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    SoonerFans.com Elite Member Chuck Bao's Avatar
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    Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    What good is the UN or ASEAN if it can’t help our brothers and sisters in need?

    What’s worse than a government more concerned about its control and sovereignty than the suffering of its people?

    Why are there only three people in Burma qualified to approve visas for relief workers?

    Nargis cyclone deaths may exceed 100,000?

    I want to give money for relief effort, but I don’t want my money to go into the pockets of those fascist military dictators safely embedded in their new fake capital city of Naypyidaw.

    Go in, take control of the Rangoon airport and start helping people. Don’t wait for approval. There is no two sides to this issue.

    There is the immediate need for humanitarian aid. I can’t imagine that there would be any fighting or resistance against a takeover of the airport and the arrival relief workers.

    I wouldn’t discount the possibly of a military coup. Sadly, that’s probably the best we can hope for.

    Go in now and help stop some of the suffering.

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008...l_30072540.php

    Burma cyclone deaths may exceed 100,000
    By ninemsn.com.au

    Burma's military government is under pressure to open its borders to more international help after a devastating cyclone that a US diplomat said may have killed more than 100,000 people.

    Washington, a vocal critic of the junta that has ruled Burma for more than four decades, said humanitarian access should not be a political matter.

    "What remains is for the Burmese government to allow the international community to help its people. It should be a simple matter. It is not a matter of politics," US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told reporters in Washington.

    John Holmes, the top UN humanitarian official, urged Burma to waive visa restrictions he said were slowing efforts to bring in relief experts and supplies to help an estimated one million people affected by Cyclone Nargis.

    The cyclone, with 190km/h winds, slammed into coastal towns and villages in the rice-growing Irrawaddy delta south-west of Rangoon on Saturday. Witnesses reported villages destroyed and people fighting for survival by clutching trees.

    Limited international aid has trickled in and the military junta's own aid operation has moved up a gear with some helicopter drops, but land convoys were nowhere to be seen, a Reuters witness in the delta said.

    State radio and television reported a death toll of 22,980 with 42,119 missing and 1,383 injured in the world's most devastating cyclone since 1991.

    Holmes said the death toll could rise "very significantly."

    Shari Villarosa, charge d'affaires of the US embassy in Burma, said, "The information that we're receiving indicates that there may well be over 100,000 deaths in the delta area."

    That figure was not confirmed, but was based on estimates by an international non-governmental organisation that she declined to identify, Villarosa told reporters on a conference call from Rangoon.

    She said recent Burma government estimates put the death toll at 70,000, mainly in the delta area.

    In one town alone, Bogalay, at least 10,000 people were killed, according to a town-by-town list of casualties and damage announced by the reclusive military government.

    Political analysts and critics of 46 years of military rule said the cyclone may have long-term implications for the junta, which is even more feared and resented since September's bloody crackdown on Buddhist monk-led protests.

    With the delta virtually cut off and frustration growing among aid agencies and governments, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner suggested invoking a UN "responsibility to protect" clause without waiting for the junta's approval.

    Holmes, UN undersecretary-general for humanitarian affairs, said that would be premature. "We are having useful and constructive discussions with the authorities of Myanmar (Burma)," he told reporters at the United Nations.

    "It is moving in the right direction, we want it to move much faster clearly, but I'm not sure it would help at this moment at least to embark on what could at least be seen by some people as a confrontation."

    Richard Horsey of the UN Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in Bangkok that 5,000 square kilometres of the delta were under water.

    "With all those dead mostly floating in the water at this point you can get some idea of the conditions facing the teams on the ground. It's a major logistical challenge," he said.

    Storm surges hit when people were sleeping "and just inundated them, or swept them out to sea," Villarosa said. "The government officials told us 95 per cent of the buildings in the delta area are gone or have collapsed."

    Thailand, China, India and Indonesia were flying in relief supplies and the UN World Food Program said it had sent four planes with aid that were expected to arrive on Friday.

    UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged Burma do more to facilitate international aid.

    Holmes said four Asian UN officials had been cleared to go as part of an initial assessment team but up to 100 UN staff were still waiting. He said they had not been refused visas, but the process was taking too long.

    Twenty-four countries had pledged $US30 million ($A31.6 million) and more aid offers were expected after the UN sets out its priorities and target for aid in a flash appeal on Friday.

    Australia will provide an initial $A3 million emergency assistance, bypassing Burma's military rulers to provide the funds directly to the United Nations and aid agencies.

    The UN emergency relief will contribute at least $US10 million ($A10.5 million).

