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    WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

    Steve Fielding recently asked the Obama administration to reassure him on the science of man-made global warming. When the administration proved unhelpful, Mr. Fielding decided to vote against climate-change legislation.

    If you haven't heard of this politician, it's because he's a member of the Australian Senate. As the U.S. House of Representatives prepares to pass a climate-change bill, the Australian Parliament is preparing to kill its own country's carbon-emissions scheme. Why? A growing number of Australian politicians, scientists and citizens once again doubt the science of human-caused global warming.

    Among the many reasons President Barack Obama and the Democratic majority are so intent on quickly jamming a cap-and-trade system through Congress is because the global warming tide is again shifting. It turns out Al Gore and the United Nations (with an assist from the media), did a little too vociferous a job smearing anyone who disagreed with them as "deniers." The backlash has brought the scientific debate roaring back to life in Australia, Europe, Japan and even, if less reported, the U.S.

    In April, the Polish Academy of Sciences published a document challenging man-made global warming. In the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus remains a leading skeptic, today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to tap Claude Allegre to lead the country's new ministry of industry and innovation. Twenty years ago Mr. Allegre was among the first to trill about man-made global warming, but the geochemist has since recanted. New Zealand last year elected a new government, which immediately suspended the country's weeks-old cap-and-trade program.

    The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. -- 13 times the number who authored the U.N.'s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world's first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak "frankly" of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming "the worst scientific scandal in history." Norway's Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the "new religion." A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton's Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists' open letter.)

    The collapse of the "consensus" has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth's temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02. Peer-reviewed research has debunked doomsday scenarios about the polar ice caps, hurricanes, malaria, extinctions, rising oceans. A global financial crisis has politicians taking a harder look at the science that would require them to hamstring their economies to rein in carbon.

    Credit for Australia's own era of renewed enlightenment goes to Dr. Ian Plimer, a well-known Australian geologist. Earlier this year he published "Heaven and Earth," a damning critique of the "evidence" underpinning man-made global warming. The book is already in its fifth printing. So compelling is it that Paul Sheehan, a noted Australian columnist -- and ardent global warming believer -- in April humbly pronounced it "an evidence-based attack on conformity and orthodoxy, including my own, and a reminder to respect informed dissent and beware of ideology subverting evidence." Australian polls have shown a sharp uptick in public skepticism; the press is back to questioning scientific dogma; blogs are having a field day.

    The rise in skepticism also came as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, elected like Mr. Obama on promises to combat global warming, was attempting his own emissions-reduction scheme. His administration was forced to delay the implementation of the program until at least 2011, just to get the legislation through Australia's House. The Senate was not so easily swayed.

    Mr. Fielding, a crucial vote on the bill, was so alarmed by the renewed science debate that he made a fact-finding trip to the U.S., attending the Heartland Institute's annual conference for climate skeptics. He also visited with Joseph Aldy, Mr. Obama's special assistant on energy and the environment, where he challenged the Obama team to address his doubts. They apparently didn't.

    This week Mr. Fielding issued a statement: He would not be voting for the bill. He would not risk job losses on "unconvincing green science." The bill is set to founder as the Australian parliament breaks for the winter.

    Republicans in the U.S. have, in recent years, turned ever more to the cost arguments against climate legislation. That's made sense in light of the economic crisis. If Speaker Nancy Pelosi fails to push through her bill, it will be because rural and Blue Dog Democrats fret about the economic ramifications. Yet if the rest of the world is any indication, now might be the time for U.S. politicians to re-engage on the science. One thing for sure: They won't be alone.
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    Re: WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk View Post
    [B]beware of ideology subverting evidence.
    well, the article cites public skepticism which isn't evidence of anything other than public opinion which is most often created for a strategic purpose. additionally, if Inhofe is the "authority" here one reads a heavy, often comical partisan overlay. and, finally, to the quote above: do you not post this because for you it's "truth value" is mostly a function of the fact you agree with it (or want this version of climate change to be true)?

    which is somehow not a function of an ideological over-determination?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Crimson View Post
    well, the article cites public skepticism which isn't evidence of anything other than public opinion which is most often created for a strategic purpose. additionally, if Inhofe is the "authority" here one reads a heavy, often comical partisan overlay. and, finally, to the quote above: do you not post this because for you it's "truth value" is mostly a function of the fact you agree with it (or want this version of climate change to be true)?

    which is somehow not a function of an ideological over-determination?
    You lost me at "Well".

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    And the "cap and tax" bill barely passed the House yesterday, with the Manchurian President having to twist numerous Dem arms to eke out a majority. This thing doesn't stand a chance in the Senate. Heck, the empirical evidence now reflects that the globe has been cooling over the last 10 years!

