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Gun control UN style..

Discussion in 'TrumpFest 2016' started by Soonerjeepman, Jun 3, 2013.


  1. Soonerjeepman

    Soonerjeepman SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    at least on dem...the one and only Harry Reid, secured 60 MILLION to build a really cool shooting range near Vegas.

    DD, I agree, it is paranoia, but it's fueled by Obama and the left's crazy talk of gun laws and ammo restriction. Like Vet said, if ya can't get the guns for the ammo.

    I know you shoot, we've discussed before. The whole point of THIS thread was to show that Kerry...and the admin are going against what congress who represents US wants to do with the UN.
     
  2. Midtowner

    Midtowner New Member

    Crazy talk about things like background checks and limits for magazines. Oh TEH HORRORS!
     
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  3. olevetonahill

    olevetonahill Well-Known Member

    WE already have Background checks, Why do we need more? What size magazines would you allow?
     
  4. Harry Beanbag

    Harry Beanbag SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    It shouldn't have. It was the same way four years ago. I'm not actively looking for ammo right now, I have enough for now, just not shooting much these days. I was at Walmart the other day getting a fishing license and just happened to notice they had a few boxes of .45 on the shelf so I took one as an impulse buy.

    The way I look at it, people should be allowed to buy what they want, irrationally or otherwise. Your anecdotal evidence of 50,000 round hoarders aside, who cares? You have just as good a chance of buying it as they do, maybe they just work harder at it.

    Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I don't really believe the supply and demand is causing the shortage any more than I believe the price of a barrel of oil or supply and demand is still causing high gas prices though.
     
  5. Harry Beanbag

    Harry Beanbag SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    Stop feeding the trolls!
     
  6. olevetonahill

    olevetonahill Well-Known Member

    matlock a Troll? Color me shocked. I thot he was just a retard
     
  7. Midtowner

    Midtowner New Member

    The better question is why not?
     
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  8. olevetonahill

    olevetonahill Well-Known Member

    No Dumas the Better question is Why dont you ever ANSWER a question? How would you Change the background checks? How many rounds would you be willing to allow in a Magazine? IF you had the power /Authority to regulate /change things?
     
  9. Midtowner

    Midtowner New Member

    If I had the power and authority to change things, I'd make the background checks very simple and required for ALL transfers of firearms including private sales. I'd require that all sales be performed by licensed individuals or through licensed brokers who would charge a small statutory fee, kind of like tag agents. I'd require 100% registration of all guns. I'd make it a felony to be a party to a transaction involving a firearm where no background check occurs. I'd make the background check instant and online and check for criminal status, mental health status, etc., and I'd make the check as inexpensive as possible, but expensive enough to fund the entire background check system.

    --and the magazine thing was a dumb idea from the get go.
     
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  10. Tulsa_Fireman

    Tulsa_Fireman SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    And I'd make people get a background check before they spoke in public voicing issues of personal concern, attended church, read a newspaper, contributed to the press, received a trial from a jury composed of their peers, assembled publicly, petitioned the government, before their property and belongings were legally searched and/or seized, protected from double jeopardy and self-incrimination, and your right to due process and to confront one's accuser.

    Background check it!

    The other stuff will just have to slide.
     
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  11. diverdog

    diverdog New Member

    The issue is there is very elasticity on the supply side and unlimited elasticity on the demand side. Not a good scenario.

    Don't get me wrong I do not care how much ammo someone buys. The issue is when a fraction of the gun owning population hoards ammo they are killing sport shooting. The less people who shoot the less who care about the 2nd amendment.

    I reload so I really did not notice the supply issue until I ran out of powder.
     
  12. diverdog

    diverdog New Member

    I do not worry about the UN. They are completely inept. **** em.
     
  13. sappstuf

    sappstuf New Member

    And the criminals still wouldn't care....
     
