...Does anybody really know what Obama stands for ???
...Does anybody really know what Obama stands for ???
CHANGE
heh, it's been a long time since I've posted a ginormous CHANGE.Felt good.
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
That's an unoriginal generality that means nothing...Originally Posted by Curly Bill
CHANGE
heh, it's been a long time since I've posted a ginormous CHANGE.
Don't tell me, I'm just the messenger.
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
No, and the Dems don't know what he's for either...cause they can't name a single piece of legislation that he's sponsored and passed while in the Senate.
But hey...JSM is evil and is another Bush clone...that's all they know.
If you don't know where Obama stands on the issues at this point you're hopeless. You're either too lazy to read or too stupid to comprehend. You don't deserve to vote.
Atheist.
It's SicEm, not you, that gets to decide who votes!
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
He changes so often, I have not been keeping a scorecard...
I'd take his test!It's SicEm, not you, that gets to decide who votes!
Atheist.
No thanks...
If that bothers you, you better not vote for McCain. He's got more flip-flops than a sorority house.
I'm not happy until you're not happy.
Yeah but McCain's a war hero.
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
I am reserving judgment until I walk into the voting booth...
You would pass. I disagree with you politically, but at least you aren't ignorant.
Socialism.
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
- Fred Bastiat
Your approaching this from the wrong direction IMO.
Go to both Candidates websites and go today.
Read as much as you can stand.
You have to will yourself to do it IMO.
Next...take a day off and do something different.
The very next day...watch as much Fox and CNN as you can stand.
The next day...try and find as many Top Bloggers from both sides as you can and then....
Don't forget to go to the OU v TCU game.
Take Sunday off.
Monday...come back here and fill us in because from what I see...neither of those two somebeaches know what the heck to do and are flying from the seat of their pants in an effort to get elected. Once that happens...they'll re-test the waters for sharks again and probably start campaigning for all the folks that got them there and none of what they said they actually were gonna do will really happen.
My take...Vote for Barry and watch folks have a heart attack.
If Clinton couldn't bring an end to America after 8 years...
Neither will Barry.
God Blessed the USA...remember?
We always have that thanks to Lee Greenwood.
C'mon ST, admit it. Like any other white male union member, you're just supporting BHO 'cause your union bosses are requiring it. There is no other comprehensible reason.Your approaching this from the wrong direction IMO.
Go to both Candidates websites and go today.
Read as much as you can stand.
You have to will yourself to do it IMO.
Next...take a day off and do something different.
The very next day...watch as much Fox and CNN as you can stand.
The next day...try and find as many Top Bloggers from both sides as you can and then....
Don't forget to go to the OU v TCU game.
Take Sunday off.
Monday...come back here and fill us in because from what I see...neither of those two somebeaches know what the heck to do and are flying from the seat of their pants in an effort to get elected. Once that happens...they'll re-test the waters for sharks again and probably start campaigning for all the folks that got them there and none of what they said they actually were gonna do will really happen.
My take...Vote for Barry and watch folks have a heart attack.
If Clinton couldn't bring an end to America after 8 years...
Neither will Barry.
God Blessed the USA...remember?
We always have that thanks to Lee Greenwood.
"Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever they can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser; in fees, expenses and waste of time." -- Abraham Lincoln, (1809-1865) Lawyer and President who saved the United States.
"Without opportunities on the part of the poor to obtain expert legal advice, it is idle to talk of equality before the law"-- Justice Chas. Evans Hughes
Given the fact
that he has only held public office for a total of 12 years we will start with his first successful election in 1996. He was elected to represent the south side of Chicago in the Illinois State Senate and served in that capacity until his unsuccessful democratic primary run for the United States Congress in 2000.
In 2004 he ran for an open seat in the US senate. He won the Democratic nomination.(factoid)
His democratic primary opponant Blair Hull, who was ahead in polling, lost momentum and his support continued to decline due to allegations of domestic abuse.
Thus he was thrust into competeing agains republican Primary winner Jack Ryan. Ryan withdrew from the race with three months to go due to allegations of sexual discretions (he was a swinger) revealed in his divorce records from the hollywood star Jeri Ryan of Star Trek and Shark fame.
Writers note: Is it me or do the republicans tend to throw any of there own under a bus at the mention of sexual allegations unlike some other parties. Whether or not that matters to the reader is left up to them.
Back to our story. Since the election was so close the repulicans chose to have Alan Keys take over the run for the seat but time was short and Obama won easily. Thus it could be said that he was elected by default. However he was reelcted in 1998 and 2002
During his time in the Illinois Senate,Barack placed nearly 4000 votes. per the NT Times...
" In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult
vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.
In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill.
He voted "present," effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator.
