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    My take on our current forecast...

    I wrote this as a reply to another thread, but it was way too long to add to another thread without it becoming a total thread jack, and, frankly, I didn't want anybody p*ssed at me for adding it to their thread, so...

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    In regards to excuses...

    The excuse now is, "this team's been making excuses (or, rather, having excuses made for them) all year long, so now the excuses ARE our excuses."

    I've been saying it for a while now. At first, I was the bad guy. (Cue the "Scarface" reset...) Then, gradually, a few people started saying, "Well, maybe this Skull guy's on to something..." Now look at this "team." We haven't played a truly solid basketball game since... well, since WHEN, exactly? I mean, I honestly think you could make the argument that we haven't played a solid game since A&M at Collie Station. Maybe ISU in Ames. Maybe Baylor in Waco. Maybe Tech in Norman... but if that's the most recent solid game we've played, keep in mind, it was almost a month ago... Baylor in Waco was OVER a month ago. And now, looking back at our schedule, those wins over Purdue, USC, and Utah seem like they happened last SEASON, not last year.

    This team, ESPECIALLY the guards, started reading their press clippings. Couple that with the fact that teams have caught on to the sad truth that we don't have a point guard on the roster that can play well, consistently, on both ends of the court for an entire game, and yeah, we've been exposed, basically. I'm seeing talk that people on here are sad that we're "probably" going to have to settle for a 2 seed. At this point, I think we're LUCKY to get a 2 seed. I'm thinking a 3 is more likely, and a 4 or 5 is more well-deserved. We've been getting by, both on the court AND in the polls, with the "Blake was hurt for their losses" excuse, but he's been back for how long now, and we still haven't put together a good, 40-minute effort since he's gotten back.

    We're a team that will expose a poor to decent team's weaknesses, but we don't have a team that's capable of making a deep tournament run; something else I've caught H*ll for saying... Great players can, occasionally, put their team on their back and take them to a Final Four. (Think John Wallace in 1996...) Blake is a great player. But, when Blake is being doubled and tripled on every possession, someone else needs to have a good game. When Blake is being doubled by nobody taller than 6'6", he, in addition to somebody else, needs to have a good game.

    Tonight, Blake had 17 points and 19 boards. A good game. However, he also, once again, led the team in turnovers with 5. We had 19 as a team. We only forced 10. Blake single-handedly had half as many turnovers as OSU did. That doesn't win games. Yes, he's a stud. Yes, he's (already) one of the greatest players to ever don the Crimson and Cream. But, I'm sorry... It needs to be said. He simply MUST do a better job of taking care of the basketball. It's great to see those 20/20 nights out of him, but I'd rather see a 10/10 night out of him with no turnovers at this point. Our guards are having a hard enough time handling pressure without Blake (and Juan, and Taylor, and...) finding another stat to keep leading the team in.

    Also, since when did all of our guards turn b*tch end up at the same time?

    vs. OSU: 15.8% on 19 shots. (52)
    vs. OSU: 29.4% on 17 shots. (47)
    vs. Mizzou: 22.2% on 18 shots. (60)

    That's the last eight days of Sooner basketball. A total of 12 out of our last 54 3-pointers attempted have actually found the bottom of the net. That's an outstanding 22%. Yeah, 22%. I shoot a higher percentage than that from the free throw line left-handed. (I'm a righty.)

    Also, what are the numbers in parentheses? I'm glad you asked. They're our total number of field goals attempted in each game. We're only shooting 22% from the arc in our last three games, yet, for some reason, even though we have arguably the best post player in the country on our roster, 34% of our shots have been three point attempts. One-third of our shots are threes, but we're hitting less than one-fourth of them. At what point do you have to shift blame from the players that couldn't hit sand if they fell off a camel to the coach that keeps letting them fire away from there?

    Also, OSU, with only one starter taller than 6'5", came away with 7 offensive rebounds. That is unacceptable.

    Crocker is KILLING this team. (How many 1-5, 2-8 nights are we going to settle for out of him?) He's shooting less than 40% from the field on the season, and over half of his shot attempts are 3's. He also has 57 turnovers on the season, compared to only 36 assists. When I compared him to the Invisible Man, I was hoping he wouldn't see it as a good thing. Maybe he watches Heroes, I don't know, but at this point, we might be a better team if Sylar catches up to him and decides he wants Crocker's power to disappear in games that mean something, if ya know what I mean.

    Only half of the players in our top eight have more assists than turnovers on the season. Only two of those players start. None of them average more than 4 assists per game.

