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    To the Obama supporters

    This is the thread to tell us why we should vote for him.
    A couple of things not allowed.
    No bashing Bush and talking about McCain being a 3rd term. In fact leave McCain out of it all together, let me know whats good about Obama's policies, not whats bad about McCains.
    No using vague terms like, "change"

    I want to know the nitty gritty here.

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    He wants to impose the SS tax on income over $250k; if that is enacted and kept in place for the rest of my life, there might actually be some money there for me when I retire.

    I'd rather the $104k-$250k 'doughnut' not be left out though.
    We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics. FDR.

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there won't be many replies in this thread

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    A commitment to renewable energy. His target percentages and timelines aren't as aggressive as I would like to see but they're a good starting point.
    We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics. FDR.

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Support for universal health care.

    Support for education that goes beyond unfunded mandates.

    Support for student loan forgiveness for those in public service.

    Respect for the rule of law.
    "The choices we discern as having been made in the Constitutional Convention impose burdens on governmental proceses that often seem clumsy, inefficient, even unworkable, but those hard choices were consciously made by men who had lived under a form of government that permitted arbitrary governmental acts to go unchecked." INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919 (1983) (Burger, C.J.)

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    I think our foreign policy as it relates to the middle east sucks. It is my opinion that we have for too long made poor decisions when it comes to that region.

    I happen to be opposed to the extent to which we continue to support Israel. This doesn't mean I'm anti-semitic or that I'm pro-Islam, if you've paid attention to my posts at all you know that I think religion in all forms, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sufism, Scientology whatever is stupid and that it limits our ability to advance on a global scale. That being said, for us to ally ourselves on one side with Israel and still want to pull oil out of the ground of neighboring Islamic countries is one of the main reasons we are in the position we find ourselves in today in regards to Iraq and the mutually exclusive War on Terror. This War on Terror grew out of that region's disdain for our policies that I mentioned earlier. We can't continue to have our cake and eat it too. Whether or not you want to believe it, there is a reason 19 terrorists hijacked planes and murder thousands of civilians. You don't have to accept or agree with the reason, but make no mistake it wasn't an arbitrary decision made by Al Qaida. They didn't fly planes into the sides of buildings in Sweden or Peru, they did it to us for a reason.

    That being said I have long been a proponent of increasing the amount of resources directed at smashing Al Qaida and all along wanted to stay out of Iraq. Iraq is another failed effort at nation building and beyond the rhetoric of allowing these people to be free and to allow democracy to flourish, to me it stinks of Imperialism. An effort to establish a massive military base and embassy in a land that is rich in natural resources that our government seems inept at providing itself and a buffer zone to the aforementioned ally Israel.

    I like the idea of scaling back our presence in the middle east altogether. I think we should phase ourselves out of Iraq and allow those people to have a go at governing themselves. If it ends in failure, it ends in failure, but our continued presence there only serves to stoke the fires of anger that the true power brokers in the region use to incite the masses into a hysterical anger towards the U.S. I don't think diplomacy is a dirty word. I feel like Obama has an attitude that is similar to this and that he's the candidate most likely to initiate a different mentality when it comes to that region. I feel like he's more likely to reach out and make an effort not at peace (these people have been killing each other for millenniums now) but at a better understanding of what the Islamic world wants from us and what we can do to get the Grand Ayatollahs to understand that they need to call off the dogs. If we had asserted to the right amount of force and directed it at the right enemy I think by this point we'd have a different situation over there.

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Because he is the candidate I would most like to have a beer with.

    Because his lapel pin is the most shiny of all the candidates.

    Because he travels mostly by forklift.

    Because he is the color of American soil.

    Because whether you agree with him or not, you know what you are getting.

    Because he makes decisions "from the gut".

