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    Scary scare tactics?

    I want everyone to take a critical view without political affiliations when answering these questions.

    Do you think this type of “letter from the future” scare tactic is effective?

    Do you think the internet and email (whether responsible or irresponsible) is affecting public perceptions?

    Do you think this type of election campaigning is setting a precedent and that all future elections will be increasingly prone to slander and unsubstantiated allegations spread over the internet?

    How much leeway should be given to freedom of speech?

    How do you think this following news story is being interpreted by the general populations in overseas countries? In Russia? In Eastern Europe? In the Middle East? And, when answering this question rest assured that it is being translated and quoted in international newspapers.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27369927/

    Christian right intensifies attacks on Obama

    Conservative activists escalate 'doom and gloom' rhetoric as Nov. 4 nears


    Terrorist strikes on four American cities. Russia rolling into Eastern Europe. Israel hit by a nuclear bomb. Gay marriage in every state. The end of the Boy Scouts.

    All are plausible scenarios if Democrat Barack Obama is elected president, according to a new addition to the campaign conversation called "Letter from 2012 in Obama's America," produced by the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family Action.

    The imagined look into the future is part of an escalation in rhetoric from Christian right activists who are trying to paint Obama in the worst possible terms as the campaign heads into the final stretch and polls show the Democrat ahead.

    Although hard-edge attacks are common late in campaigns, the tenor of the strikes against Obama illustrate just how worried conservative Christian activists are about what should happen to their causes and influence if Democrats seize control of both Congress and the White House.

    'Smells like desperation'
    "It looks like, walks like, talks like and smells like desperation to me," said the Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell of Houston, an Obama supporter who backed President Bush in the past two elections. The Methodist pastor called the 2012 letter "false and ridiculous." He said it showed that some Christian conservative leaders fear that Obama's faith-based appeals to voters are working.

    Like other political advocacy groups, Christian right groups often raise worries about an election's consequences to mobilize voters. In the early 1980s, for example, direct mail from the Moral Majority warned that Congress would turn a blind eye to "smut peddlers" dangling pornography to children.

    "Everyone uses fear in the last part of a campaign, but evangelicals are especially theologically prone to those sorts of arguments," said Clyde Wilcox, a Georgetown University political scientist. "There's a long tradition of predicting doom and gloom."

    But the tone this election year is sharper than usual and the volume has turned up as Nov. 4 nears.

    Steve Strang, publisher of Charisma magazine, a Pentecostal publication, titled one of his recent weekly e-mails to readers, "Life As We Know It Will End If Obama is Elected."

    Strang said gay rights and abortion rights would be strengthened in an Obama administration, taxes would rise and "people who hate Christianity will be emboldened to attack our freedoms."

    Separately, a group called the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission has posted a series of videos on its site and on YouTube called "7 Reasons Barack Obama is not a Christian."

    The commission accuses Obama of "subtle diabolical deceit" in saying he is Christian, while he believes that people can be saved through other faiths.

    But among the strongest pieces this year is Focus on the Family Action's letter which has been posted on the group's Web site and making the e-mail rounds. Signed by "A Christian from 2012," it claims a series of events could logically happen based on the group's interpretation of Obama's record, Democratic Party positions, recent court rulings and other trends.

    Among the claims:

    A 6-3 liberal majority Supreme Court that results in rulings like one making gay marriage the law of the land and another forcing the Boy Scouts to "hire homosexual scoutmasters and allow them to sleep in tents with young boys." (In the imagined scenario, The Boy Scouts choose to disband rather than obey).

    A series of domestic and international disasters based on Obama's "reluctance to send troops overseas." That includes terrorist attacks on U.S. soil that kill hundreds, Russia occupying the Baltic states and Eastern European countries including Poland and the Czech Republic, and al-Qaida overwhelming Iraq.

    Nationalized health care with long lines for surgery and no access to hospitals for people over 80.

    The goal was to "articulate the big picture," said Carrie Gordon Earll, senior director of public policy for Focus on the Family Action. "If it is a doomsday picture, then it's a realistic picture," she said.

    Obama favors abortion rights and supports civil unions for same-sex couples, but says states should make their own decisions about marriage. He said he would intensify diplomatic pressure on Iran over its nuclear ambitions and add troops in Afghanistan.

    On taxes, Obama has proposed an increase on the 5 percent of taxpayers who make more than $250,000 a year and advocates cuts for those who make less. His health care plan calls for the government to subsidize coverage for millions of Americans who otherwise couldn't afford it.

    One of the clear targets of this latest conservative Christian push against the Democrat is younger evangelicals who might be considering him. The letter posits that young evangelicals provide the margin that let Obama defeat John McCain. But Margaret Feinberg, a Denver-area evangelical author, predicted failure.

    "Young evangelicals are tired — like most people at this point in the election — and rhetoric which is fear-based, strong-arms the listener, and states opinion as fact will only polarize rather than further the informed, balanced discussion that younger voters are hungry for," she said.

