Back door gun control

[fadada1]

my dad taught me something long ago about guns. "you've got to ask yourself, when you pick up a gun, are you prepared to die?" treat guns with the utmost respect, and your chances of survival stay high. act like a moron, your chances of survival decrease substantially.

that being said, i believe everyone should have the right to own a pistol/rifle/howitzer/death star laser should they so choose. the problem isn't whether or not government should regulate guns, the problem is HOW government can regulate people. unfortunately, the uneducated window licker selling guns at the local gas-bait-gun-jerky stand isn't what we would call "one who is a good at judging the character of his customers."

[Curly Bill]

My view on guns:

(0) Guns are for killing things. Dispense with the 'sporting purpose' garbage and deal with that reality.
(1) The second amendment protects individual ownership only in so far as it coincides with a well regulated militia. This opinion is informed by the fact that the Brits prohibited the colonies from effectively defending themselves from enemy incursions, and the Founders wanted to prevent the Federal government from doing the same.
(2) Man has a natural right to defend himself, and this is protected by the 9th Amendment. I view this as a stronger protection than even provided by the 2nd Amendment, despite it being un-enumerated. This view means that the private citizen has the right to keep whatever arms are necessary to defend from anything a citizen might reasonably expect to encounter. Example 1: Because a citizen might reasonably expect to encounter a criminal with a fully automatic weapon, and a fully automatic weapon would be a reasonable way to defend against that, said citizen would be entirely within his rights to keep such a weapon. Example 2: Because a citizen would not reasonably expect to encounter a criminal with a bomber jet, there's no reason for a citizen to need a Stinger missile to defend against it, and so the citizen has no right to keep such a weapon. If the world changes such that a citizen would reasonably expect such a situation, then the citizen would gain the right to keep a Stinger missile.

If you want to call that anti-gun, well, otay.

You forgot to mention that guns are icky.

[Vaevictis]

You forgot to mention that guns are icky.

Oh yeah!? Well... well... well...

YOUR MOM IS ICKY!@#

[BAfan]

As for depressing or inflating ammunition costs, who the **** cares? Only people benefiting from the ammunition costs being depressed. Eg, folks benefiting from the market distortion (aka, subsidy).[/QUOTE]


How is it a subsidy when the government earns far more with the existing arrangement than they would under the Obama Administration's plan for selling the brass as scrap? If anyone is being subsidized it is the anti-gun lobby who would be happy for the Department of Defense to take a financial hit if it hurts the other side.

[Vaevictis]

How is it a subsidy when the government earns far more with the existing arrangement than they would under the Obama Administration's plan for selling the brass as scrap?

The government is providing the ammunition manufacturers with resources that they would not otherwise have access to in the absence of the government. These resources are causing the manufacturers to produce at in quantities and at prices that they would not otherwise be able to produce.

That's a subsidy. It may be indirect. It may be unintentional. But it's still a subsidy.

[BAfan]

The government is providing the ammunition manufacturers with resources that they would not otherwise have access to in the absence of the government. These resources are causing the manufacturers to produce at in quantities and at prices that they would not otherwise be able to produce.

That's a subsidy. It may be indirect. It may be unintentional. But it's still a subsidy.

A subsidy is a gift or a grant. If one party sells to another at a fair market price, it is not a subsidy. The Pentagon guys are not "providing" anything, they are selling brass because it helps their bottom line and if their action makes ammo cheaper it is only because they are a big player in this market. Both seller and buyer benefit from this arrangement, which is as it should be, but by definition there is no subsidy involved.

[StoopTroup]

The one thing I think about when I see what this thread was started for is this...

At first it was another attack/panic on the part of gun enthusiasts. Then some folks actually started a letter writing campaign to expose the back door stuff and it got squashed.

It's sad we must fight for our rights in this Country anymore and I know it can be frustrating to have to try and stop people who's one track mind can overload their ***...but in this case the result was getting it stopped. Panic and a run on supply was not needed.

Live and learn I always say. Also...take a young kid to a Gun Safety Course instead of letting them learn how to shoot with video games. You might continue the fight by doing so IMO.

[Okla-homey]

Live and learn I always say. Also...take a young kid to a Gun Safety Course instead of letting them learn how to shoot with video games. You might continue the fight by doing so IMO.

....and always remember, the Second Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights as insurance in case the government forgot the other nine.

[Jerk]

....and always remember, the Second Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights as insurance in case the government forgot the other nine.

You sound like an extremist. Are you in a militia?

[Fraggle145]

Oh yeah!? Well... well... well...

YOUR MOM IS ICKY!@#

Yermom is icky.

[Vaevictis]

A subsidy is a gift or a grant.

That is only one of many types of subsidies.

For example, the government can (and has/does) subsidize farming by propping up prices through the purchase of excess grain supply. This isn't a gift or grant, but it's still a subsidy.

[Okla-homey]

You sound like an extremist. Are you in a militia?

Nope, but I understand the United States Constitution. I got a piece of paper signed by the whole danged Oklahoma Supreme Court that certifies it

[olevetonahill]

You sound like an extremist. Are you in a militia?

I am, I am pick me

[Curly Bill]

Oh yeah!? Well... well... well...

YOUR MOM IS ICKY!@#

Scared of women and guns.

[Harry Beanbag]

I guess i'm subsidizing the city of Gilbert, AZ when I put all my empty beer cans and water bottles in the big blue container and put it on the curb Monday mornings.