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How can we STOP ABORTIONS?
Require that they be performed by using guns.
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At minimum they should cost the same as having a child...most people wouldnt spend that amount of money and have nothing in return..if anything it would decrease the overall amount.
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sooneriniowa
At minimum they should cost the same as having a child...most people wouldnt spend that amount of money and have nothing in return..if anything it would decrease the overall amount.
hey hey! Then, the democrats might be more amenable to tightening border security. More money coming to govt. coffers, through taxes if the doctors have to pay more taxes from their increased income. Also, the democrat pregnant females could have an American born future democrat voter. Fewer illegals coming in, and the democrats still get additional voters. It's all good!
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Abortions are most often performed on minority/low-income out of wedlock teenage mothers. Those kids will probably grow up to become criminals....sometimes murderers. The state and honest taxpayers not only suffer as a direct result of their crime but they suffer as well with having to cover the cost of their prosecution and incarceration. I don't like having my **** stolen, being mugged, or killed.
I find abortion to be disgusting and abhorrent, but if the people doing it or disgusting and abhorrent themselves then I don't get too worked up about it.
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SicEmBaylor
Abortions are most often performed on minority/low-income out of wedlock teenage mothers. Those kids will probably grow up to become criminals....sometimes murderers. The state and honest taxpayers not only suffer as a direct result of their crime but they suffer as well with having to cover the cost of their prosecution and incarceration. I don't like having my **** stolen, being mugged, or killed.
I find abortion to be disgusting and abhorrent, but if the people doing it or disgusting and abhorrent themselves then I don't get too worked up about it.
Whether joke or not. RED SPEK FOR YOU!
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Just keepin' it real. The country doesn't need more crack babies.
I mean who is supposed to care for and support these low-income out of wedlock children? Private charities are already stretched to the limit and they're not exactly doing a cracker jack job of ensuring these type of children grow up in a safe and positive environment.
Is the government supposed to do it? Why should the US taxpayers have to flip the bill to help pay for the raising of a kid every time some stupid teenage girl spreads her legs? And it isn't as if government programs are doing a crackerjack job either.
So, I ask, as abhorrent as the practice of abortion is -- who is going to raise and take care of all these kids? It's easy to say abortion is immoral and should be stopped but where is the support going to come from once they're born? Because most of these mothers sure as hell aren't coming from stable financially secure homes.
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SicEmBaylor
Just keepin' it real. The country doesn't need more crack babies.
I mean who is supposed to care for and support these low-income out of wedlock children? Private charities are already stretched to the limit and they're not exactly doing a cracker jack job of ensuring these type of children grow up in a safe and positive environment.
Is the government supposed to do it? Why should the US taxpayers have to flip the bill to help pay for the raising of a kid every time some stupid teenage girl spreads her legs? And it isn't as if government programs are doing a crackerjack job either.
So, I ask, as abhorrent as the practice of abortion is -- who is going to raise and take care of all these kids? It's easy to say abortion is immoral and should be stopped but where is the support going to come from once they're born? Because most of these mothers sure as hell aren't coming from stable financially secure homes.
Let the chips lie where they may.
As much as I admire your political stance, I have no admiration of your belief in the one who gives life. These problems are not for you to solve.
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Abortion is absolute Murder. The worst kind of murder.
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SicEmBaylor
Abortions are most often performed on minority/low-income out of wedlock teenage mothers. Those kids will probably grow up to become criminals....sometimes murderers. The state and honest taxpayers not only suffer as a direct result of their crime but they suffer as well with having to cover the cost of their prosecution and incarceration. I don't like having my **** stolen, being mugged, or killed.
I find abortion to be disgusting and abhorrent, but if the people doing it or disgusting and abhorrent themselves then I don't get too worked up about it.
Nice card..
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jonen...rtificate3.jpg
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SicEmBaylor
Abortions are most often performed on minority/low-income out of wedlock teenage mothers. Those kids will probably grow up to become criminals....sometimes murderers. The state and honest taxpayers not only suffer as a direct result of their crime but they suffer as well with having to cover the cost of their prosecution and incarceration. I don't like having my **** stolen, being mugged, or killed.
I find abortion to be disgusting and abhorrent, but if the people doing it or disgusting and abhorrent themselves then I don't get too worked up about it.
Actually the easy answer is sexy education and contraception use with easy access to said contraceptions.
The thing is the religious-right has this idea that this isn't really a free country and having sex is a privilege granted to those in a state supported marriage. This is why there's so much "abstinence only" education, that we know is a failure. In fact children who receive such education are more likely to have unprotected sex.