  14. KABOOKIE

    KABOOKIE SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    Heh. Every time mid post he would have to be background checked, on his own dime of course. Sure it's just a small statutory fee of $375 (you know like the tag agency, wink wink, no gov't overreach into the cookie jar there)! Mid you owe the government $2625 in this thread alone! Don't worry mid, you can take a number at the Department of Guns and Ammo. I hear there's only a 3 hour wait.
     
  15. olevetonahill

    olevetonahill Well-Known Member


    So your sayin you initially were in favor of a bad Idea? you are confusing
     
  16. MR2-Sooner86

    MR2-Sooner86 Well-Known Member

    "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." - Janet Reno - Clinton Administration Attorney General

    "We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" - Charles Schumer (b. 1950) - quoted on NBC, December 8, 1993

    "I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" -- quote -- to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step." Barbara Fass - Stockton, CA Mayor - ABC News Special, Peter Jennings: Guns - 1991-04-11

    "We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. Of course, it's true that politicians will then go home and say, "This is a great law. The problem is solved." And it's also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time. So then we'll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with a half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of *all* handguns and *all* handgun ammunition -- except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal." - Nelson T. "Pete" Shields - "A Reporter At Large: Handguns", New Yorker, at 53, 58 - Chairman, Handgun Control, Inc. - 1976-07-26

    "Gun violence won't be cured by one set of laws. It will require years of partial measures that will gradually tighten the requirements for gun ownership, and incrementally change expectations about the firepower that should be available to ordinary citizens." - New York Times - 1993-12-21

    "A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." - Lenin (1870-1924) - "The Beginning of the Revolution in Russia"

    "All we ask for is registration, just like we do for cars." - Charles Schumer - has sworn an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution

    "I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun. I also believe that every new handgun sale or or transfer should be listed in a national registry, such as Chuck [Senator Schumer] is proposing." - Hillary Clinton - 2000

    "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." - Mao Tse Tung - Problems of War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938

    "The thought that average citizens will somehow be better able to successfully defend themselves more effectively than our nation's trained professionals is absurd." - Handgun Control, Inc. - Official statement from Handgun Control, Inc.

    "My view of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned." - Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)

    "We're bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns." - Rahm Emmanuel

    "I don't believe anybody has a right to own any kind of a firearm. I believe in order to obtain a permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or mental illness... The Constitution doesn't count!" - John Silber - Speech before the Quequechan Club, MA., 8/16/1990

    "Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." - Diane Feinstein (b. 1933) - Gun owner with concealed carry permit

    "I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns." - Howard Metzenbaum (1917-2008)

    "I am one who believes that as a first step the U.S. should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols and revolvers ...no one should have a right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun." - Dean Morris - Director, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration - Testimony to Congress

    "One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin (1870-1924)

    "There are some weapons that are just so dangerous that society has a right and the obligation even to take those weapons out of circulation." - Jim Florio

    "There is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament . . . . Domestic disarmament entails the removal of arms from private hands . . . . Given the proper political support by the people who oppose the pro-gun lobby, legislation to remove the guns from private hands, acts like the legislation drafted by Senator John Chafee [to ban handguns], can be passed in short order." - signed by Henry Cisneros and Kurt Schmoke - Communitarian Network's The Case for Domestic Disarmament - HC is the Former Secretary of HUD, KS was Baltimore Mayor

    "I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state." - Michael Dukakis

    "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them...'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it." - Diane Feinstein - 60 Minutes episode

    "Why should America adopt a policy of near-zero tolerance for private gun ownership? Because it's the only alternative to the present insanity. Without both strict limits on access to new weapons and aggressive efforts to reduce the supply of existing weapons, no one can be safer. ... [W]ho can still argue compellingly that Americans can be trusted to handle guns safely? We think the time has come for America to tell the truth about guns. They are not for us. We cannot handle them." - Editorial, Taming The Monster: Get Rid of the Guns, Los Angeles Times, B6 - 1993-12-28

    "Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State." - Heinrich Himmler (1900-1945)

