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    Quote Originally Posted by the_ouskull View Post
    With LeBron, as with all potentially great players, it will be a matter of whether or not he can adjust his game as his body begins to fail him. First of all, guys, he IS a physical freak. He's a legit 6'7", 6'8", and he weighs in the 270 pound range. Think of how ripped Karl Malone was. That's the same size, roughly. So, he's a fly-over-OR-through-you Karl Malone.

    He's got time to work on a jump shot. What will prolong his career is working on a post game. I'm not saying that he gets preferential treatment from the officials or anything -- but he does -- but, since he does, it would also be in his favor to do his work from the post so he can pick and choose who draws the foul as opposed to it being potluck who meets him at the rim. Also, with his passing ability, he could become one of the more dominant passing posts since Walton.

    He's got to overcome the superstar syndrome. The, I'm-launching-this-shot-from-here-'cause-I'm-a-superstar, hurts your team, not helps it, shot. When he looks for his own offense, there has to be an ultimate purpose. He can't simply think, "I haven't shot in a while. I guess I'd better." I guarantee you the Cavs would rather see LeBron drop 15 dimes a game than 15 points per game. As a fan, I would too... and he'd be that kind of threat passing out of the post. It's just a matter of changing his game to suit himself, and not his image. (high-flying, jump-shooting, etc...)

    Pau Gasol was an All-Star Center before he came to L.A. He was also the Rookie of the Year. I ask, again, as I am sure I will many, many more times... Do you even WATCH basketball?

    Geez.



    ^ Truth. (I mean, except for the spelling...) The Thunder are looking very seriously at offering Bosh a max deal. He would be f'ing perfect for OKC, and he'd be as close as he can get to his hometown of Dallas. Also, since he's been in Canada, ANY American attention/love is going to be better than getting no love in the great white Nort. It's not like he needs to blow up in NYC or anything. He's an All-Star now, and a good defender on a team that's so bad defensively that we may be able to sign his *ss based on giving a sh*t.

    Also, while it's on my mind, let's not acquiesce too much credit to Kobe for "learning to play as part of a team," etc... Fisher is a role player, designed to run the triangle and hit open jumpers. Kobe is Kobe. Odom is a passing "big man" whose primary role is to run the offense. Gasol is also a passing big man whose role is to score in the post, and control the boards. Bynum. Farmar. That whole team is there to play a role around Kobe. It just so happens that Odom, Gasol, and now, Artest, all happen to be all-star caliber talents. Bynum will be as well, if he can ever stay healthy long enough to develop some consistency.

    Kobe went out and learned how to play in the post this past off season to benefit his game, not his team. It just so happens that it does both, given the Lakers injuries, but he did it for him. The longer he plays, the happier he is. Kobe loves to play. I can't take that from someone by hating. As long as LeBron loves to play, I'll feel the same way about him.

    Also, except for the Lakers, the East is stronger than the West. The Lakers are the champs, no question, but the next three strongest teams are Eastern conference teams. (The Celtics, the Magic, and the Hawks... yeah, I said it. Bite me.) I think that any of those three could compete in the West...

    This whole season looks like a five or six team race...

    -- Boston, who is not as strong as they appear, drawing favor from a weak-as-sh*t division. However, they're not completely healthy, either, nor will they be anymore. Their core is just too old. K.G. is done, son. Finis, and you were a great one, man, but it's "go time."

    -- Cleveland. Even with a healthy Shaq -- which is never happening again either. He and K.G. Farewell, ballers, but GO, yo! -- I'm not buying it. Unless they can find a way to get out and run occasionally, AND still manage to play Shaq and Z. together, they're f*cked. It won't happen. It can't. Their best lineups are the "stand around and watch LeBron" lineups, and that style isn't going to win a ring. Eventually, a good defensive team will exploit it.