What's really funny is these folks would rather pay billions in food stamps, Medicaid, section 8, and the justice system (majority of criminals come from single parent and broken homes) than for the $0.75 condom that could've saved so much trouble.
This is what happens when idiotic religious dogma tries to force itself into government. Christians, you're probably a little upset but it's true. Your religion is anti-sex. Go back to St. Augustine, who helped shape modern Christian views, and you'll see how he felt sex was the reason for the downfall of man and source of our sin.
I mean the Catholic Church had sex cops that would burn people at the stack if the wife was on top.
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Blue
Let the chips lie where they may.
As much as I admire your political stance, I have no admiration of your belief in the one who gives life. These problems are not for you to solve.
Unless you believe in more benefits for children in poverty, you're even worse than SicEm.
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I'm with SicEm on this one!
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I'm with Sic 'Em, MR2, and to some extent Mid on this one...
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Fraggle145
I'm with Sic 'Em, MR2, and to some extent Mid on this one...
Yup, If yer gonna Kill a Kid , Kill a Poor one.
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Fraggle145
I'm with Sic 'Em, MR2, and to some extent Mid on this one...
I haven't posted yet, so how do you already agree? :)
I don't really have an opinion as to whether abortion = killing anything because explaining when life begins is about the same as stating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin--and if that's all I've got for explaining that, I can't imagine stating that the government can dictate the medical care available to women based on my guess that there might be life.
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Midtowner
I haven't posted yet, so how do you already agree? :)
I don't really have an opinion as to whether abortion = killing anything because explaining when life begins is about the same as stating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin--and if that's all I've got for explaining that, I can't imagine stating that the government can dictate the medical care available to women based on my guess that there might be life.
I meant with what you said above.
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Unless you believe in more benefits for children in poverty, you're even worse than SicEm.
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Christian-based ideals and abstinence doesn't work with secular parentless heathens. No amount of personal responsibility measure will work with secular parentless heathens. They're heathens.
What type of sex ed that works for animals that eat M&M's for lunch, doesn't really concern me or need to infiltrate my child's life. You want to throw condoms at the heathens...fine, just keep it away from my kids.
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olevetonahill
Yup, If yer gonna Kill a Kid , Kill a Poor one.
Not what I am saying. If you are going to ensure that millions of poor children come into this world you should have some way to provide for them.
Killing them slow is more cruel than doing it quick.
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SicEmBaylor
Abortions are most often performed on minority/low-income out of wedlock teenage mothers. Those kids will probably grow up to become criminals....sometimes murderers. The state and honest taxpayers not only suffer as a direct result of their crime but they suffer as well with having to cover the cost of their prosecution and incarceration. I don't like having my **** stolen, being mugged, or killed.
I find abortion to be disgusting and abhorrent, but if the people doing it or disgusting and abhorrent themselves then I don't get too worked up about it.
WHAT! You're against life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
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sappstuf
So, let's hear more about this Eugene guy...and, why isn't it called Eugenism, or Eugeneology?
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Fraggle145
Not what I am saying. If you are going to ensure that millions of poor children come into this world you should have some way to provide for them.
Killing them slow is more cruel than doing it quick.
:encouragement:
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Midtowner
I don't really have an opinion as to whether abortion = killing anything because explaining when life begins is about the same as stating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin--
man, you know THAT IS a TRICKY ONE! The fertilized egg(zygote) could be something other than a new life. Heck yes, it could be just an amorphous blob. Or, a protein mass, or a preteen mass.
Could also be a Tricky Situation, or a Difficult Configuration, or maybe just a Can of Worms.
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RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
man, you know THAT IS a TRICKY ONE! The fertilized egg(zygote) could be something other than a new life. Heck yes, it could be just an amorphous blob. Or, a protein mass, or a preteen mass.
Could also be a Tricky Situation, or a Difficult Configuration.
Exactly.
And you don't know otherwise.
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Hey Matlock, 3 in one morning aint gonna get me red Boy , Ya need to get busy.
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This is where I part with my brethren and side with the infidels. Abortion is not a pleasant business, but I believe a woman should have the final say.
My experiences in life have also shown me the effects rampant unwed, unplanned pregnancy has on society. I don't hold with the view that its only the poorest that use abortion services. I'd say its really a decent cross-section of society.
If you really want to ponder something interesting, some Yale professor wrote up a very interesting study tracking the drop in crime that began in the late 80s and continued till these days with the Roe v Wade decision. About 14 years after abortions became legal again, crime began to drop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imp...rtion_on_Crime
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cleller
This is where I part with my brethren and side with the infidels. Abortion is not a pleasant business, but I believe a woman should have the final say.
