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    Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    We haven't had any good political smacktalk for a while, so since we've got a debate this week and a primary next week, let's talk about Obama's comments. If you didn't see them, they are here:

    Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter). […]

    But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
    I will say I think it's hilarious that someone who has made $107 million in the last 7 years, spent the 8 years before that living in the White House and before that resided in the Arkansas Governors mansion is going to call someone else elitist and out of touch. Thoughts?

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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    Nope. Not a thought at all - well other than I can't believe people are actually still considering voting for the bimbo or the islamo.

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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    I always wondered why I worship God and have a personal artillery arsenal. Now I fully understand. Boy I hate the government.

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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by C&CDean View Post
    Nope. Not a thought at all - well other than I can't believe people are actually still considering voting for the bimbo or the islamo.
    Here's the scary thing: People like this get to vote in this country.

    God help us.

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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    Yeah, God help us each and every one.

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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoop Dawg View Post
    Here's the scary thing: People like this get to vote in this country.

    God help us.
    Ignore him, he's just bitter and clinging to his gun*.



    *Which knowing him may or may not be a coy euphemism that creates and unwanted visual image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C&CDean View Post
    Nope. Not a thought at all - well other than I can't believe people are actually still considering voting for the bimbo socialimbo or the islamo socialislamo.
    Shame on you, Dean! NOT nice.
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    It was a dumb thing to say, but pretty much accurate in my observation. I do like the fact that he is sticking to his guns and not being a pansy like Gore and Kerry when it comes to this stuff. I think that if the Bush presidency has taught us anything, is that you take your swing and you don't back down, no matter how wrong you are and the American public will be convinced by your steadfastness. Sad, really. I used to want Hillary to be president just to watch Joe Six-pack in Noble, OK go mental, but Barack Obama has surpassed that dream, and I didn't know that it was possible. I guess I will wait for the gay Muslim who runs on the platform of outlawing trucks to top this.
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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    I think it obviously came out poorly, but in a more general sense, there might be something to the idea that when people either reach that state of mind where they don't think anyone on any side has anything tangible (gov't services, job security, whatever) to offer them, just don't care about voting their material interests, or think it's less important than the fuzzy notion of "defending their way of life," they gravitate toward a certain type of thinking, targeted at them based on their cultural identity. "Psst. Vote for us or those damn godless abortionists will come and take your guns and make you gay-marry an illegal immigrant! Boo! Scary!"

    There are a couple of books about this, Foxes in the Henhouse which is mostly just a political playbook by two Dem strategists, and What's the Matter with Kansas?, which is somewhat more conventional journalism/history analysis.

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    he was talking about them clinging to religion or guns in reference to voting, right?

    i mean why does the poor person vote for the Republican that's letting all of the decent jobs go overseas and allow big corporations to run the country?

    George Bush doesn't care about poor people.

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    It's nice to see a politician at least kind of mention the fact that they've failed a lot of the people in America. I'd say it's nice to hear a Democrat bash a Democrat president, but he's running against' that Democrat president's "wife" so it's probably just mudslinging.

    Yeah, it came out wrong, but if you're not looking to antagonize the guy, his message is fairly clear. If he had left out the part past "bitter" the message would have been just as clear, though. I watched Fox News for 5 minutes at my grandmother's place, and they had approximately 15 orgasms over this gaffe of Obama's. Pathetic.
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    I think the point that Obama, Hillary, and the rest of the socialists in this country are missing is that the vast majority of people don't want or need the government to take care of them like helpless children, they want the government to leave them the **** alone and stay out of their bedrooms and wallets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Beanbag View Post
    I think the point that Obama, Hillary, and the rest of the socialists in this country are missing is that the vast majority of people don't want or need the government to take care of them like helpless children, they want the government to leave them the **** alone and stay out of their bedrooms and wallets.
    So, what are we gonna get, Wild Johnny? Big Woop!
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyMack View Post
    Ignore him, he's just bitter and clinging to his gun*.



    *Which knowing him may or may not be a coy euphemism that creates and unwanted visual image.
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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    Quote Originally Posted by soonerscuba View Post
    It was a dumb thing to say, but pretty much accurate in my observation. I do like the fact that he is sticking to his guns and not being a pansy like Gore and Kerry when it comes to this stuff. I think that if the Bush presidency has taught us anything, is that you take your swing and you don't back down, no matter how wrong you are and the American public will be convinced by your steadfastness. Sad, really. I used to want Hillary to be president just to watch Joe Six-pack in Noble, OK go mental, but Barack Obama has surpassed that dream, and I didn't know that it was possible. I guess I will wait for the gay Muslim who runs on the platform of outlawing trucks to top this.
    Now that is bitter; voting for someone so he can fu** with other people's lives, like those dumb rednecks in small town Oklahoma. They're worthless people, right? Farmers, ranchers, mechanics, construction workers, et al, you know, the people who make this country RUN. I'm glad to know that most of them are armed to the teeth, and I'd like to see their reaction to someone ****ing their lives up over a political agenda that demands payback for bunch of ill-perceived 'injustices.'

    There. That came out much better.
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    I think he has a point. The federal government has failed. So where does that leave these people? They CAN affect gun laws, the CAN affect local immigration laws, and they CAN affect local morality laws. Can they stop NAFTA? No. Can they stop the Fed's growing deficit? no. I can see where one might be drawn towards the things they can affect and away from the things they cannot. I do think that we should address the problem however, not the symptoms. Why has the government failed? has it failed because it remained small and never oversteps it's bounds, or has it failed because it has mushroomed and usurped all power and authority from the state governments?
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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    general election toast....served burnt.

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    um ya, we like our guns. what's the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    general election toast....served burnt.
    See, I don't think so. He didn't say "stupid hillbillies cling to their imaginary friend Jesus and their guns 'cause they is so dumb." although people who already hated the guy probably heard that.

    He is saying he can understand why people fall into these attitudes. Hell, even Job got "bitter" after getting shat on constantly.
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    Re: Obama, Hillary, "Bitter" and Elitism

    What gaffe? Sounded like he was dead-on correct to me.
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