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    Turkey Recalls Ambassador

    I don't get it. As much as we rely on Turkey for mid-east logistics, why in the world would this be a desirable resolution?

    Can someone 'splain por favor?





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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Turkey has recalled its ambassador to the United States in response to a House resolution that would call the World War I massacre of Armenians by Turkish forces genocide, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said Thursday.
    U.S. Air Force planes prepare to take off from Incirlik Airbase in Turkey in this file photo.





    The House Committee on Foreign Affairs passed the measure 27-21 Wednesday, even though President Bush and key administration figures lobbied hard against it. The full House is expected to vote on it, possibly Friday.
    A top Turkish official warned Thursday that consequences "won't be pleasant" if the full House approves the resolution.
    "Yesterday some in Congress wanted to play hardball," said Egemen Bagis, foreign policy adviser to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. "I can assure you Turkey knows how to play hardball."
    Asked about Ambassador Nabi Sensoy's recall after the news broke, a State Department spokesman said he could not confirm it. "People are sometimes called back for consultation; sometimes they're called back for other reasons," said spokesman Tom Casey.
    "If they wanted to bring their ambassador back for consultations or do something else, that is their decision. I certainly think that it will not do anything to limit our efforts to continue to reach out to Turkish officials, to explain our views, to engage them on this issue and again to make clear that we intend to work on this with Congress."
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    Casey and White House spokeswoman Dana Perinosaid they both would like to see the resolution withdrawn without a vote by the full House. However, Casey said, "I don't think anyone is expecting that to happen at this point."
    Democratic leaders said earlier if the Foreign Affairs Committee passed the resolution, they intended to bring it to the House floor. Watch why the resolution stirs strong emotions »
    The House was not in session Thursday because of the funeral of Rep. Jo Ann Davis of Virginia, who died Saturday. Members may vote on the resolution Friday.
    Turkey, a NATO member, has been a key U.S. ally in the Middle East and a conduit for sending supplies into Iraq.
    Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that good relations with Turkey are vital because 70 percent of the air cargo intended for U.S. forces in Iraq and 30 percent of the fuel consumed by those forces fly through Turkey.
    U.S. commanders "believe clearly that access to airfields and roads and so on in Turkey would very much be put at risk if this resolution passes and the Turks react as strongly as we believe they will," Gates said.
    Bagis said no French planes have flown through Turkish airspace since a French Parliament committee passed a similar resolution last year.
    He said the response to the U.S. might not be the same, but warned if the full House passes it that "we will do something, and I can promise you it won't be pleasant."
    Bagis spoke to reporters while in Washington to attend a meeting of the Carnegie Endowment.
    In a statement on his Web site, Turkish President Abdullah Gul said the resolution was "unacceptable" and "doesn't fit a major power like the United States."
    In a letter to Bush, Gul warned that "in the case that Armenian allegations are accepted, there will be serious problems in the relations between the two countries."
    "We still hope that common sense will prevail and that the House of Representatives will not move this resolution any further," the Turkish Foreign Ministry Web site said.
    The vote was also strongly criticized by Turkish newspapers, The Associated Press reported. "Bill of Hatred," said Hurriyet's front page, while Vatan's headline read "27 Foolish Americans."
    Casey said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice planned to speak with the Turkish foreign minister about the issue later Thursday and had requested calls with Erdogan and Gul.
    State Department spokesman Sean McCormack issued a statement expressing "regret" for the committee's action, warning the resolution "may do grave harm to U.S.-Turkish relations and to U.S. interests in Europe and the Middle East."
    The nonbinding House resolution said the deportation of nearly 2 million Armenians from the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1923, resulting in the deaths of 1.5 million of them, amounted to "genocide."
    Turks strongly reject the genocide label, insisting there was no organized campaign against the Armenians and that many Turks also died in the chaos and violence of the period.
    Sensoy said the resolution's passage would be a "very injurious move to the psyche of the Turkish people."
    He predicted a backlash in the country, saying there would be setbacks on several fronts: Turkish-American relations, Turkish-Armenian relations and the normalization of relations between the nations of Turkey and Armenia.
    The resolution's sponsor, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, said the measure already had 226 co-sponsors, more than enough votes to pass "and the most support an Armenian genocide resolution has ever received."
    A similar resolution passed the committee by a 40-7 vote two years ago, but it never reached the full House floor.