My experiences in life have also shown me the effects rampant unwed, unplanned pregnancy has on society. I don't hold with the view that its only the poorest that use abortion services. I'd say its really a decent cross-section of society.
If you really want to ponder something interesting, some Yale professor wrote up a very interesting study tracking the drop in crime that began in the late 80s and continued till these days with the Roe v Wade decision. About 14 years after abortions became legal again, crime began to drop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imp...rtion_on_Crime
Yup, this is where I'm at. And the drop in crime dealio relating to abortion is not surprising to me.
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Fraggle145
Not what I am saying. If you are going to ensure that millions of poor children come into this world you should have some way to provide for them.
Killing them slow is more cruel than doing it quick.
We should at least be consistent in our pursuit of saving money as a nation, and not allow illegal border entry and subsidizing with medical care etc.
Getting real: abortion was made legal to allow for sex without financial consequences, ignoring that one is committing murder in order to do so. no biggee.
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cleller
This is where I part with my brethren and side with the infidels. Abortion is not a pleasant business, but I believe a woman should have the final say.
My experiences in life have also shown me the effects rampant unwed, unplanned pregnancy has on society. I don't hold with the view that its only the poorest that use abortion services. I'd say its really a decent cross-section of society.
If you really want to ponder something interesting, some Yale professor wrote up a very interesting study tracking the drop in crime that began in the late 80s and continued till these days with the Roe v Wade decision. About 14 years after abortions became legal again, crime began to drop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imp...rtion_on_Crime
genocide for the win
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olevetonahill
Hey Matlock, 3 in one morning aint gonna get me red Boy , Ya need to get busy.
It'll take time, but we'll get ya there :)
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Midtowner
It'll take time, but we'll get ya there :)
Keep it up I love it. I aint cryin and whinin like you an H 2-0
Give me all ya want
Oh and what does asdf stand for?
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I agree with SicEm, yet again.
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Midtowner
I haven't posted yet, so how do you already agree? :)
I don't really have an opinion as to whether abortion = killing anything because explaining when life begins is about the same as stating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin--and if that's all I've got for explaining that, I can't imagine stating that the government can dictate the medical care available to women based on my guess that there might be life.
High risk pregnancy specialist, Dr. Steve Calvin, in a letter some years ago to the Arizona Daily Star, wrote, “There is inescapable schizophrenia in aborting a perfectly normal 22 week fetus while at the same hospital, performing intra-uterine surgery on its cousin.” When the unborn are wanted, they are treated as children and patients. When they are not wanted, they are not children. We know what we are doing. From Blue's link.
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OU68
High risk pregnancy specialist, Dr. Steve Calvin, in a letter some years ago to the Arizona Daily Star, wrote, “There is inescapable schizophrenia in aborting a perfectly normal 22 week fetus while at the same hospital, performing intra-uterine surgery on its cousin.” When the unborn are wanted, they are treated as children and patients. When they are not wanted, they are not children. We know what we are doing. From Blue's link.
I don't really see the same disconnect. Some folks want kids, others don't. That said, abortions at 22 weeks are very rare.
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Expect better behavior out of people.
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Midtowner
I don't really see the same disconnect. Some folks want kids, others don't. That said, abortions at 22 weeks are very rare.
So it is a baby if the mother wants it and just a clump of cells if she doesn't?
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Midtowner
I don't really see the same disconnect. Some folks want kids, others don't. That said, abortions at 22 weeks are very rare.
The fetal heart beat starts at about 5 to 6 weeks. I bet a fair number of abortions are prerformed then.
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4922954...eart-beat.html
I bet just publically paying for and passing out more birth control will decrease and stop abortions.....and if you really believe that then you might be a progressive.
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FaninAma
A fair number are performed before and after. Again, a beating heart doesn't mean anything more than filtering kidneys, a working liver, etc. etc.
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sappstuf
So it is a baby if the mother wants it and just a clump of cells if she doesn't?
If you're talking about in utero surgery, it's a clump of cells being operated on in order to maintain a viable pregnancy. It ain't a child 'til it's born.
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Midtowner
If you're talking about in utero surgery, it's a clump of cells being operated on in order to maintain a viable pregnancy. It ain't a child 'til it's born.
Shouldnt you have added IMHO after that statement?
Now you a stickler fer the Law and such, If its Not a child until its Born, Why are peeps tried for 2 Murder's when they kill a Pregnant woman and the Baby dies?