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    Conservatives for Obama

    Sounds absurd, right? Not so much...

    I submit for your consideration the possibility that an Obama victory in the fall is the best outcome for the long term health of the conservative movement.

    Let us first acknowledge that the conservative movement is currently in a pretty poor state. For the last 8 years we have had a President that squandered a conservative majority that had us in control of all three branches of government. At best, you could say that the President failed to sufficiently pursuit or achieve a limited-government agenda -- at worst, you could easily argue that the President is not even a conservative (in the sense of believing in the reduction of the Federal government). The Republican Congress was just as guilty as the President by signing off on every program of government expansion in order to "broaden" the base of the Republican party by buying off the electorate with new mandates purely to appeal to certain constituencies that Karl Rove and other advisers believed would strengthen the electoral viability of the party. The Republican Party's abandonment of some of its core principles combined with the rampant corruption and embarrassing escapades of members of Congress and the administration caused the nation to lose faith in the party and our showing in the last election is evidence of that loss of faith.

    There is excellent empirical evidence showing that when a Democratic President governs from the far left, the result is a strong conservative backlash that strengths the Republican Party and rejuvenates conservatism especially the limited-government wing of the party.

    For example, when Lyndon Johnson over-reached with the "Great Society" the "silent majority" of American turned to Richard Nixon who, although not all that conservative, pledged to re-establish law and order and reign in an over-reaching government. When Jimmy Carter's micro-management of the economy brought economic disaster and national embarrassments in foreign affairs, Americans turned to Ronald Reagan and the Regan revolution was born. Finally, Clinton governed from the far-left for his first two years in office which resulted in the 1994 Republican takeover of Congress, the Contract with America, and a conservative renaissance that lasted until 1998 or so.

    McCain's biggest problem is that he's just conservative enough to allow conservatism to limp along in its current state for at least another four years. His Presidency would do absolutely nothing to cause a strengthening and a badly needed rejuvenation of the conservative movement. It's not that I believe he would be a bad President, but I believe the party and the movement need to get back in touch with its principles of limited-government. McCain isn't necessarily at odds with most of those principles, but he isn't the same kind of ideological force that Regan was.

    Conservatives need to bite the bullet this election and realize that it may be better to lose in the short term in exchange for long term gain. It always hurts to lose, but rest assured that a President as liberal as Barack Obama is sure to unite the party and reinforce limited-government activists in a way that a Republican President (especially McCain) simply can not at this time. Every now and then a good blood letting is needed, and the Republican Party certainly needs to bleed a little before it can start to heal.

    This November, have the courage to vote for Barack Obama.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    I am fearful that a near total abandonment of national defense would occur with an Obama presidency. I'll go along with ya and not vote for pres if Hellery is the democrat, but I would feel compelled to vote for McCain if Obama is the dem nominee. At least, that's the way I see it right now.
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    I am fearful that a near total abandonment of national defense would occur with an Obama presidency. I'll go along with ya and not vote for pres if Hellery is the democrat, but I would feel compelled to vote for McCain if Obama is the dem nominee. At least, that's the way I see it right now.
    He's not going to totally abandon national defense. It's absurd to think that, not only would it be the end of his Presidency but it'd likely constitute the end of the Democratic Party for a decade or more. Every President would absolutely defend this nation if attacked, but I don't equate ending a war against a country that didn't attack us or even pose a threat to our territorial integrity as abandoning our national defense.

    Believe it or not, the country can survive 4 years of a Democrat.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor View Post
    He's not going to totally abandon national defense. It's absurd to think that, not only would it be the end of his Presidency but it'd likely constitute the end of the Democratic Party for a decade or more. Every President would absolutely defend this nation if attacked, but I don't equate ending a war against a country that didn't attack us or even pose a threat to our territorial integrity as abandoning our national defense.

    Believe it or not, the country can survive 4 years of a Democrat.
    I am inclined to think he's more extreme than you think he is.
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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    I am inclined to think he's more extreme than you think he is.
    I promise you that if the nation is directly attacked by any nation or group then he will respond militarily and he will almost certainly continue the war in Afghanistan or bring it to an acceptable conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor View Post
    I promise you that if the nation is directly attacked by any nation or group then he will respond militarily and he will almost certainly continue the war in Afghanistan or bring it to an acceptable conclusion.
    I think so, too. But, I don't think he is as capable of military leadership as even Hillary would be. Whatever, he is TOO disturbing to me, whereas Hillary is considerably less fearsome. I would be willing to let her run roughshod, at this point.
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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    I think so, too. But, I don't think he is as capable of military leadership as even Hillary would be. Whatever, he is TOO disturbing to me, whereas Hillary is considerably less fearsome. I would be willing to let her run roughshod, at this point.
    She's faking it. Trust me, there's not a more radical leftist to be found than Hillary Clinton. Hillary is a true-believer who views politics like war that can only be won by the unconditional surrender of the enemy.

