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    When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Mr. Venables ? after all, he did hire him and hasn't taken the defense from him !

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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    shut yer trap

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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    I think it's a valid question.

    The answer I'm not sure of, but obviously Bob deserves some of the blame. It will be interesting to see if anything is done following this season.
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Obviously he doesn't think the problem is big enough to overcome his loyalty. Unfortunate.

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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    I wont ever Blame Bob for anything .
    I kinda remember the 90s
    If Bob thinks BV is the Best availible I believe Him .
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    I don't want to go back to the 90's either.

    Neither do I want to keep having defenses that let us down.
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Quote Originally Posted by Curly Bill View Post
    I don't want to go back to the 90's either.

    Neither do I want to keep having defenses that let us down.
    Agree Bro our D aint to
    Alls Im sayin Is Maybe Bob looked around and this is it.
    Then again Maybe Not .
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Bob is obviously not going to make any rash decisions (I'd have already canned BV), and I can appreciate that. I do wonder though if even Bob might be ready to move in a different direction? I'm interested in seeing.
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Quote Originally Posted by Curly Bill View Post
    Bob is obviously not going to make any rash decisions (I'd have already canned BV), and I can appreciate that. I do wonder though if even Bob might be ready to move in a different direction? I'm interested in seeing.
    We are Bros.
    But I trust Bob . If he thinks BV is the Best around I cant argue.
    Like I said I aint Happy with the D either.
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Just wait for a coaching job to open for BV to go to. It's how you all got rid of Chuck Long

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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    I think if we asked him, Stoops would be the first to say that it's his fault. He's not a buck passing guy. And, I agree with him for several reasons -- it's his choice who he hires for his staff, and it's up to him whether or not he cans anyone on that staff. What's more, Stoops was hired for being a defensive genius, so if he continues to not give himself additional DC responsibilities, that's his fault. I mean, he wouldn't have to fire BV to shut some of us critics up. Even if he announced he was going to get more hands on that'd be a relief.

    I can dig that he couldn't say that publicly (because it'd undermine BV's ability to coach) so doing it behind the scenes would be fine. However, it's been five years -- and clearly either he hasn't ever intervened and increased his own hand in the defense, or if he has, it hasn't helped.

    The only failure which I really can't countenance is the failure of inaction. If we're going to suck, let's at least suck because we're trying to win. Sucking because we're trying not to lose (which is how our defense feels under BV) is totally lame, and very Whornish.

    This isn't how things are supposed to be in Norman.

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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Quote Originally Posted by Curly Bill View Post
    I don't want to go back to the 90's either.
    I'd love to go back to the 90's.

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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Quote Originally Posted by Husker In Oklahoma View Post
    I'd love to go back to the 90's.

    Hi, Husker in Oklahoma, I'm Bill Callahan. I want to go back to 90s too, when I was still a rising star of a coach - or I bet you'd like to return to 2002, when in January you were among the top teams in the country with a chance at another crystal ball. I liked that year too, because that was my last chance at a championship too... so I guess you could say we're alike in that regard.

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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Blame him for what?
    keeping us in the top 10 every year?
    keeping us in the top 5 regularly?
    winning only 80% of his games?
    making us a proud football tradition again?

    or for losing a game or two each year?
    not many coaches out there go undefeated year after year after year after year.
    in fact......... the last I remember was Bud W.

    Boy, those were the days.
    Us and Slippery Rock.
    Most of y'all would of been happy back then.
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Ur older than me aint ya ?
    I dont member the BW years
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    Ur older than me aint ya ?
    I dont member the BW years
    you prolly didn't have a radio station near you in the old days.
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Even if Stoops got involved in the defense, could it be that the current state of defense has passed him by? It's been 10 years since he was a DC. I'd like to see him bring in some kind of young hotshot with new ideas. I have no idea who that would be though.

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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    I dont blame Stoops for keeping BV around, BV has done a pretty damn good job over the years...some of you dont give him enough credit for that Natl title we won, the other two we played for, or the 5 conf titles. I think the problem that I have is that Bob nor BV have changed up the D much.

    Weve played for 3 natl titles in 8 years and have a shot at another one this year, I can count on one hand the other programs that have had similiar success in the past two decades

    FSU of the 90's
    Neb of the 90's
    Ohio State
    USC
    LSU
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Quote Originally Posted by OUinFLA View Post
    you prolly didn't have a radio station near you in the old days.
    Radio ? whats that ?
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    Re: When do you start blaming Bob Stoops for

    Quote Originally Posted by OUinFLA View Post
    Blame him for what?
    keeping us in the top 10 every year?
    keeping us in the top 5 regularly?
    winning only 80% of his games?
    making us a proud football tradition again?
    I don't think that anyone is saying that they are not proud of the team or what they have accomplished since the 90's. The thing that everyone is upset about is that we are doing the same things year in and year out. Nothing changes. The above stats are great and there are tons of other teams in the country that would love to have them, but if you are happy with just that year after year then why even play the games? They say it all the time, Oklahoma football is about championships. About winning. Well, the last 5 years or so we have taken care of business for the most part during the regular and then choked when it counted. Yeah, we have a bunch of Big 12 titles, but all against softer North opponents. When we come up against teams outside of the Big 12 North, we just can't cut it. I think that everyone is just tired of choking. We are tired of seeing the same soft defense week after week. The same run up the middle on 1st down and a pass 5 yards short on 3rd downs. Oklahoma football has always been about striving for more and to get better. We get the same "coach speak" after each game, but nothing changes. Winning 80% of your games is incredible, but when the 10% that you are losing are Bowls and games that you shouldn't...well, then that is a problem.

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