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Here's another program soaking up 2-star DT and DE recruits

Discussion in 'Recruiting' started by Tear Down This Wall, Nov 26, 2013.


  1. Scott D

    Scott D SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    All one has to do is look at the individual list. We don't pull many kids out of the area that most of Bama's recruits are. Maybe "one that got away" is the alleged 4 star Juco DT they have on their list....but as we know Jucos are a crapshoot. You can end up with a Torrance Marshall, or you can end up with a Chris Patterson.
     
  2. 8timechamps

    8timechamps Administrator

    I'm done with any kind of recruiting conversation with TDTW. He's a "sorta follow" recruiting kind of guy, which means he really has no clue how it works. Not trying to be a dick, just calling it like I see it. If you guys want to spend time trying to inform him, good luck.
     
  3. Scott D

    Scott D SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    you're being generous with the "sorta follow" ;)
     
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  4. Since71ASooner4Life

    Since71ASooner4Life Active Member


    Exactly. We can rationalize all we want, by pointing to successful 3 star guys, but the fact is that far greater percentage of 5-star kids amount to something than do 3 star kids. Not sure exactly what all the reasons are for our drop off in recruiting, but I suspect some of the no heart beat downs we've suffered in bowl games is one factor. The 5-star kids flocking to Alabama aren't going there looking to restore the program to elite status. Not sure what we have to do to get out of the mess we're in, but we are in fact in a compromised position in the recruiting battles these days
     
  5. jkm  the stolen pifwafwi

    jkm the stolen pifwafwi SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    What about his other 2 handles in this thread. Are you through with them as well?
     
  6. 8timechamps

    8timechamps Administrator

    Well, sometimes, it's more fun to just watch.
     
  7. jkm  the stolen pifwafwi

    jkm the stolen pifwafwi SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    It is just kind of funny when you have 2 posters come in and skip 10 posts and then say almost the exact same thing as the OP. Obvious trolls are obvious.
     
  8. 8timechamps

    8timechamps Administrator

    ESPN Tom Luginbill was asked a question by a Baylor fan. The question was: "What's been Baylor's recruiting secret that helped turn them into a championship contender?"

    I'll post his response, but it could be applied to recruiting in general. In the future, when someone starts a thread like this, I'm just going to post this reply:

     
  9. SoonerorLater

    SoonerorLater Well-Known Member

    I really don't disagree with what Luginbill says though I really don't follow ESPN recruiting much. Baylor might have that luxury for now, OU doesn't. I would also say that Briles would be the prototype fit for such a strategy and even so it will eventually catch up with him if he has continued success. He is from a state that many would consider the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. He is a home grown, up through the ranks guy who is the ultimate insider with a network of Texas high school coaches. Briles runs a program that captures the imagination of players who a few short years ago would have ended up at other programs.

    IMO this just isn't viable plan for OU. We need to leverage our prestige as one of the greatest programs of all time. Great athletic programs do this all the time. Alabama in football. Kansas and Kentucky in basketball so some coaches are able to recruit to historical greatness. We need to be one of those programs. The SEC sure recruits around here. We have already dropped the second and third top Oklahoma recruits to the SEC and have a good chance of dropping the number one recruit. We have only landed 3 of the top 10 in-state recruits. OSU has been as successful as we have been this year. If we can't land the top recruits in state then we are hosed.
     
  10. jkm  the stolen pifwafwi

    jkm the stolen pifwafwi SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    OU has NEVER been successful landing the top in state recruits. Even when Switzer was there, ND was able to nab Tony and Reggie Brooks.
     
  11. SoonerorLater

    SoonerorLater Well-Known Member

    I think we are going to have to disagree on this one. When I look back on the best teams that Switzer had
    I see it littered with big time in state recruits. Just look at the guys from Oklahoma that Switzer had on the 74-75 championship teams. Lee Roy Selmon, Dewey Selmon, Karl Baldischwiler, Rod Shoate, Randy Hughes, Tinker Owens, Sammy Jack Claphan, Jimbo Elrod, Tony Peters. These were great players. All of them had multi-year NFL careers so I would say Switzer had pretty good results in Oklahoma.
     