    Because his religion is the same as mine.
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    And for realsies, because he has a commitment to getting us out of Iraq, scaling down our support for Israel, universal health care, and quite honestly because he is going to raise taxes. Generally, if policy isn't worth paying for, it probably isn't worth implementing, people say tax and spend as if it's a bad thing.
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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Quote Originally Posted by kbsooner21 View Post
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there won't be many replies in this thread
    It's longer than the McCain thread so far.
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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Quote Originally Posted by soonerscuba View Post
    And for realsies, because he has a commitment to getting us out of Iraq, scaling down our support for Israel, universal health care, and quite honestly because he is going to raise taxes. Generally, if policy isn't worth paying for, it probably is worth implementing, people say tax and spend as if it's a bad thing.
    Before you edit it!
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    Before you edit it!
    Shuckey darn, you caught me in a simple mistype, good jorb. At least you are responding to someone other than yourself.
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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Quote Originally Posted by soonerscuba View Post
    Shuckey darn, you caught me in a simple mistype, good jorb. At least you are responding to someone other than yourself.
    I was talking about the thoughts, not the mistype. The best to you, too.
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Why would scuba edit his thoughts? Maybe he was thinking you would add "Cause I want the terrorists to win." I don't get him, ever.
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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    I was talking about the thoughts, not the mistype. The best to you, too.
    Meh, I fully realize that no one could ever, ever run that as a platform, and ideally I would pay for the Iraq war by stealing their oil, but that ain't happening, so that pretty much only leaves two options. The first is the raise taxes and pay it off at a lower amount of interest, the second is the Boomer mentality of shucking it off to the kids. I know which I prefer, regardless if it's a bit more painful in the short-term,

    As for Israel, why should I care about their country to the tune of billions of dollars? That doesn't mean that I am an anti-Semite, I just don't think ANY industrialized country is worth that subsidy.

    The rest are pretty commonly held positions.
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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Quote Originally Posted by mdklatt View Post
    It's longer than the McCain thread so far.
    maybe it was too restrictive...

    it's an honest question

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Why I will vote for Obama

    Has a plan for SS that might mean I get to see some of my money again

    Will consider a withdraw from Iraq

    Will hold talks with states not currently friendly to the US and our interests (Diplomacy is not a four letter word.)

    Wants to rework NAFTA

    His stance on global climate change and his energy policy

    Reasons why I might not vote for Obama


    His gun control record is concerning

    I don't support the idea of universal health care (though I do think his plan is better than Hillary's or any other serious donk POTUS candidate for that matter)

    I don't like the enlarging the federal governent

    He is pretty inexperienced compared to the other POTUS cadidate
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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner_Havok View Post
    He is pretty inexperienced compared to the other POTUS cadidate
    Given the state of politics in this nation, his inexperience might be a good thing.

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Thank you Achiro for this thread. If we can keep the thread from degenerating into name calling and silly email slanderous stuff that would be such a huge improvement.

    I will vote for Obama because he does offer real “change”.

    Obama will be much tougher in dealing with foreign trade partners who continue to rack up huge trade surpluses with the US while stubbornly pegging their currencies to the US dollar at favorable rates.

    Obama appears to get the point that rising health care costs is one of the main reasons that American workers are being priced out in the increasingly global economy.

    Obama is less likely to cater to large US corporations who continue to ask for tax breaks and favorable legislation, while simultaneously moving jobs overseas.

    Obama has not surrounded himself with “former” lobbyists who have recently represented foreign governments.

    Obama is least likely to continue to forge US foreign policy around protecting American (corporate) interests abroad.

    Obama is not as likely to continue to coddle China and its aggressive foreign ambitions for the sake of the American corporate sector.

    Obama is more likely to forge a global and workable coalition against terrorism, rather than the current administration’s policy of a unilateral and global cop approach.

    Hopefully, Obama gets the history lesson that a military power is dependent on economic power. His rival has not shown that he gets the new global economy despite his much longer tenure in the Senate.

    So in short, Obama stands for “change” and change is good.

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    Re: To the Obama supporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Bao View Post
    Obama has not surrounded himself with “former” lobbyists who have recently represented foreign governments.

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    Question: Does who he has surrounded himself with bother you in any way?

    I keep hearing about the people he has associated with and they don't seem like the kind of people I would surround myself with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imjebus View Post
    I keep hearing about the people he has associated with and they don't seem like the kind of people I would surround myself with.
    Neither campaign will go down that road if they're smart. A successful politician is a dirty politician, there's no way around it. I don't think either candidate is personally corrupt, but they've both laid down with swine.
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