    At Rangoon airport, a Reuters photographer on a Thai military plane said two Indian planes and one Chinese transport plane with tents and construction materials had also landed.

    The United Nations recognised in 2005 the "responsibility to protect" civilians when their governments could or would not do it, even if this meant violating national sovereignty.

    France's UN ambassador, Jean-Maurice Ripert, asked the Security Council to take a stand on the crisis by calling for a humanitarian briefing and issuing a statement.

    Diplomats said China, Russia, Vietnam and South Africa were opposed, arguing it has nothing to do with peace and security.
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    UN: No quick reply from Burma on visas for relief workers
    New York - The government of Burma had not responded to a request to waive visa requirements for international relief workers waiting for permission to bring much needed aid to victims of Cyclone Nargis, the UN said Tuesday.


    The UN had asked the government in Burma to waive visas for relief workers assembled in nearby Bangkok so they can begin their journey to Myanmar, said Rachid Khalikov, an official of the UN emergency relief department at UN headquarters in New York. But the Burmese embassy in Bangkok was closed on Monday for a Thai holiday.

    "So far, there were no instructions for visas in Bangkok," Khalikov said.

    In the past other countries have waived visa requirements to aid in relief efforts. For example, aid workers could provide emergency assistance to earthquake victims in Iran because that country waived visa requirements.

    The devastating cyclone hit Burma over the weekend and the government there said more than 22,000 people have been killed and more than 40,000 people were missing. The government said more than 100,000 people needed urgent humanitarian assistance.

    Khalikov said the UN headquarters in New York has had difficulties gathering information on conditions in Burma because of problems in communications with its staff in Burma. UN officials had met with Myanmar diplomats in New York to discuss urgent steps to assist the people in the impoverished south-east Asian nation, but they were also stymied by communication problems.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Who should go in? Us?

    Pffft, and **** off the other half of the world? Pass.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjcpr View Post
    Who should go in? Us?

    Pffft, and **** off the other half of the world? Pass.
    Hell Bro Most of the worlds ****ed at us anyway
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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    We would never go in there, not enough oil!!! just kidding folks.

    Seriously folks, I have been following that situtation long before the cyclone hit. It is a huge mess and the poor people of that country are suffering.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    On the way to work, I was thinking we could send in a small strike force, say the 82nd Airborne Chorus, to knock out the ruling generals and set up a "UN Relief Government"; then we'd split.
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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    I was thinking about just taking over the control tower at the airport and start getting the planes landing and the relief crews and materials in.

    But, I like your idea better, TUSooner.

    Whatever, China would never allow either your plan or my plan.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Why don't China and India step up out there?
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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanPride View Post
    Why don't China and India step up out there?
    'Cause China's too busy getting ready for the Olympics and India's too busy getting ready for nucular war w/ Pakistan.
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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanPride View Post
    Why don't China and India step up out there?
    China is busying taking the Olympic flame to the top of Everest.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Wow. This is a bad week for cyclones - first Myanmar and now Burma.
    We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics. FDR.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Good question, NormanPride. I don’t know. India sent at least one ship loaded with relief supplies.

    I would guess that China doesn’t want international relief organizations to by-pass the Burmese government and give aid directly, despite the obvious ineptness.

    Since Burma is a member of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations), ASEAN should be the one negotiating with the Burmese military leaders and taking the lead in providing assistance.

    But, that apparently isn’t happening. Relief supplies and workers are still sitting at the Bangkok airport and the Thai prime minister can’t even contact the Burmese leaders.

    Get him on the next flight to Burma!

    This is beyond sad.

    BURMA DISASTER
    Us begs thais to influence junta
    By Supalak Ganjanakhundee
    Piyanart Srivalo
    The Nation
    Published on May 9, 2008

    Samak unable to contact country's leaders, may fly to Rangoon


    The United States yesterday desperately sought Thailand's help to get into cyclone-ravaged Burma and deliver humanitarian assistance to millions of storm victims in the secretive country.

    US Ambassador Eric John met Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej to ask him to facilitate permission from Burmese leaders for the US emergency relief team to enter the country.

    Samak gave some assurance that he and his government would work closely with the US to help Burma, John said.

    However, Samak failed to get through to paramount leader Than Shwe and his deputy Muang Aye due to poor communications, government spokesman Wichianchot Sukchotrat said.

    If contact cannot be made, Samak will fly to Burma soon to talk to the leader, the spokesman said.

    John urged the junta leaders to make a quick decision to let the US disaster team, waiting in Bangkok, get in soon.