    Last-minute push?
    In an interview, Strang said there are fewer state ballot measures to motivate conservative voters this election year and that the financial meltdown is distracting some voters from the abortion issue. But he said a last-minute push by conservative Christians in 2004 was key to Bush's re-election and predicted they could play the same role in 2008.

    Kim Conger, a political scientist at Iowa State University, said a late push for evangelical voters did help Bush in 2004, "but it is a very different thing than getting people excited about John McCain," even with Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential pick.

    Phil Burress, head of the Ohio-based Citizens for Community Values, said the dynamics were quite different in 2004, when conservative Christians spent some energy calling Democrat John Kerry a flip-flopper but were mostly motivated by enthusiasm for George W. Bush.

    Now, there is less excitement about McCain than fear of an Obama presidency, Burress said.

    "This reminds me of when I was a school kid, when I had to go out in the hall and bury my head in my hands because of the atom bomb," he said.

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    IMO its not much different from what I have heard in politics since the 70's There is just more of it from more parties.

    I remember how grandma was going to lose her SS and be forced to eat dogfood.
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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    4 major US cities? How did they come up with the number 4?

    INT: Crazy Evangelical Fear Propaganda War Room - Day

    Two extremely white, clearly fat and undersexed, writers sit at a table in a stark white room. The computer HUMS with anticipation.

    Writer #1 takes a sip from his mug and jabs a finger at the screen, angrily.

    Writer #1
    The Soviets will invade Eastern Europe again. Dogs and Cats will sleep together. There will be terrorist attacks in THREE major US cities!

    Writer #2
    No. Don't you get it? Three isn't enough. It doesn't have enough 'Fear Zazz' to really get the message across. We need more.

    Writer #1
    Four, then?

    Writer #2
    Now you're talking. Four is perfect.

    Writer #1
    Well, if more is better, why not five or six major US cities?

    Writer #2
    Shush. Now you're just being silly.

    Writer #1
    Good point. Well, is that all?

    Writer #2
    Hardly. We're missing the biggest one.

    Writer #1
    Which is?

    Writer #2
    The Boy Scouts.
    (beat)
    They're all GONE.

    Their eyes meet in horror, realizing the truth. Writer #1 wraps his arms around Writer #2 and they hold each other close, wishing the fear away...

    ...and hoping their wives don't finish making dinner and come down in the basement.

    Reluctantly double secret Ninja-Maverick member of the Posse (in protest). That's right...Ice...Man...I AM dangerous.

    "You have to be aware that there's a line where legitimate concerns begin to collapse into paranoid fantasy." - David Frum, Conservative author and speechwriter for President George W. Bush

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by LosAngelesSooner View Post
    4 major US cities? How did they come up with the number 4?

    INT: Crazy Evangelical Fear Propaganda War Room - Day

    Two extremely white, clearly fat and undersexed, writers sit at a table in a stark white room. The computer HUMS with anticipation.

    Writer #1 takes a sip from his mug and jabs a finger at the screen, angrily.

    Writer #1
    The Soviets will invade Eastern Europe again. Dogs and Cats will sleep together. There will be terrorist attacks in THREE major US cities!

    Writer #2
    No. Don't you get it? Three isn't enough. It doesn't have enough 'Fear Zazz' to really get the message across. We need more.

    Writer #1
    Four, then?

    Writer #2
    Now you're talking. Four is perfect.

    Writer #1
    Well, if more is better, why not five or six major US cities?

    Writer #2
    Shush. Now you're just being silly.

    Writer #1
    Good point. Well, is that all?

    Writer #2
    Hardly. We're missing the biggest one.

    Writer #1
    Which is?

    Writer #2
    The Boy Scouts. They're all GONE.

    Their eyes meet in horror, realizing the truth. Writer #1 wraps his arms around Writer #2 and they hold each other close, wishing the fear away...

    ...and hoping their wives don't finish making dinner and come in the basement.

    Heh!

    I think there will eventually be a tie-in with the four horsemen.

    The Boy Scouts were taken in the rapture, as they've always been prepared.

    This will be like the "Left Behind" series.

    If someone gets these emails, hook me up.

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    you mean like all of the "Bush is going to reinstate the draft" emails I received in '04? how about the current "Palin is going to attack our sovereignty" mailings from my Native American friends?


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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    end of the boy scouts. heh.
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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Do you think this type of “letter from the future” scare tactic is effective?
    Unfortunately, yes. My sweet Mother and several of the people I work with are sure that one candidate is the devil and the other a terr'ist. Or are both devils? I can't keep up.

    Do you think the internet and email (whether responsible or irresponsible) is affecting public perceptions?
    Yes, some get informed and some get misinformed.
    Same as radio, magazines, chatty neighbors, what have you.


    Do you think this type of election campaigning is setting a precedent and that all future elections will be increasingly prone to slander and unsubstantiated allegations spread over the internet?
    Yes.

    How much leeway should be given to freedom of speech?
    Leeway? Loooooots of leeway. Lots.



    How do you think this following news story is being interpreted by the general populations in overseas countries? In Russia? In Eastern Europe? In the Middle East?
    I have no idea. Probably about like it is here. With mixed reviews depending on the intention of the interpreter.