    -- Orlando. Even with Lewis out for the first 10, and Nelson out as well, they've come out of the gates pretty hot. I think that, barring injuries, and barring the eventual Vince Carter meltdown, they'll win the division, barely, over Atlanta, and that's that. But, can they win it all? Not with Dwight Howard, the 50% free throw shooter. They CAN with Dwight Howard, the 70% free three shooter, though. Won't happen this year. When do we close the book on Jameer Nelson? Also, Vince Carter is horrible, what were they thinking? I mean, Anderson almost made it worth it, but still...

    -- Atlanta. I think that they're learning... they're kind of like the Thunder minus Durant. Just a young, talented ball club. The difference, even though I'm not a fan of his, is Mike Bibby. OKC doesn't have that been-there, done-that (I hate that phrase, but it applies) veteran player that can also still play! I mean, Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, and Al Horford all have star potential, and they're athletic at their other positions as well. They can run and defend, and those are two things that give teams fits in the playoffs. I think that this season they're an upset-type team, but next season, once they develop some more consistent post scoring from Horford, et al.. they'll be a do-some-damage type team.

    -- Denver. I just think that, for as big as they play, players like K-Mart, Nene, and the Birdman... they're too under-sized to beat the Lakers. Aside from 'Melo and Billups, they're too inconsistent. I mean, I don't want a big game riding on a bucket from J.R. Smith, or Nene, do you? Also, even 'Melo is confusing me. He came out at the beginning of this season like gangbusters, defending the crap out of everybody. Then, just recently, he's slacked off again. Just when you think someone's "gotten it."

    -- L.A. They're the champs. I think that, short-term, the Artest thing is 50/50, depending on how long his leash is, and that long-term, it hurts them, because Ariza will only improve and Artest will only decline. I also think that they're not taking this "replacement for Fisher" search seriously enough. That's going to be what hurts them this season in the playoffs. They can't get favorable matchups for Fisher forever. (Like last season... the Lakers didn't have to go up against a quick, waterbug-type point guard other than the Rockets, with Aaron Brooks, who stretched them further than anybody else did. It was Deron Williams, Brooks, Chauncey, and Nelson. Nobody "speedy," really, outside of Brooks. Anyway, that favored Fisher, and, therefore, L.A. But they can't keep him on the floor against any quick guards anymore, or really any offensive-minded point guards at all. He's reached liability stage.

    That's my NBA $0.02.

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    I agree with everything you said in this post minus one point, Cleveland drafted Lebron to be THE guy, to carry them, and until he has a good player to go with him that is what they need him to do. If he is avg 14ppg and 15aspg they wont be very good, also I doubt he could avg 15 aspg because of the guys around him. Hell the guy is avg 28 and 8, doesnt get much better than that.
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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    talking bout practice

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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Collier11 View Post
    I agree with everything you said in this post minus one point, Cleveland drafted Lebron to be THE guy, to carry them, and until he has a good player to go with him that is what they need him to do. If he is avg 14ppg and 15aspg they wont be very good, also I doubt he could avg 15 aspg because of the guys around him. Hell the guy is avg 28 and 8, doesnt get much better than that.
    Either way, it'd be 44 points produced, so that's a wash... but I see what you're saying, and happen to agree, in regards to his averaging 15 dimes a game. Getting 15 in a game? No problem. Averaging 15? Eh...

    As for T-Mac playing tonight, the more the better. I need other teams to see him looking good so that we can (finally) trade his *ss.

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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    yah, just waiting till summer

    if we make the playoffs with this roster, i consider it an accomplishment.


    not very likely we give up Yao... he brings in so much bank in for Les Alexander.

    But when does the time come?? the Tmac-Yao experiment has not worked. A ring will not come.... why not try something different?

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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    Its too bad those guys couldnt stay healthy, I think it couldve worked at some point but I guess we will never know
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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    Quote Originally Posted by jlew1818 View Post
    yah, just waiting till summer

    if we make the playoffs with this roster, i consider it an accomplishment.

    not very likely we give up Yao... he brings in so much bank in for Les Alexander.