    We're not getting good shots, and, when we are getting good shots, we're not knocking them down. Blake being beat to death and double and triple-teamed isn't a new development. It's been happening all season. The difference now, is, instead of driving the ball to the basket on the kick-outs, our guards are settling for jumpers. The only problem is, we don't have a single guard on the roster shooting better than 48% on the season... our starting point guard, our starting 3, and our lead reserve (AJ, Crocker, and Davis) are all shooting less than 42% on the year.

    We are a decent-to-good basketball team right now, AT BEST. When our guards are knocking down their shots, and Blake isn't throwing the ball to the wrong-colored jerseys, we're a good-to-great team. But, at this point, we haven't been that team in at LEAST a month, maybe longer. I think the window on finding that team again may have closed. Right now, I'm seeing a second-round loss in the NCAA's... depending entirely on our draw. Two months ago, I'd have said Sweet Sixteen, MINIMUM. Now, if we get there, I'll be happy and quite surprised.

    I hope that this team starts working hard again, 'cause this settling for "good enough" crap isn't going to cut it. "Aw shucks, I guess the shots weren't falling again tonight." What the sh*t is that? Play ball already, Sooners! If I'd have known you were only going to play half a season, I'd have politely asked you to play the SECOND half...

    Bottom Line: We don't have any intensity on defense, and we don't have a true sense of urgency on offense. We're panicking and putting up the first decent shot instead of continuing to reverse the ball and consistently get GOOD shots.

    And for those of you who want to say that I'm being Chicken Little and sh*t, it's not like I made any of this stuff up. We're a dominant post team that is settling for jumpers, and we play, basically a three-guard lineup that, somehow, still can't handle full court pressure. How is THAT a team that's going to make a deep run in the tournament?

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    If our guards had never shown the hint of the ability they need to have for this team to go deep, I'd shrug my shoulders and say "Man, blake really carried this team to a good run" when we bow out in the Sweet 16.

    But see, there was a month or so there when our guards were at that level. That's what makes all of this so frustrating. We're a final Four team playing like Glass Joe (a second-round knockout).

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    I'm serious. I think we will lose second round, if not the first (which, if we're a 2 seed we'll be an answer to a trivia question ). This team doesn't have it. A month ago, they did. Then Texas at Austin happened. Damn you Pittman, you fat ****.
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    Great Post. Underachieving at it's best describes this team. No sense of urgency at either end is right on.
    I don't see us getting past game 2.
    Very disappointed.

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    Great post and I agree with it, but I still just think we were overrated when we were winning games. Our guards are only as good as they are, and they aren't very good. If a team presses us we are in trouble, how many long, slow lob passes does Austin Johnson throw in a game when he is being pressured! That is the one thing that makes me really sick, and Blake does need to be better, and it seems he relaxes at times, especially on defense, he won't come out and help on a screen ever!

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    Agreed, to an extent. But, I refuse to believe that our guards were playing completely over their heads earlier in the year. As a unit (heh, heh... he said "unit") they played, and beat, some very good guard teams. I mean, across the board, they're what, 6'1", 6'3", and 6'3"? (I'm aware that they're all listed taller, but I'm a realist...) We could post up Crocker against smaller guards. Ditto with Willie. That would park Blake at the high post, occasionally, allowing him to avoid double-teams more often, and, if they still DO double him in the high post, it opens up the low post for dribble penetration. Our problem is that our 3-guard lineup can't hit a jump shot to save their lives, and, for the most part, they've quit driving to the basket. So, teams just pressure us to make us give it up, and then pack down into a zone that our shooting as of late can't make pay.

    It's 12 hours later, and I'm still mad about that game, and this team's play in general. Being up here in Cowsh*t Country isn't helping much, though...

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    Quote Originally Posted by John Kochtoston View Post
    We're a final Four team playing like Glass Joe (a second-round knockout).
    Dude, it took you two rounds to beat Glass Joe?
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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    The guards suck, period. They always have sucked. They hit shots sometimes, but on average, they suck. AJ was finally playing well, and then his back went out on him again. Crocker has had a shot-ectomy, a brain-ectomy, and a defense-ectomy all in one season, and Willie has hit the freshman wall.

    I am disappointed with the lack of imagination on offense, but perhaps our guards aren't good enough to execute anything else? I mean, do you really think Crocker can post anyone up? Do you think Willie can? That's a skill set that you have to develop as a guard.
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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    The problem with this team seems pretty simple to me-- No one other than Wille Warren is capable of creating their own shot.

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

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    Dude, it took you two rounds to beat Glass Joe?
    I used to pretend I was Apollo Creed and mug for the camera for a round.

    I was going to put Bald Bull, but I didn't know if anyone would get it.

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    Looks like we will get a 2 seed. Problem is we aren't playing like one. Thank God we won't be getting that 1 seed, I'd hate to be the object of that trivia question, because I question our ability to beat anyone in the tournament.

