Electoral College Map

[OklahomaTuba]

Or Ohio, Colorado & New Mexico.

At this point, the donks nominating the man from the racist black church is probably the worst possible thing that can happen running against a guy who will pull about 20% of the democratic vote.

[shaun4411]

Oh I'm sure the race card is going to get played in the South, but not on Obama's behalf. Look at the Mississippi primary--Hillary took the white Democrat vote by a large margin. In the South you've got two kinds of white Democrats: real Democrats in urban areas and southern "Democrats" everywhere else. The only difference between a southern Republican and a southern Democrat is that the Democrat still holds a grudge against the Republicans for the Civil War. In Oklahoma, the southern Democrats only vote Dem at the local and state level.

eloquently put. one of my fav democrats is zell miller of georgia. a smart man. a smart dem. which is a lot coming from a conservative independent "libertarian"

[OklahomaTuba]

I'd vote for Zell any day. Ditto for Leiberman (sans Mr. Global Warming).

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Obama's past is still being unveiled. What does your projection look like with Hellery as the dem nominee, SicEm?

[setem]

Could one you tell me how to get to the Union?


YELLOW CARD!

[Tiptonsooner]

Zell damn sure doesn't pull any punches..

[Big Red Ron]

No way Obama wins Florida.

Or Ohio, Michigan, PA and I think New Mexico and Colorado, since he's from the four corners.

[SicEmBaylor]

Or Ohio, Colorado & New Mexico.

At this point, the donks nominating the man from the racist black church is probably the worst possible thing that can happen running against a guy who will pull about 20% of the democratic vote.

You're delusional, but as always, thanks for playing.

[OklahomaTuba]

You're delusional, but as always, thanks for playing.

I see you're the type that just skips any intelligent debate and just gets right to the personal attacks.

Have you even looked at any polling data? McCain has nearly a double digit lead in Florida and Ohio at this point. The more American's learn about BHO, I suspect it will be much, much higher.

[soonerboomer93]

You're delusional, but as always, thanks for playing.

honestly, i don't think a dem can pull colorado. I know Obama won the caucus, but Hillary might hold a better chance since she has better hispanic support.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You're delusional, but as always, thanks for playing.

SicEm goes for a personal put-down. Highly unusual for you!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I see you're the type that just skips any intelligent debate and just gets right to the personal attacks.

Have you even looked at any polling data? McCain has nearly a double digit lead in Florida and Ohio at this point. The more American's learn about BHO, I suspect it will be much, much higher.

BHO needs to bite the dust(figuratively). An Obama presidency is much scarier than either Hellery or McCain.

[CORNholio]

You should! It's an absolutely brilliant system even though, obviously, you can't always get what you want out of it.

First, it would be much much worse if there were just a nation-wide popular vote. Then you would have the major cities holding all the chips in choosing a candidate to the detriment of smaller states and rural areas.

Second, the true brilliance of the electoral college is the way in which it balances population and geographical interests to give both a healthy amount of influence in the election process. It's also the very last means by which the individual states can "check" the Federal government. If you take out the electoral college then you'd just have states that are purely administrative districts.

Third, the map actually typically favors Republican candidates though recent population trends in swing states are decreasing the GOP's inherent advantage in the electoral college count.

I love the EC though, and I am always against changing the system the Constitutional Framer's devised.

To the contrary, a nation wide vote would make every vote equal. The electoral college is what slants the votes and makes one vote worth more than the other. It was necessary 200 hundred years ago when communication and travel were enormous obstacles that hindered due process but in today's time this is of no consequence and should be reconsidered.

[CORNholio]

BHO needs to bite the dust(figuratively). An Obama presidency is much scarier than either Hellery or McCain.

Agreed. This is the worst choice of candidates in history. I would rather elect sloth from the goonies than any of these guys. He may not be very smart but atleast i know he is not embodied corruption.

[CORNholio]

BHO needs to bite the dust(figuratively). An Obama presidency is much scarier than either Hellery or McCain.

I would vote McCain as the lesser evil. The man has done much and proven much in his life. Hellery not so much. A POW is more deserving than a coat tail riding, silver spoon born, feminazi.

[SicEmBaylor]

To the contrary, a nation wide vote would make every vote equal. The electoral college is what slants the votes and makes one vote worth more than the other. It was necessary 200 hundred years ago when communication and travel were enormous obstacles that hindered due process but in today's time this is of no consequence and should be reconsidered.

First of all, the electoral college was not designed to be the best means of ensuring every individual vote is of equal weight -- it was designed to give the states power and input on the national level. I couldn't care less about every vote carrying equal weight and personally believe that the expansion of suffrage is one of the greatest evils and threats to the Republic.

My concern with eliminating the Electoral College is the effect it'll have on the delicate balance between the constitutional responsibilities of the states and Federal government. More important than "checks and balances" among the Federal branches, in my opinion, is the ability of the states and Federal government to "check" one another's power. The constitution attempts to delicately balance both vertical and horizontal checks, and unfortunately those vertical checks have been systematically dismantled and eliminated.

People who advocate to dissolution of the electoral college either don't understand or don't care the brilliant but delicate complexity of playing branches and levels of government off on one another.

The Constitution has been shredded enough -- let's not continue to find new ways of continuing to do so.

[SicEmBaylor]

I would vote McCain as the lesser evil. The man has done much and proven much in his life. Hellery not so much. A POW is more deserving than a coat tail riding, silver spoon born, feminazi.

I admire the man's service a great great deal, but how does that make him any better to be a Commander-in-Chief?

[SicEmBaylor]

I see you're the type that just skips any intelligent debate and just gets right to the personal attacks.

Have you even looked at any polling data? McCain has nearly a double digit lead in Florida and Ohio at this point. The more American's learn about BHO, I suspect it will be much, much higher.

Tuba, I've attempted to have a well reasoned debate with you many times but you're version of "well reasoned debate" isn't matching wits -- it's matching the latest bumper sticker slogans.

I'm not sure how anyone who thinks it's witty, funny, and/or intelligent to playoff someone's middle name as a form of commentary on the man's politics can seriously roll their eyes at someone else for personal attacks.

If I wanted to hear your argument then I'd just download the latest RNC press release.

[SicEmBaylor]

honestly, i don't think a dem can pull colorado. I know Obama won the caucus, but Hillary might hold a better chance since she has better hispanic support.

Colorado has been trending left in recent elections. There are several states on that map that I wouldn't normally consider a Democratic win, but the absolute weakness of the party and its lack of unification behind McCain lead me to believe that it'll be enough (albeit barely) to push Obama into the win column.

[CORNholio]

I admire the man's service a great great deal, but how does that make him any better to be a Commander-in-Chief?

A man who has been tested by the pits or war garners much more respect than a woman who has never known anything but luxury, and is more capable of leadership.