    "A visa that we get today is worth a lot more lives than tomorrow and worth a lot of lives than the day after tomorrow," he told a press briefing.

    "If today the visa is delayed, more and more people would be suffering significantly in Burma."

    The US government is ready to provide assistance and through its Agency for International Development offered US$3.25 million (Bt104 million) initial assistance for the relief effort.

    Burmese state media reported that the cyclone killed 22,980 persons and left 42,119 missing. The figures are unconfirmed and could rise.

    "The high number of deaths and missing increases our concerns and our desire to provide assistance to those who need it now," John said.

    Burma's leaders distrust Western countries and are reluctant to allow their personnel in the country.

    John showed the media the team his government would send to Burma.

    "These are humanitarian workers," he said. "They are ready to go in to help. They are not going in to overthrow the government. They are not going in to spy. They have specific skills for immediately responding to disaster. These are the faces and these are the people we want to send in to Burma."

    He dismissed a report that the Thai Supreme Command managed to get landing permission from Burma for US C-130 military aircraft.

    Bill Berger from USAid said Burmese leaders have nothing to fear from the C-130. Although it was a military aircraft, it would be loaded with only items for assistance.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerInKCMO View Post
    Wow. This is a bad week for cyclones - first Myanmar and now Burma.
    Heh!

    I refuse to call the country Myanmar because it is name created by an oppressive, paranoid and superstitious military regime.

    Besides, the Bangkok Post and Nation have fully reverted back to calling the country Burma.

    I don't even know what Myanmar means. I remember a taxi driver telling me one time that Myan means quickly and mothers call their children myan, myan, myan (come here quickly) and mar means to development. So, Myanmar means quickly develop. I think that taxi driver was just pulling my leg, as some taxi drivers like to play jokes on stupid foreigners.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    i was trying to figure out the other day why i didn't know anything about Myanmar... not that i knew much about Burma...

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    I don't know much either, yermom, and I have visited the country 4-5 times over the last 20 years.

    My favorite charity is donating money, medicine, clothes to the Burmese refugees on the Thai side of the border.

    http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=100924

    Burma was one of the richest countries in Asia after WWII and should have become prosperous with its large population and natural resources.

    Burma is a former British colony and the older Burmese speak excellent English.

    It is one of the most fascinating countries to visit in the world if their government would actually open up, relax and restore democracy.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Perhaps part of the problem is the UN d00d organizing the relief effort is an old porn star.
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    OMG! Even with the likes of you, homey, I can't believe you are ragging on relief and porn stars. For shame!!!

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    TheU.S. is in a no-win situation.If we go in we are exploiters,if we do nothing we are SATAN.We tried to be peacemakers in Lebanon and were attacked.We tried humanitarian relief and to bring stability to Somalia and were attacked.We are being raked over the coals for trying to stabilze Iraq and for not intervening in the Sudan.No matter what we are wrong.
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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    There was a story on the news last night that we have a Navy strike force off the coast of Thailand that just happened to be training for humanitarian relief missions in case of a cyclone or tsunami in the region. They have a couple dozen helicopters and 1800 Marines ready to go in. They are on alert just waiting for permission to deliver the supplies they have on hand. Some would say it was a brilliant fortuitous coincidence, apparently the Burmese leaders would not.

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    Re: Go in, go in Burma NOW!

    Quote Originally Posted by stoopified View Post
    TheU.S. is in a no-win situation.If we go in we are exploiters,if we do nothing we are SATAN.We tried to be peacemakers in Lebanon and were attacked.We tried humanitarian relief and to bring stability to Somalia and were attacked.We are being raked over the coals for trying to stabilze Iraq and for not intervening in the Sudan.No matter what we are wrong.
    I'm not sure it is entirely appropriate to link those countries to the situation in Burma. I don't know if you've had a chance to meet some of the people of Burma, but it is hard for me to imagine a more gentle and peace loving people on this earth.

    The opposition to the military government is led by Aung San Su Kyi whose National League for Democracy rightfully won the general election in 1990, but was scrapped by the military dictators. Aung San Su Kyi has been under house arrest since then.

    Last year, some Buddhist monks decided to stop giving blessings to the military personnel and that started what was termed the "saffron relevolution", but it was brutally put down. Some Buddhist monks had to dress as laymen and walk hundreds of miles to Thailand to escape with their lives.

    How much of a bad guy can you be if you are going after Buddhist monks. That is unless you are China and hosting the Olympics.

    Some day, Burma will be free and I hope that many will get a chance to see for themselves the beauty of these people and their country.

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    Supalak Ganjanakhundee. now THAT is a name.
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