    Obama is far far more trust-worthy. In the past, she has talked about nothing but destroying Republicans and conservatism -- he openly wants to bring them into his camp. He's pledged many many times that he wants to bring conservatives into his administration while she just talks about winning.

    Hillary's makeover into a moderate since she joined the Senate has been amazing. I can't believe conservatives actually consider her to be the more acceptable choice.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor View Post
    She's faking it. Trust me, there's not a more radical leftist to be found than Hillary Clinton. Hillary is a true-believer who views politics like war that can only be won by the unconditional surrender of the enemy.

    Obama is far far more trust-worthy. In the past, she has talked about nothing but destroying Republicans and conservatism -- he openly wants to bring them into his camp. He's pledged many many times that he wants to bring conservatives into his administration while she just talks about winning.

    Hillary's makeover into a moderate since she joined the Senate has been amazing. I can't believe conservatives actually consider her to be the more acceptable choice.
    It's just the nat. defense issue that bothers me about Obama. Who doesn't know that Hillary is just as leftist as Obama? IOW, I agree with you in principal. I just think Obama is too dangerous to elect.
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Fair enough. I disagree, but fair enough.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    It's just the nat. defense issue that bothers me about Obama. Who doesn't know that Hillary is just as leftist as Obama? IOW, I agree with you in principal. I just think Obama is too dangerous to elect.
    You do know that Hillary's model for an ideal government is East Germany circa 1968 don't you? But yet you continue to think Obama is more 'leftist'...amazing.
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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor View Post
    I promise you that if the nation is directly attacked by any nation or group then he will respond militarily and he will almost certainly continue the war in Afghanistan or bring it to an acceptable conclusion.
    What were his comments concerning bombing terrorist camps in Pakistan if they were known? I admit I don't remember the full context of those remarks, but I also remember thinking that they displayed an amazing level of naivetee in terms of how he would approach an Islamic state that has been a partner in fighting terrorism AND has a nuclear device.

    That or he's just plain full of ****.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post

    That or he's just plain full of ****.
    I'd say they all are . . .

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Hillary, Obama and McCain are the new axis of evil.

    I don't view Obama or Hillary winning as a good thing for our country (and McCain only slightly better). To me, what's good for our country is more important than parties or ideology.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor View Post
    Trust me, there's not a more radical leftist to be found than Hillary Clinton.
    a truly absurd and indefensible statement.

    has she advocated the abolition of private property, state control of industry?

    i don't care for Hillary but if you are gonna work the student of the history politics angle, statements like this are narrow, inaccurate and embarrassing.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor View Post
    Trust me, there's not a more radical leftist to be found than Hillary Clinton.
    BHO has shown to be more of a radical leftist than Billary ever has. He is one of the MOST liberal Senators, and (with the exception of bombing Pakistan) says time and time again he is pro-white flag.

    No matter how you slice it, they are both isolationist socialists, and electing that will not be good in the long run.

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Widescreen View Post
    Hillary, Obama and McCain are the new axis of evil.

    I don't view Obama or Hillary winning as a good thing for our country (and McCain only slightly better). To me, what's good for our country is more important than parties or ideology.

    Unfortunately, whats good for the country rarely makes it onto a ballot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    What were his comments concerning bombing terrorist camps in Pakistan if they were known? I admit I don't remember the full context of those remarks, but I also remember thinking that they displayed an amazing level of naivetee in terms of how he would approach an Islamic state that has been a partner in fighting terrorism AND has a nuclear device.

    That or he's just plain full of ****.
    He said the same thing Dick Armitage did post 09/11. Basically that if you knowingly harbor Al Qaeda operatives and training facilities and won't do anything about it, we will.

    That doesn't strike me as naive as much as it does trying to cut the head off the snake.

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    "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...32206420070801

    I wonder if he has the position now???

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    Re: Conservatives for Obama

    The next president will probably get two Supreme Court appointment opportunities. I really don't want two more Ginsburgs on the bench.

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