Sometimes the "present' votes were in line with instructions from Democratic leaders or because he objected to provisions in bills that he might otherwise support. At other times, Mr. Obama voted present on questions that had overwhelming bipartisan support.
In at least a few cases, the issue was politically sensitive."
While in the state Senate according to wikepedia, As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.
He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers,
negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.
Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide
interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to
record the race of drivers they stopped.
Since we do not have a long history of his service in public office as a US Senator,
(3 years) lets take a look at his performance in those three years. By Issue.
Regarding
1 Abortion: Two Non-votes regarding the federal funding of abortion and
one Yes vote to fund programs to prevent unwanted regnancies
and provide funding for federally funded birth control. voted 4 times against allowing medical treatment for the babies born alive after attemped abortions failed. (even Boxer voted for this)
2 Agriculture: Three Non-votes and Voted yes to limit federal subsidies to a
max of 250k and requiring any entity recieving funds to be in
the farming business. (ie no money for agriculteral corporations.)
3 Appropriations: ie Spending your tax money: one non-vote, FOUR no votes and 32 yes votes.
Thus it would be safe to say that he likes to spend. This is
only opinion and these votes have been made in a democratic
majority congress. I don't know if we would see a difference
in with a republican majority.
4. Taxes / Budget: out of 63 votes he has voted. 12 No votes mainly related to
Tax cuts, military spending. Pretty much anything that would
keep the current tax rates at their current levels or reducey them.
29 non-votes mostly since July 2007. 22 yes votes mainly along the
lines of increasing taxes and providing funds for education and
environmental groups/issues.
I can invite you review them for yourself but from what I have been able to
determine after reading the 409 bills for consideration during his term
is that he is for-
gov funded stem cell research,
rights of habeus corpus for all enemy detainees.
social security benefits for illegal immigrants.
Repeal of the death tax, capitol gains tax cuts.
Pull out of Iraq in a timetable.
Universal Healthcare
he is against.
Tax cuts for anyone earning 42k or more or 65k for a married couple.
English as a national language.
Any emergency spending for military.
Immunity for gun makers for crimes commited with weapons.
The thing I notice the most is his amount of Non-votes. 33% of the time he
votes a non-vote.
So in his three years in the Senate he has voted "non-vote" on 129 of 409 issues.
Most of these seem to be on critical issues. IE illegal immigration, environmental spending,
abortion, same sex marriage, national security. Again like McCain this may be so that
he cannot be held to any certain position.
Thus, I can see why Hillary is talking so much about his words vs actions. He seems to
want to be elected on his personality rather than his record which is IMO quite limited.
Limited enough that he sure needs to be more specific, this again is my opinion
He can't sit on the fence as The President of the most powerful nation in the world.
Incidently, He speaks of voting against the war that Hillary voted for. Unless my
timetable is wrong, he wasn't in office to make a vote either way. Its easy to say you
were against the war when you don't have to vote. Given that, it is clear he wants the U.S.
out of iraq.
That being said I looked at his ratings group by group based on who supports him.
Virtually every liberal group rates him 80% or higher. he has
Environmentalist groups,
pretty much every abortion advocate
The National Organization for Women (NOW)
Heavy Union support
Government Contractors
Education unions
Lawyer organizations
Most support from Minority groups NAACP, La Raza (hispanic) and the Iranian american council.
He is gets an F from the NRA.
He gets low ratings from groups interested in cutting spending,
Veterens give him a mid 80's rating, 100 being the best
On Trade he recieves a grade of C
On National Security he recieves a 20 out of 100
On immigration he gets below 20 from every one but the Lawyers and Iranian groups
including a grade of 8 from the US Border Patrol and a 0 from the group
English first.
Foreign policy less than 20 out of 100 on average.
Wrapping up. He does not list any religion on his Bio/website although he is backed by
some muslim groups,it would not be appropriate to tie him to any one group including
but not limited to Christian.
He acknowledges drug use in his past which may matter to some folks.
I do not see any relative experience with regard to policy making with regard to economics, healthcare or foreign relations. (This is a major concern for your lowly correspondent. I really want specifics and clear accurate specifics in light of this fact.)
So far I have read interviews with those who have been backing him looking for any major accomplishments. I have found none and can't find any reports by anyone claiming to know any. This could be of concern to some.
Right now it seems that he is a young bright man who has found the fast track to
the national scene. Alot of folks have compared him to John F Kennedy back in 1960 however,
JFK would be considered a conservative by todays standards based on his record.
Thats all I have for now.
85sooner, you really need to spend some time looking into this.
But I agree with you. its amazing how his non-commitment is being overlooked. Seems some folks don't want to hear it. They just don't want another GWB. (I am not say JM is a GWB)
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