    "We protect aspirin bottles in this country better than we protect guns from accidents by children." - Gloria Estefan

    "If I had my way, sporting guns would be strictly regulated, the rest would be confiscated." - Nancy Pelosi

    "The national guard fulfills the the militia mentioned in the Second Amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves." - Dianne Feinstein - U.S. Senator (D-CA)

    "We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true..." - Charles Schumer (b. 1950) - quoted on NBC, November 30, 1993

    "I honestly think - and I am not an expert on the amendments - I think the only people in this nation who should be allowed to own guns are police officers. I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say, 'Sorry. It is 1999, we have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun and if you do own a gun, I think you should go to prison." - Rosie O'Donnell

    "I want to make it as hard as possible. Gun owners would have to be evaluated by how they scored on written and firing tests, and have to pass the tests in order to own a gun. And I would tax the guns, bullets and the license itself very heavily." - Joycelyn Elders

    "No, we're not looking at how to control criminals... we're talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns." - Howard Metzenbaum

    "I don't know why people carry guns. Guns kill people." - Michael Bloomberg - NYC Mayor

    "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come." - Joseph Biden - quoted by AP - U.S. Senator - 1993-11-18

    "Why are guns the only unregulated consumer products in America? We regulate toy guns and teddy bears, but we do not regulate a product that kills 4,600 children a year." - Marian Wright Edelman - Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1999

    "What good does it do to ban some guns. All guns should be banned." - Howard Metzenbaum

    "Any 18 year old can walk into a gun store, pawn shop or gun show and buy a handgun." - Al Gore - almost 30 years after the Gun Control Act of 1968 set the age to buy a handgun from a FFL at 21. - U.S. Vice President

    "Repealing the Second Amendment is no cause for the faint-hearted, but it remains the only way for liberals to trigger an honest debate on the future of our bullet-plagued society. So what if anti-gun advocates have to devote the next 15 or 20 years to the struggle? The cause is worth the political pain. Failing to take bold action condemns all of us to spend our lives cringing in terror every time we hear a car backfire." Walter Shapiro - USA Today column - 1999-09-17

    "The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business." - New York Times - 1975-09-24

    "Nobody should be owning a gun which does not have a sporting purpose." - Janet Reno

    "The goal of CSGV is the orderly elimination of most handguns and assault weapons from the United States. CSGV seeks to ban handguns and assault weapons from importation, manufacture, sale, transfer, ownership, posession and use by the general, American public. Reasonable exceptions would be made for the police, military, security officers, and gun clubs where the guns are secured on the club's premises. Gun dealers would also be permitted to trade in antique and collectable weapons kept and sold in inoperable condition. Hunting weapons, such as shotguns and rifles would un affected by these bans,as those weapons do not pose a large threat to the American public in comparason to handguns and assault weapons." - Coalition to Stop Gun Violence - Recruiting flyer

    "If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own handguns..." - Richard Daley - Federal Gun Legislation Press Conference in Washington, D.C. - Chicago Mayor - 1998-11-13

    "As you know, my position is we should ban all handguns, get rid of them, no manufacture, no sale, no importation, no transportation, no possession of a handgun." - John H. Chafee - U.S. Senator (R-RI)

    "We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose." - Major Owens - Democrat Congressman

    "If it were up to me we'd ban them all." - Mel Reynolds - Democrat Congressman - CNN's Crossfire, December 9, 1993

    "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles...that we are unable to think about reality." - William Jefferson Clinton (or as I like to call him, "BJ BILL")

    "Gun traffickers have found a new avenue for dealing guns to criminals, to the mentally ill, and the under-aged--the Internet. The firepower available on the Internet is chilling. Machine guns, assault weapons and cheaply made pistols are available in cyberspace for the taking. And they are available to those who could never buy a gun under the Brady law." - Charles Schumer - U.S. Senator - 1999-03-16