  12. jkm  the stolen pifwafwi

    jkm the stolen pifwafwi SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    Couple of things here:
    1. Switzer recruited the Selmon bros in the last year of unlimited scholarships (1972). It was between us and Colorado but that is neither here nor there (as they were pretty good then).
    2. The rest of these guys were recruited in a period of 105 scholarships. His general plan was to take the 15 best instate every year and then go to texas for the other 15-20. This worked until 1979-80 when the scholarship limit was lowered to 95. For the first 2 years he continued this strategy but the results were not up to snuff (9-3) where he dropped the instate totals to 10. Bob Stoops only has 85 which means that given the trend, he can't afford to get more than 5-7 instate every year.
    3. Recruiting Oklahoma outside of a few positions is tough as crap.
      1. There are a lot of kids who don't fill out until they turn 19. This means that guys like Jeremy Shockey don't get offered out of high school and then add 6 inches and 40 lbs their first year at juco or Justin Blackmon who gained 4 inches and 30 lbs. It takes someone who KNOWS Oklahoma to recruit it.
      2. We produce a lot of "unconventional" football players. Guys like Wes Welker and Paul Smith and Antonio Perkins. They aren't prototype speed/size but they have such high football IQs that they are really really good players. It takes someone who KNOWS Oklahoma players to trust that they can translate it to the next level.
      3. The top ranked kids tend to bust because they don't handle the transition to college very easily. For whatever reason, they, as big fish, can't handle the transfer from a small pond to a big pond. For every Gerald McCoy there is a dusty loveless and a Bryan Pickryl.
     
  13. 8timechamps

    8timechamps Administrator

    I don't disagree with what you're saying, but the reason I posted Luginbill's response was because I think for the average recruit followers, it addresses why there is no need to think "the sky is falling" because we opt to sign 2 or 3 star guys. The point is that we recruit the best player for the position, which isn't always the best perceived player.

    As for what the SEC has done in Oklahoma, I'm not concerned. OU decided to go with Hansen at QB, and never really looked Cornwell's direction. Then, Cornwell ends up getting hurt, and I'm not sure he'll ever be a stater for the Tide. While there's a chance Parker goes to A&M, I'd be very shocked if that happened.

    As for OSU, so far the best player they've landed (Devin Thomas) was an OU commit who's offer was pulled. They currently have another commit (Brailford) that would flip in a heartbeat if OU made an offer. They are not recruiting as successfully as OU is this year. Or any other year.

    Back to the original point though, OU has always brought in players that weren't 4 or 5 star kids. This is not a new occurrence. What amazes me is that there is a small sect of Sooner fans that continue to flip out (year in and year out) over these commits. The last national title was won with these types of players. Numerous conference titles have been won with these types of players. Yet, that small group of fans will continue to only look at the stars next to a kids name, and make predictions before the kid ever steps foot on campus. Just kinda nuts.
     
  14. Sooner Sig Ep

    Sooner Sig Ep New Member

    [ Yet, that small group of fans will continue to only look at the stars next to a kids name, and make predictions before the kid ever steps foot on campus. Just kinda nuts.[/QUOTE]


    ...same folks who buy stocks based on an analyst's upgrade to "outperform"..:)
     
  15. dwarthog

    dwarthog Well-Known Member

    I propose that we do what folks accused the gent of doing down in Texas who was rating the Texas high school prospects. (I can't recall his name and I haven't heard anything about this practice for a while now). Which was to "add" a star for wisely committing to Texas.

    So for recruits who wisely choose the OU program, add a star. Problem solved.... :)
     
  16. In honor of the OP and as an act of defiance, I am going to rate this thread 2 stars! See the difference between a 5 start thread and a 2 star?!
     
  17. C&CDean

    C&CDean Administrator

    2 stars? Way too high.
     
  18. SoonerorLater

    SoonerorLater Well-Known Member

    Yes any thread I post on is automatically a 2 star thread. Just my absence would bump this to a high 3 star / low 4 star. See I told you this ranking stuff works.:lemo:
     
  19. 8timechamps

    8timechamps Administrator


    ...same folks who buy stocks based on an analyst's upgrade to "outperform"..:)[/QUOTE]

    I've been a broker for nearly 20 years, so that made me laugh more than you think. Well played.
     
  20. Sooner Sig Ep

    Sooner Sig Ep New Member

    I've been a broker for nearly 20 years, so that made me laugh more than you think. Well played.[/QUOTE]


    Ha. Small world.... I've been in the biz for 15 myself...
     
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