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    You were warned

    January 30, 2008, 0:00 a.m.

    We Were Warned
    The coming of the anti-Clinton was foretold.

    By Jonah Goldberg


    At a briefing for conservative journalists before the State of the Union address, White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten said President Bush isn’t wistful about the close of his presidency and doesn’t foresee a day when he will pine to be back in the Oval Office. Chuckles broke out in the room at the perhaps unintentional comparison to Hillary Clinton’s surrogate-in-chief, who — as with everything else in his life — has decided to make this election year all about him.

    This got me thinking. Bush came into office promising to be the un-Clinton. And in many ways — good and bad — he stayed true to that promise. But as Bush opened the final chapter of his presidency Monday night, the similarities between his tenure and his predecessor’s seem to have finally eclipsed the differences.

    Despite his relative popularity, President Clinton was largely a disaster for his party. He campaigned as a “different kind of Democrat” and helped marginalize the “progressive” wing of his party. During his term, Democrats lost control of both houses of Congress. Clinton’s “third way” philosophy and triangulating tactics kept his approval ratings high but at the expense of moving the country to the right on various social and economic issues. Ronald Reagan would have proudly notched Clinton’s signature accomplishments — welfare reform and passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement — on his six-guns. And he would have been giddy to proclaim, “The era of big government is over,” as Clinton did in his 1996 State of the Union address.

    Now look at Bush’s tenure. He ran in 2000 as a “different kind of Republican.” And just as Clinton moved rightward on race and big-government liberalism, Bush tacked leftward toward the center on race and small-government conservatism. In a bipartisan deal with Ted Kennedy, he federalized education policy — something even Richard Nixon opposed. (Nixon loved big government, for the record.)

    Substantively, Bush has some abiding conservative accomplishments on judicial appointments and tax cuts. But rhetorically, his compassionate conservatism reversed a generation-long stance on the need to curtail the ambitions of government, just as Clinton’s New Democrat rhetoric abdicated liberalism’s decades-long campaign for a European-style welfare state. Bush in effect conceded the liberal complaint that small government was objectively hardhearted, while Clinton conceded the conservative complaint that orthodox liberalism was too utopian.

    For Bush, the true measure of good governance wasn’t liberating the American people from an over-weaning welfare state. Rather, activist government became the very definition of good government. And with such ideological markers in place, it was inevitable that government would expand and the ostensible conservatives in Congress would disintegrate into a gaggle of self-serving appropriators.

    Indeed, since 1999, the federal budget has expanded by more than $1 trillion. And while Republicans, now in the minority, suddenly claim a newfound hatred for pork-barrel spending, nobody thinks twice about the fact that the GOP oversaw the largest expansion of the government since the Great Society. Monday night, Bush talked a big game about empowering and liberating the American people. But the most appropriate response to such assurances is, “Now you tell us?”

    Bush’s speech marked the beginning of the home stretch of the first back-to-back eight-year presidencies since 1824. So the hunger for “change” on both sides of the ideological aisle shouldn’t be much of a surprise.

    But that desire for change is also a product of ideological confusion on the left and the right. Clinton left office insisting that he’d restored liberalism in America, but in reality he bequeathed a confused mishmash of ill-formed ideas, slogans and hatreds. President Bush is winding down his presidency much the same way, talking about limited government, personal liberty, and spending restraint, but he’s left his party’s troops scattered across the battlefield, with no overarching strategy and an awful lot of friendly fire.

    Rush Limbaugh, for example, promises that if either John McCain or Mike Huckabee gets the nomination, it will “destroy the Republican party.” The Wall Street Journal’s Peggy Noonan replies that, “This is absurd. George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party, by which I mean he sundered it, broke its constituent pieces apart and set them against each other. He did this on spending, the size of government, war, the ability to prosecute war, immigration and other issues.”

    I’m sympathetic to both positions. Limbaugh is right that Huckabee and McCain might lead the party further from its limited-government roots. Noonan is right that Bush let the horse out of the barn long ago. But both complaints overlook a simple fact: We were warned. Bush and Clinton promised to be different kinds of leaders. And they delivered.

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    Rush Limbaugh, for example, promises that if either John McCain or Mike Huckabee gets the nomination, it will “destroy the Republican party.”
    Rush really thinks that? Who has he endorsed? Romney?

    IMO McCain or Huckabee could do no worse at messing with the republican party than Bush has done.

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    McCain won't destroy the GOP. McCain is no big gubment liberal.

    If anything, he can help the GOP return to majority status.

    Besides, national security issues should be the #1 issue while we have troops deployed overseas. And McCain will slaughter Billary and Hussein on that issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner_Bob
    IMO McCain or Huckabee could do no worse at messing with the republican party than Bush has done.
    True dat
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    If anything, McCain can bring back moderates that Bush's administration has alienated. That may be to the chagrin of staunch conservatives, but it's a pick your poison deal, IMO.

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    Re: You were warned

    Who do you think McCain's running mate would be if he wins the Republican nomination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner_Bob
    Who do you think McCain's running mate would be if he wins the Republican nomination?
    Huckabee, to secure the Evangelical right.

    It could be Lieberman, and I'd like that ticket, but I think McCain already appeals enough to Independents to where the gain would be marginal. And Lieberman has alienated much of the left, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner_Bob
    Who do you think McCain's running mate would be if he wins the Republican nomination?

    I'd have to say Rudy but he'd be better off trying to get Romney for National success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner_Bob
    Who do you think McCain's running mate would be if he wins the Republican nomination?
    Interesting...I think it has to be someone considerably younger, someone with rock-solid conservative credentials to appease those that question McCain's track record on that (like me), but who could it be....?
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    McCain will bankrupt the country by letting illegals in and giving them social security benefits.
    Everything progressives do is aimed at weakening democracy, capitalism and the social and cultural institutions that support those things...... They are about subjugating people and being a ruling class.

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    Liberal Stuff Re: You were warned

    Words out that Edwards will drop out.

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    Re: You were warned

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHumanAlphabet
    McCain will bankrupt the country by starting a war with Iran.
    That's my fear. I like his domestic policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r5TPsooner
    I'd have to say Rudy but he'd be better off trying to get Romney for National success.
    I figure he'd pick Rudy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHumanAlphabet
    McCain will bankrupt the country by letting illegals in and giving them social security benefits.
    How about Tom Tancredo for a VP then?
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    Re: You were warned

    How about Elizabeth Dole?
    "The true genius shudders at incompleteness and usually prefers silence to saying something which is not everything it should Be."
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    Re: You were warned

    Quote Originally Posted by StoopTroup
    I figure he'd pick Rudy.
    I think true conservatives might run from that ticket like wildfire...

    ...or just choose to stay home on election day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curly Bill
    I think true conservatives might run from that ticket like wildfire...

    ...or just choose to stay home on election day.

    Yep but me thinketh McCain could give a rats azz what the conservative Repubs think.
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    Re: You were warned

    I'm sure he'll pick Ron Paul.

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    Re: You were warned

    What about...drum roll please...Newt Gingrich!
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    Quote Originally Posted by r5TPsooner
    Yep but me thinketh McCain could give a rats azz what the conservative Repubs think.
    That's prolly true, and if so it might come back to bite him in his arse.
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