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    OU Re: My take on our current forecast...

    You brought up a lot of good points that I agree with. We are no where near a two seed right now, but with the right draw a 3 seed may be a benefit.

    One of the (many) problems I had with the game last night was our offensive strategy. We went at Moses early in the game and he ended up getting 3 fouls in the first 9 or 10 minutes of the game and fouling out early in the second half. With all of this Blake only has 9 shots the entire game, are you kidding me???? He should have had 18 points by halftime and had upwards of 20 shots throughout the game.

    Crocker has turned into a shell of his former self (can you be a shell of a shell?). I noticed on 3 separate occasions where he wasn't able to corral the defensive rebound, allowing OSU to get the ball back and hit threes off of the rebound. Also, if he doesn't have the ball he looks disinterested, and when he does have the ball and drives the lane, only bad things happen. I really think he needs to be the 6th man for this team.

    Blake, Warren, and Crocker need to start playing better defense and not get screened off as easily as they (Warren and Crocker) do. I hate to say it too, but I think all of Eaton's talking got to Willie and he forced some things that he usually doesn't do. Willie's only a freshman and hopefully he will be able to learn from that in the future.

    Our guards let anybody get in the paint and for some reason seem to really wear down towards the end of games. First Abrams, then Collins, then Anderson, and now Eaton. I don't know what the problem is, but I hope Capel and the rest of the coaches can get it fixed.

    Also, if you want to beat this team, just start pressing the guards and they will certainly start to turn the ball over. That is what gets me, whenever AJ gets under pressure, he throws lob passes that are easily picked off. He has always done this so I don't have much hope that this will get fixed before the tourney and believe that it will eventually be our downfall and end up getting us knocked out.

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanPride View Post
    I mean, do you really think Crocker can post anyone up? Do you think Willie can? That's a skill set that you have to develop as a guard.
    Granted, but it's not too terribly difficult for anybody, from junior high on up, to post up someone who is unathletic and multiple inches shorter than you. (ie - Page... I don't think that Crocker, or Willie, or AJ would have to do a lot of work to back down Lil' Country...)

    Or maybe I'm just a post-up guard, and I wish it on others... Lol.

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    I've thought about it some more and it's official... Crocker has become my A.J.

    He can't handle, he's not shooting well, and he's not anything other than a spot-up shooter anyway - mainly because of the handle issues. He's not strong enough to absorb contact, and he's not a good on-the-ball defender. I think that 6th man is being a bit, eh... generous. Until he shows Capel, et al.. that he's ready to be a baller again, I think we should start Cade, and bump Crocker down to the 7th spot...

    BUT...

    He would be able to do even less on the floor if he's playing with the second unit...

    I had a similar problem on my high school boys team this year. We had a guy who probably shouldn't have been starting starting. We had to do it 'cause he wouldn't have been able to do anything with the second unit 'cause he can't do anything without it being set up for him. (Sound familiar...?)

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    This very well could be our last shot for a title in a while as Blake is heading to the NBA as is Willie, and Taylor Griffin and Austin Johnson are seniors this year.

    If we play our best, I'm confident that we could win a title. Blake, Willie, Taylor, Austin, everyone.

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    This very well could be our last shot for a title in a while as Blake is heading to the NBA as is Willie, and Taylor Griffin and Austin Johnson are seniors this year.

    If we play our best, I'm confident that we could win a title. Blake, Willie, Taylor, Austin, everyone.

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    This very well could be our last shot for a title in a while as Blake is heading to the NBA as is Willie, and Taylor Griffin and Austin Johnson are seniors this year.

    If we play our best, I'm confident that we could win a title. Blake, Willie, Taylor, Austin, everyone.

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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    Willie hasn't said he's going.
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    Re: My take on our current forecast...

    I generally agreee with this thread except.

    I don't think the guards suck. When healthy AJ is far better than average and WW is a future NBA guard. I do think our guard play the last 2-3 weeks has been subpar. A lot of it is how much Crocker has struggled. Some is certainly tied to AJ's health. I think he is playing at about 85-90% which unfortunately has been a recurring instance in AJ's career. Leary has done pretty nice but he shouldn't have to be counted on as much as he had been. In football analogy sort of like Joey Halzle. A solid back-up but if he ever has to be The Man then it means drop-off. Not that I'm saying AJ is our equivalent of Bradford. That would be Blake.

    I think we are a very good team just not a great team. I think a month ago the floor was the Sweet 16 and the ceiling was a Championship. Now I think the floor is a second round loss and the ceiling is probably Elite 8. After our start I think anything less than Final 4 would be a disappointment now.
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