    "...the NRA, which is an extremist organization...believe people should be allowed to have bazookas and tanks...(another statement during the same debate) "...the only people who use them [so-called assault weapons] are mass murderers..." - Charles Schumer - PBS debate with Bill McCollum - 1996

    "You need the will to disarm the civilian population. If we can do it in Somalia, we can do it here." Mary McGrory - Liberal Journalist and Columnist - Arizona Daily Star, March 11, 1993 p. A16

    "The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons -- anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun -- can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." - Josh Sugarman - 1988, Violence Policy Center

    "Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country." - Mayor (and crackhead) Marion Barry, Washington, DC

    "If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own hand guns..." Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, Federal Gun Legislation Press Conference in Washington, D.C., November 13, 1998.

    "We recoil in horror and search for explanations, but we never face up to the obvious preventive measure: a ban on the handy killing machines that make crimes so easy." Josh Sugarmann, Executive Director of the Violence Policy Center, Seattle and Honolulu shootings more reasons to regulate guns, (1999).

    "We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime." -- Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson

    "Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." -- HCI President Sarah Brady to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National Educator, January 1994, p.3

    "This administration has consistently favored the reinstitution of the [1994] Assault Weapons Ban. It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to the reduction we've seen in crime, and certainly would have a positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in Mexico." - Eric Holder - U.S. Attorney General - 2012-02-02 - Holder goes on to mention a current bill by Ms. Malloney that the administration feels is a good starting point for new gun legislation

    “But the Second Amendment, the cornerstone of the NRA’s BS, is not relevant today. It was ratified in relation to state militias in 1791 and has no meaning in today’s world. The ‘right to keep and bear arms’ does not mean you can own a heat-seeking missile or a nuclear bomb, does it? . . . The redcoats are not coming. But the rednecks are. And when they say that the Second Amendment protects them from a ‘tyrannical’ federal government, they are more than delusional. The U.S. military is so big, Mitt Romney’s annual ‘income’ couldn’t buy lunch at the Pentagon, especially if Paul Ryan’s budget passes.” – John Watson, Wilkes-Barre (PA) Times Leader, Only thing to fear is NRA’s fear tactic itself

    "Like flat earth fanatics, Second Amendment fanatics just don't get it. Facts are facts. The earth is not flat. And Constitutional law is Constitutional law. The Second Amendment is not absolute. It does not guarantee the mythical individual right to bear arms we will hear argued for today. The gun lobby and its friends in Congress can line up professors of history and law from here to NRA headquarters and back. They can all swear what they think the Second Amendment means, and how many angels can dance on a pinhead. But the settled law is flatly against them." - Charles Schumer - statement before the House Subcommittee on Crime - U.S. Representative (D-NY) - 1995-04-05

    "I'm consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry." - Barrack Obama - IL State Senator - 2004-04-27

    "I think it's a scandal that this president (Bush) did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban." - Barrack Obama - Illinois Senate Debate #3 - 2004-10-21

    "I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers lobby." - Barrack Obama - The Audacity of Hope - Senator (D-IL) - 2006

    "I just want you to know that we are working on it," [Sarah] Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar." - Barrack Obama - meeting between Jay Carney, Jim Brady, Sarah Brady, and President Obama, quoted in the Washington Post, 2011-04-12
     
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  17. Soonerjeepman

    Soonerjeepman SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    until we have an admin that supports them and follows their guidelines...
     
  18. radio

    radio New Member

    Lawyers.... screwin up everything for everyone else, while making a new market to line pockets.
     
  19. cleller

    cleller SoonerFans.com Elite Member

    Whenever you talk about guns and crime, you hear all this crazy talk about what to do with the guns. Why can't we ever hear some crazy talk about what to do with the criminals?

    You know, like hangings, floggings, people in stocks, etc?
     
  20. Midtowner

    Midtowner New Member

    What do you do with criminals? Rehabilitate the ones who can be helped and take the ones who can't be helped out of circulation permanently. The death penalty is too expensive.
     

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