    But when does the time come?? the Tmac-Yao experiment has not worked. A ring will not come.... why not try something different?
    Yao's the player you keep. He's the one that still has a chance. I think, an equal chance, every season, of staying healthy. I think he's about 60-70% to stay healthy, every year. I think that, with the ad revenue he brings in, and the positive attitude he brings to the team, HE is the player you keep. T-Mac can go and try to re-invent himself somewhere else; or not, which is more likely. He's going to try to be T-Mac, and I don't think he's capable of being, or becoming, that player anymore.

    I think he's an interchangeable NBA-esque wing player, with a little more head game, and a little less defense. He is NOT a max player, and he will never be one again. Yao's healthy seasons are all-star seasons. T-Mac's healthy seasons are comeback seasons.

    Give me Yao, man. Fo' reals.

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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    yup, we will still have some cash to get somebody this summer, once we dump tmac .... wonder who?

    Some people don't like a scoring point guard like Brooks... i don't have a problem with him

    Battier might be overpaid, but he is a leader.....

    2010 Rockets

    PG: Brooks
    SG: ????
    SF: Ariza
    PF: Scola
    .C: Yao

    we need SG that can create for himself....

    here is list of the free agents

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeAgents-09-10

    Joe Johnson is a real possibility

    Dwade is probably a 5% chance

    Lebron is probably a 1% chance

    thoughts??

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    joe johnson would be perfect for the rockets roster

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    Joe Johnson doesn't leave Atlanta for the Rockets. Not happening. He's also perfect for the Hawks roster, and they're younger and more prone to playing an up-and-down game, the game in which Johnson truly thrives. He'd be a great player for the Rockets, sure, but that doesn't make him a Rocket. He'd be a great player for the freakin' T-Wolves...

    As for 2-guards, I'd see us making a legit run at Kelenna Azubuike, Michael Redd (who may be past his prime already), and Mike Miller, who can't guard 2's, or 3's...

    If we could land Azubuike or Redd, it'd help stretch the defense for Yao that much more, helping him maneuver without as much traffic, reducing the odds of his being injured from 60-70% to 59-69%.

    I'd also like to see us make runs at Craig Smith, Chris Bosh, Brendan Haywood, Steve Blake, Matt Barnes, David Lee, and Chris Douglas-Roberts, but I don't think all of those moves would happen. But, adding a couple of players like that to the core of Brooks, Battier, Ariza, Scola, and when healthy, Yao, would go a long way towards carving out a nice little niche in the West. They're young, too, with Scola, Battier, and Yao being the oldest of that core group.

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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    I would do a lot of gay things for Bosh

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlew1818 View Post
    I would do a lot of gay things for Bosh
    So would OKC, and I hate to say it, but I think they're a better fit for Bosh. Sadly, he's coming here from Canada, so OKC isn't too big a deal for him; but Houston would be a better fit for Bosh, "The Brand Name." I don't care where he goes, but OKC and Houston make the most sense as far as we know.

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    I'd think Dallas over Houston and OKC ..... ???

    idk if Dirk and Bosh would be a good mix?

    but Dirk claims he is willing to take a pay cut for an Elite free agent

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    http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice...ryl_morey.html

    More on the Rockets situation with McGrady.

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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    BTW, just like to point out that so far thru 4 games, AI is playing within himself and actually helping the 76ers play better although they are still 1-3 with him
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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    talking bout practice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collier11 View Post
    BTW, just like to point out that so far thru 4 games, AI is playing within himself and actually helping the 76ers play better although they are still 1-3 with him
    Not helping too much it seems.

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    well they hung with Cleveland til the bitter end the other night and have been competitive in all the games, this for a team that had lost 12 or 13 in a row I believe
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    Re: Lebron is amazing...

    we sitting here... i suppose to be franchise player... we in here talking about practice


    how the hell can i make my teammates better by practice

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