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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    "Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever they can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser; in fees, expenses and waste of time." -- Abraham Lincoln, (1809-1865) Lawyer and President who saved the United States.

    "Without opportunities on the part of the poor to obtain expert legal advice, it is idle to talk of equality before the law"-- Justice Chas. Evans Hughes

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey View Post
    Don't do that. WE don't care about the facts.
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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 85Sooner View Post
    Don't do that. WE don't care about the facts.
    Apparently, you don't care about the facts, but some people do.

    Let's ignore two years of campaign speeches and party platform and all that.

    This radio interview when Obama was a university law lecturer and state legislator reveals exactly what?

    What he said isn't scary to me...well, compared to a political campaign that has no ideas and has to resort to mud slinging and name calling.

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Remember how in the last 8 years the Republicans took away old people's social security? And how Bush's tax cuts were only a tax cut for the rich? Remember that?

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Bao View Post

    This radio interview when Obama was a university law lecturer and state legislator reveals exactly what?
    C'mon Chuck, you're smarter than that. Nothing much; except his unvarnished worldview, one, I might add he shares with "Rev" Wright and that ilk, shared before he was forced to temper his speech based on being involved in a national political campaign.
    "Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever they can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser; in fees, expenses and waste of time." -- Abraham Lincoln, (1809-1865) Lawyer and President who saved the United States.

    "Without opportunities on the part of the poor to obtain expert legal advice, it is idle to talk of equality before the law"-- Justice Chas. Evans Hughes

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    I am smarter than that and hopefully you are too!

    It's just so funny that you claim to have Obama's unvarnished worldview from an edited radio interview from seven years ago.

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Bao View Post
    I am smarter than that and hopefully you are too!

    It's just so funny that you claim to have Obama's unvarnished worldview from an edited radio interview from seven years ago.
    so, he didn't say those things? Is this like the celebrity who tapes a home video while doing a minor who later claims, "but that's not me!" You BHO Kool-Aid drinkers are a riot.
    "Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever they can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser; in fees, expenses and waste of time." -- Abraham Lincoln, (1809-1865) Lawyer and President who saved the United States.

    "Without opportunities on the part of the poor to obtain expert legal advice, it is idle to talk of equality before the law"-- Justice Chas. Evans Hughes

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey View Post
    so, he didn't say those things? Is this like the celebrity who tapes a home video while doing a minor who later claims, "but that's not me!" You BHO Kool-Aid drinkers are a riot.
    Define "Is".
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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    I am no kool-aid drinking fool.

    Obama said exactly what?

    Weath redistribution is a goal of every capitalist country. Please name one capitalistic country that doesn't have wealth redistribution in some form.

    Don't be silly and try to paint this black and white. You can do better than that.

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Bao View Post
    Apparently, you don't care about the facts, but some people do.

    Let's ignore two years of campaign speeches and party platform and all that.

    This radio interview when Obama was a university law lecturer and state legislator reveals exactly what?

    What he said isn't scary to me...well, compared to a political campaign that has no ideas and has to resort to mud slinging and name calling.
    I can understand why you wouldn't care about his marxist position and would consider bringing up his relationship with 1.Rezco,(a criminal whom he benefited from) or 2.Wright( a racist so called minister that he said was his spiritual leader for 20 years) or 3.Ayers, (his terrorist partner in education molding) as well as his own words of redistributing the wealth. "MUDSLINGING"

    Come on now
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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Bao View Post
    Weath redistribution is a goal of every capitalist country.
    Really? I thought capitalism was about wealth creation, not wealth redistribution.

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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Bao View Post

    Wealth redistribution is a goal of every capitalist country.
    Ummm... wow. I'd love to know the source for this little gem.

    I can't speak for "every capitalist country" but in this capitalist country we are only guaranteed the opportunity, not the right, to succeed and do well.
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    Re: Scary scare tactics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Bao View Post
    I am no kool-aid drinking fool.

    Obama said exactly what?

    Weath redistribution is a goal of every capitalist country. Please name one capitalistic country that doesn't have wealth redistribution in some form.

    Don't be silly and try to paint this black and white. You can do better than that.

    Robin Hood wasn't a capitalist. You know, that whole "take from the rich and give to the poor thing?" At its core, that's what BHO espoused in the 2001 interview and it would appear from statements on the stump, the leopard has most definitely not changed his spots. Rank populism, obviously very compelling to many Americans.

    My fervent hope is it is mostly hyperbole, but my fear is he actually believes the manure he's spreading. If he wins, and if he's just a demagogue, we'll survive because we've had demagogues in the White House before and came through alright. If he's truly bought-in on these radical notions, and he wins, its gonna be a long four years.
    "Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever they can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser; in fees, expenses and waste of time." -- Abraham Lincoln, (1809-1865) Lawyer and President who saved the United States.

    "Without opportunities on the part of the poor to obtain expert legal advice, it is idle to talk of equality before the law"-- Justice Chas. Evans Hughes

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