We can't win

[Sooner_Havok]

And no, I am not talking about the "war on terror"

Biofuels are Bad

If we keep using foreign oil, we are killing the environment and feeding terrorists. If we grow our own fuel, we are killing the environment and starving the poor. WTF?!?!

And last I checked, not much rain forest in the US or UK. And again, last I checked, corn grown in Iowa is grown in the US, and thus is ours to do whatever we want to with. I don't see the problem here, let the US and UK grow their own fuel, that will lower the demand for oil, hence lower the price of oil. If the US "goes green" then the world will have greatly reduced it "carbon footprint" and the rest of the developing worl can continue to use arab oil until the figure out who to balance food production and biofuel production.

Blaming the US and the UK for causing deforestation by switching to biofuels seems pretty nearsighted to me

[sooner_born_1960]

Not that I give a damn about carbon footprints, but doesn't ethanol have a similar one to petroleum?

[Sooner_Havok]

Not that I give a damn about carbon footprints, but doesn't ethanol have a similar one to petroleum?

Yeah. But, in theory, if you continue to replant the biofuel crop year after year, it will reabsorb the same amount of carbon that cars burning fuels derived from previous crops emit.

So, again in theory, carbon levels would level off instead of continuing upward.

[sooner_born_1960]

OK. Whatever. If it's cost effective for the producer to grow corn for fuel, he should go ahead and do it.

[tommieharris91]

And no, I am not talking about the "war on terror"

Biofuels are Bad

If we keep using foreign oil, we are killing the environment and feeding terrorists. If we grow our own fuel, we are killing the environment and starving the poor. WTF?!?!

And last I checked, not much rain forest in the US or UK. And again, last I checked, corn grown in Iowa is grown in the US, and thus is ours to do whatever we want to with. I don't see the problem here, let the US and UK grow their own fuel, that will lower the demand for oil, hence lower the price of oil.

What your assumpition misses here is that, while oil demand is falling because people are using a substitute, demand for corn, and thus the price of corn, corn products, and livestock that eat corn, rises due to finding a new use for it. Farmers will plant more corn to bring down the price of corn, crowding out other crops, driving their supply down and their price up.

[olevetonahill]

I like Ethanol , Just sayin

[Jerk]

I like Ethanol , Just sayin

[Jerk]

Do the same people who buy into the ethanol scam also fall prey to Nigerian emails?

[Sooner_Havok]

What your assumpition misses here is that, while oil demand is falling because people are using a substitute, demand for corn, and thus the price of corn, corn products, and livestock that eat corn, rises due to finding a new use for it. Farmers will plant more corn to bring down the price of corn, crowding out other crops, driving their supply down and their price up.

Yeah, corn is a **** poor crop for biofuels. Algae on the other hand...

seems that it might offer the biggest bang for the buck. Only problem, kicking the corn producing farmer of America of the government subsidy teat.

[sooner_born_1960]

Hey, as soon as I send that nice Nigerian banking offical 300 more dollars, we'll see who's falling prey to what.

[olevetonahill]

Do the same people who buy into the ethanol scam also fall prey to Nigerian emails?

If ya drink enough of that ethanol . you will prolly get drunk enough to drink that Nigerian Cool aid .

[Sooner_Havok]

All I know is that until we can build more nukes, or until photovoltaic cells efficiency increases, biofuels seem like a good idea. I'm "mad as hell" and I don't want other countries to continue to leach of America. Us US Americans do enough leaching as it is, we don't need any more help.

[Jerk]

The only thing good that can come from this is if corn gets so expensive that it's cheaper for the soda makers to go back to using real sugar.

[Jerk]

All I know is that until we can build more nukes, or until photovoltaic cells efficiency increases, biofuels seem like a good idea. I'm "mad as hell" and I don't want other countries to continue to leach of America. Us US Americans do enough leaching as it is, we don't need any more help.

Yeah! I think we should drill for our own oil instead of buying it from that commie punk Chavez.

[Sooner_Havok]

Yeah! I think we should drill for our own oil instead of buying it from that commie punk Chavez.

Still kind of short sighted. Think of all the oil used in the US from 1950 to now. Think there is that much oil still buried under US soil? We gots to find something else to sever the ties to the middle east permanently.

[Jerk]

Think there is that much oil still buried under US soil?

We have more oil than Saudi Arabia in the rocky mountains and dakotas. As metioned in another thread, it is now economical to drill for it (shale oil). We also have 10.4 BILLION barrels under ANWAR but we can't drill for it without the hippies crying. There are enormous reserves offshore, like in the Gulf of Mexico.


http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14678206/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5318776.stm

http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...ssive_oil.html

[Sooner_Havok]

We have more oil than Saudi Arabia in the rocky mountains and dakotas. As metioned in another thread, it is now economical to drill for it (shale oil). We also have 10.4 BILLION barrels under ANWAR but we can't drill for it without the hippies crying. There are enormous reserves offshore, like in the Gulf of Mexico.


http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14678206/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5318776.stm

http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...ssive_oil.html

Kay, but presently the US burns through about 7,154,000,000 barrels of oil a year, that is 7.154 Billion barrels of oil per year, and that is a low number.

[StoopTroup]

When the rest of the World runs out....we'll get the price we truly deserve.

Quit being a bunch of "I want it now" types.

We need to build 9 more Nimitz Class Carriers IMO.

Then even the Chinese will fall in line at the Boone Pickens Filling Stations World Wide.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[Okla-homey]

Okay, here's my suggestion.

Lets go completely nuclear for public electricity ASAP.

At the same time, lets convert to hybrid gas-electric for cars and trucks. Since the car batteries will be recharged from safe, clean, efficient nuclear public utilities, we should save beaucoup on the carbon emissions.

There. Now, when may I claim my Nobel prize please?

Oh, and please, no anti-nuclear talk. Even France is building reactors as fast as it can. It is the "progressive" way of the future for public utilities. As far as the nuke waste goes, heck, we got lots of big square far-western states. We just pick one, dig a very deep hole and drop that stuff into it. Or, there is this thing called the Marianas Trench in the middle of the Pacific where the ocean is several miles deep. El Dumpo into no problemo.

[olevetonahill]

Shoot that **** into Outer space .