    This is not about environmental purity....this is about power and control.

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    Re: WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    so when is the right time to move away from oil and pollution?

    when Oklahoma City looks like Mexico City? when gas is $5 a gallon?

    at some point you have to pull the band-aid off, it's gonna hurt a little

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    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    so when is the right time to move away from oil and pollution?

    when Oklahoma City looks like Mexico City? when gas is $5 a gallon?

    at some point you have to pull the band-aid off, it's gonna hurt a little
    You 've got a good brain. Use it. You will get over the humiliation and regret soon enough.
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    Re: WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    how much of the pushback against man-made climate change is from people worried about losing money?

    i can agree with the sentiment that they are spreading the message with some hyperbole and fear, but who doesn't?

    our lifestyles are largely not sustainable. would you rather recognize it before or after you are forced to change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    You 've got a good brain.
    Apparently, you do not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    at some point you have to pull the band-aid off, it's gonna hurt a little
    Yeah, at some point you do have to pull that band-aid off.

    However, you do not have to do it at the cost of people losing jobs and taxing me and everyone else that uses energy.

    As a registered democrat, I am appalleled by how stupid the far left really is. I used to think that the democrats were better than this...but of course this was before they gained damn near absolute power in congress.

    I will say this much, if these people cannot change their abusive ways with said power, then I will vote for the other side of the aisle.

    This crap is just getting out of hand. Nancy Pelosi needs to leave the congress.


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    Re: WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    other than taxes, how are we supposed to pay off our debt?

    are there no jobs in alternative energy?

    it's not like someone is putting a gun to our heads. if this turns out to be too much, people will get ****canned and we'll start over.

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    Re: WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    how much of the pushback against man-made climate change is from people worried about losing money?
    Probably about the same as the initial push is from people looking for an opportunity to gain money.

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    Re: WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    I dont know if this warming thing is Caused by Man or not
    But I do know its HOT
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    Re: WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Probably about the same as the initial push is from people looking for an opportunity to gain money.
    i don't think i can buy that

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    Re: WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    other than taxes, how are we supposed to pay off our debt?

    are there no jobs in alternative energy?

    it's not like someone is putting a gun to our heads. if this turns out to be too much, people will get ****canned and we'll start over.
    1. Stop spending trillions of $$$ bailing out businesses!
    2. Cut big government.
    3. The rise of taxes is not what worries me...it is how much they plan on raising them in this bill.
    4. The rich can afford more taxes....why hit the middle class?


    Quote Originally Posted by bornnbredou View Post

    and before you tear into me remember, BOOMER SOONER!

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    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    I dont know if this warming thing is Caused by Man or not
    But I do know its HOT
    Yes, it is hot. It's called Summer!

    The science is NOT settled, despite what that noted and incredibly-credentialed scientist Algore spews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    i don't think i can buy that

    Gore makes $200,000 per speech. Wake up!

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    Re: WSJ - Global warming proving to be a fraud

    Gore isn't the only one, he's just the highest profiled one

    and he's a politician not a scientist

    i can accept that climate change may not be man made, but i still don't think the desired changes are a bad idea in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeelikee View Post
    Gore makes $200,000 per speech. Wake up!
    Al Gore is just one piece of the delusional puzzle.

    But, for Al Gore to be the leader of the green movement, why does he:

    1. Up until 2003, Al Gore received royalties from a Zinc Mine, depsite his stance on global warming.
    2. His biggest means of travel cross country and through the world is by private jet.
    3. His lectures on excessive comsumption goes against his very lifestyle. He and his wife own and live in two difference properties, equalling over 14,000 square ft. Al Gore also own a third home.
    4. There is no evidence that Al Gore has signed up to use green energy at either of his residences, or his third property.
    5. Al Gore owns a huge chunk of Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum stock. Oxy has been mired in controversy over oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas.

    He does drive a hybrid at least.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OU_Sooners75 View Post
    As a registered democrat, I am appalleled by how stupid the far left really is. I used to think that the democrats were better than this...but of course this was before they gained damn near absolute power in congress.

    I will say this much, if these people cannot change their abusive ways with said power, then I will vote for the other side of the aisle.

    +1


    I'm actually pretty embarrassed about my own views over the last several years....and I know which way I'm voting next year.


    I'm reminded of the Mark Twain quote about fathers becoming smarter as sons grow up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    +1


    I'm actually pretty embarrassed about my own views over the last several years....and I know which way I'm voting next year.


    I'm reminded of the Mark Twain quote about fathers becoming smarter as sons grow up....
    Maybe you can ruboff(figuratively, of course) on yermom some. He's capable of it.
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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