    The resolution arrives at a particularly sensitive point in U.S.-Turkish relations. The United States has urged Turkey not to send its troops over the border into northern Iraq to fight Kurdish separatist rebels, who have launched some cross-border attacks against Turkish targets.
    Observers of U.S.-Turkish relations have argued the House resolution could make Turkey less inclined to use restraint in dealing with its longstanding problems with the Kurdistan Workers

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    I have never understood why congress spends so much time dicking around with non-binding resolutions on completely meaningless issues such as this one.
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    maybe it's because they want to **** off the Turks to make the war harder to fight??

    did the Armenians come out and say something and ask the US and France's opinion or something?

    there isn't a lot about this that makes sense to me.

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    I just didn't think Mr. Butterball was cutting it.
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    While I believe there was an Armenian Genocide, why do this when the only thing it can do is hurt American national security. The Turks are about a heart beat away from invading Northern Iraq to get at the PKK fighters.

    I'm surprised that the Turks haven't introduced a non binding resolution condemning the genocide of the Indians by the US government in the 1800's. How is the Armenian Genocide any different then the Trail of Tears other than they were 100 years a part?
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    Congress am idiots
    You tell me it's the institution. Well, you know, you'd better free your mind instead.
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    On a side note, there really isn't a more unfortunately located group of people than the Armenians, except for maybe the Poles. But the Armenians generally got a worse deal than the Poles did.
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    Big lobby. Not the first time a politician has cast a vote to get more than cast a vote to protect national interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royalfan5
    On a side note, there really isn't a more unfortunately located group of people than the Armenians, except for maybe the Poles. But the Armenians generally got a worse deal than the Poles did.
    I think the Indians would disagree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy885
    I think the Indians would disagree with you.
    The Indians weren't trapped between too much bigger country's that hated them either. The Armenians got genocided from both directions.
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    US, Spain, England, to name a few. They lost control of two continents and had their culture almost completely destroyed by people who thought they were subhuman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy885
    US, Spain, England, to name a few. They lost control of two continents and had their culture almost completely destroyed by people who thought they were subhuman.
    That really has nothing to do with their location though. They were much more favorable located than the Armenians were.
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    The Armenians at least still have a country. What Indian tribe still is an independent nation?
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    Turkeys have that stuff in them what makes you wanna sleep. Acetominophen or sumpin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Widescreen
    Turkeys have that stuff in them what makes you wanna sleep. Acetominophen or sumpin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by royalfan5
    That really has nothing to do with their location though. They were much more favorable located than the Armenians were.
    yeah, at least the Spaniards, et, al... needed boats to get to them

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy885
    The Armenians at least still have a country. What Indian tribe still is an independent nation?
    Again, the fact that no tribe exists as an independent nation has no real bearing on locational factors. Plus you could make the argument that some other South American nations are essential dominated by indigenous people now.
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    The key difference for modern times, my friends, between the Armenian situation and the Indian situation, is that the American treatment of the Indians is taught in schools, widely acknowledged and despised, and in active discourse to continue to repair the damage done.

    The Turks deny a genocide happened, and further restrict the rights of those who say it did happen. When the Microsoft Encarta encyclopedia was being produced, it was to include a section on the Armenian genocide. The government of Turkey threatened to arrest all Microsoft employees in Turkey if it was published. (And this is the sort of stuff the EU wants in???)

    Now, that's not to say that the US House's move was a smart one, or to what degree we should remain pragmatic. But the fact is that Turkey continues to be a bunch of bastards on this issue.
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    I have Turkish friends and am a big believer of keeping good relations with that region's only stable democracy, but it's long past time that the Turks came to grips with this issue. An honest dialogue about what happened in that period would do much more for their world standing than trying to quelch any mention of it.

    This should not be construed as an endorsement of the House's action. Once again Congress is meddling where it doesn't belong.

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    tryptophan makes me sleepy
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