column. If people smoked instead of getting drunk, they would be less likely to get behind the wheel......partly because they are comfy and will eat whatever is around the house instead of going looking for food....partly because they may be paranoid to leave the house, lol. And if they did get in an accident, they are probably going 20 miles under the speed limit, haha. Less fights in the world as well. You ever he a really anger person thats high? I haven't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankee View Post
    i'm for the legalization of marijuana, but the "it's not as bad as alcohol" argument is not going to fly IMO...something else is needed.
    The argument is, pot is no worse than alcohol. Personally, I'd say that was a fact, not merely an opinion.

    Now, as to whether pot is "not as bad as alcohol;" there are pretty compelling data that indicate pot, unlike alcohol, is not physically addictive. Also, it is impossible to smoke enough pot in a single session to overdose. OTOH, it is possible to kill oneself by drinking too much in a single session. It happens most often with kids who are just starting out on the ol' Whiskey Highway. Moreover, alcohol can wreck your liver. Pot can't wreck any internal organ, unless you smoke enough pot on a daily basis for enough years to cause lung cancer or COPD. But that would take at least 20 joints a day for 30 years or so to do that, and no one would realistically smoke that much weed.
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    Also, if you legalize it's subject to health code regulation and quality control. It would eliminate the (admittedly, likely small) problem of dealers cutting marijuana with other plants that may not be safe to smoke, or lacing marijuana with much more harmful substances.
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    Also, if you legalize it's subject to health code regulation and quality control. It would eliminate the (admittedly, likely small) problem of dealers cutting marijuana with other plants that may not be safe to smoke, or lacing marijuana with much more harmful substances.
    and you would also eliminate people being shot in the face when they happen upon a pot patch guarded by thugs out in rural areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy Lizard View Post
    Well, you got gambling legalized many decades ago. I suppose that solved your state's financial problems.

    How are things going in Nevada, lately? Have the citizens figured out what to do with all that gambling revenue that flows into their homes?
    We had 100 years of next to no unemployment, no state income tax, business friendly tax policy, billions of dollars of extra revenue, and much more. Before the current recession Nevada weathered them all better than virtually any other state, and the only real reason this one has actually hit us as hard as it has is the overinflated housing market that was almost solely driven by california dooshes moving here to escape their own trashed economy. It probably would have helped if our current governor wasn't a total moron and if the last one hadn't turned over the entire budget surplus to "rebates" to everyone who had registered a new car over a year or 2 (can't remember which.

    As for the "too stoned too give a sh*t" comment, that's just ignorant and applies to alcohol, anxiety medication, and anything else that can be abused. A few hits of weed is merely calming and is a perfect solution to the "frazzle inducing" nature of kids. And adults. And people in general. And internet trolls. You can abuse spray nail enamel, but it shouldn't be illegal to chicks that use it properly any more than beer should be illegal just because there is a such thing as an irrisponsible wife-beating alcoholic jackass somewhere. All this applies to weed as well, a substance proven repeatedly to be safer than alcohol, hard drugs, most prescription medication, and 95% of building materials from our youths. No one's trying to ban potted meat, but I bet that sh*t kills more people than weed, switchblades, and illegal aliens combined.
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    Well if we want to compare alcohol and pot...



    Cannabis Poses Less On-Road Risk Than Alcohol, US Crash Data Says

    Myth: Marijuana Use is a Major Cause Of Highway Accidents. Like alcohol, marijuana impairs psychomotor function and decreases driving ability. If marijuana use increases, an increase in of traffic fatalities is inevitable.

    Fact: There is no compelling evidence that marijuana contributes substantially to traffic accidents and fatalities. At some doses, marijuana affects perception and psychomotor performances- changes which could impair driving ability. However, in driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment- consistently less than produced by low moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications. In contrast to alcohol, which tends to increase risky driving practices, marijuana tends to make subjects more cautious. Surveys of fatally injured drivers show that when THC is detected in the blood, alcohol is almost always detected as well. For some individuals, marijuana may play a role in bad driving. The overall rate of highway accidents appears not to be significantly affected by marijuana's widespread use in society.


    Excessive alcohol use is the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States annually and its economic impact is estimated at over $150 billion.

    Driving under the influence of cannabis increases the risk of involvement in a crash. However, in France its share in fatal crashes is significantly lower than that associated with positive blood alcohol concentration.

    Pot vs. Booze: A Former Police Chief's Take

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    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHavePride View Post
    Also, if you legalize it's subject to health code regulation and quality control. It would eliminate the (admittedly, likely small) problem of dealers cutting marijuana with other plants that may not be safe to smoke, or lacing marijuana with much more harmful substances.
    The biggest problems in this regard is idiots jazzing it up with "syrup", making it appear better by spraying it with skunk scent, and, oddly enough, the science of growing weed and crossbreeding plands being "too good" and leading to pot that gets you as high with a few hits off a small pipe as the old stuff did when you smoked a Cheech and Chong worthy fatty.

    The proposed law here would allow for countless different grades with countless styles of "high", ban tobacco and alcohol companies from producing plants, require at least 50% local ownership of both retail stores and wholesale suppliers, impose severe fines for smoking in public or in the presence of minors, totally pay for all regulation and oversight from its own taxes with the remainder going to the state's general fund, finally provide a legal means for medical marijuana patients to acquire their "medicine" in a safe and thug-free environment (yes...They actually passed the law over 10 years ago and have not yet seen fit to give cancer patients distribution centers outside of Tyrone down at the bus stop or some in-home dealer that looks like Ted Nugent, has more guns than the combined armies of Mexico and Colombia), and so much more.

    Current statistics show that the LV Metro Police department makes 55% of its drug arrests on marijuana. 35,000 people die each year from the health effects of alcohol. ZERO people die from the health effects of hemp yearly.

    Alcohol consumption is considered by law enforcement and government to be a factor in 25-30% of ALL violent crime in the U.S. compared to marijuana use "not considered a contributing factor in violent crime". What violence there is in the "marijuana trade" is all smuglers, illegal producers, and dealers who dabble in too many other drugs like meth or cocaine which both bring out violence in a large portion of users.

    Every significant government study in the past 40 years has concluded that marijuana is less addictive, less toxic, and less harmful than alcohol.

    Retail stores will be paying a $50 per ounce excise tax to licensed wholesale suppliers. Those retailers will charge normal sales tax to the consumer. The sales tax alone is projected to generate 28 million dollars per year in addition to the excise tax. This will also create a large number of jobs, new businesses, and a wide assortment of other economic benefits including increased tourism money.

    Retail stores will pay a $2,500 initial license followed by a $2,500 fee per year to renew. For wholesale suppliers the initial fee is $5,000 and $2,500 renewal fees annually.

    The fines for violations such as providing hemp to minors, public use, atc. will be far higher than they are today. The regulations in effect to keep it from the hands of minors are similar to what has been done to tobacco in recent years which has led to a steep decline in underage cigarette smoking. Retail stores will face a $500 fine for any minors being allowed o the premesis. After the first offense, the fines grow and eventually lead to a revoked license and prison sentences.

    On the subject in my original quote from GHP, it will be ILLEGAL to import, sell, exchange, barter, supply, prescribe, dispense, give away or administer "counterfeit" substances. Doing so can lead to imprisonment from 1-6 years and fines up to 20 grand!

    Obviously, being a fully worded law, it's loaded with fine print and a million sections and subsections, but having read it all repeatedly it seems to cover almost any possible problem, exploitation of said law, etc. for anyone less judgmental about it than Leroy anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucifax Autumn View Post
    35,000 people die each year from the health effects of alcohol. ZERO people die from the health effects of hemp yearly.
    To add to that...

    Cause of Death by Florida autopsy reports

    Cocaine-348
    Methadone-312
    Alprazolam-194
    Oxycodone-185
    Ethyl Alcohol-160
    Morphine-106
    Hydrocodone-106
    Other Benzodiazepine-62
    Diazepam-59
    Fentanyl-51
    Propoxyphene-38
    Carisoprodol/Meprobamate-36
    Heroin-29
    Methamphetamine-9
    Amphetamine-3
    MDMA-2
    CANNABINOIDS-0


    Notice how many legal drugs are on that list.
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    Wow...I've only done 10 from that list! lol

    amazing how many people are dying from Xanax alone while all the other benzos combined is so low in comparison. If I had to guess I'd say that Xanax is just flat out overprescribed. Cocaine at the top doesn't surprise me at all though.
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    ...But that would take at least 20 joints a day for 30 years or so to do that, and no one would realistically smoke that much weed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucifax Autumn View Post
    We had 100 years of next to no unemployment, no state income tax, business friendly tax policy, billions of dollars of extra revenue, and much more. Before the current recession Nevada weathered them all better than virtually any other state, and the only real reason this one has actually hit us as hard as it has is the overinflated housing market that was almost solely driven by california dooshes moving here to escape their own trashed economy. It probably would have helped if our current governor wasn't a total moron and if the last one hadn't turned over the entire budget surplus to "rebates" to everyone who had registered a new car over a year or 2 (can't remember which.
    Excuses, excuses, excuses. Those state with the quick fixes (lottery, taxing pot, gambling) always have the excuses. For some reason, those quick fixes never quite do the trick.

    As for the "too stoned too give a sh*t" comment, that's just ignorant and applies to alcohol, anxiety medication, and anything else that can be abused. A few hits of weed is merely calming and is a perfect solution to the "frazzle inducing" nature of kids.
    Actually, right now it isn't a perfect solution because it is illegal. Those who do it are knowingly breaking the law, so they are demonstrating their complete irresponsibility on that count alone.

    Sure, we could legalize it, but why should we kowtow to their whimsy? Screw 'em. The one common thread that seemed to join all my stoner friends was a complete lack of responsibility. (I'll come out and say it: Losers.)

    But back to your point: It is dangerous when we head for artificial stimulants to "get through the day." I don't do drugs and I rarely drink: Somehow I manage to get through the day. (Of course I knew how to raise kids properly so that they didn't frazzle me. Hmmm... maybe that is the problem with our stoner parents.)

    Sorry, but I don't want to see us turn into a nation of dopeheads. We have enough problem with alcohol.
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