informal pole on your attitudes

[Okla-homey]

Let's say some lady, we'll call her Shirley, overhears three Arab-looking young d00ds conversing in a restaurant, we'll call it"Denny's," in Moore, OK.

At one point, one guy says to the other three, "hey, if they thought 9/11 was bad, just wait till they see 9/19! " To which they all chortle. For our purposes, assume today is 9/18.

Shirley watches the three pay their bill and depart. She can see the vehicle they're driving thru the restaurant window and she takes down the OK tag number. She also watches to see which way they drive off and they head towards I-35.

Let's also assume Shirley calls this in, because she's a good American and we've all been asked to be vigilant and stuff. She calls the FBI and reports what she heard.

Here's the question: based only on these facts, should the FBI look for these guys, and, if they find them, should they arrest them for questioning?

[critical_phil]

FIRST!

[SicEmBaylor]

Find them first. Assuming they aren't citizens, absolutely arrest them. Even if it turns out that they're innocent and this woman was a nut, what has it really hurt? Nadda.

[sanantoniosooner]

FIRST!




oh carp.:mad:

[Octavian]

...because she's a good American and we've all been asked to be vigilant and stuff.


what a nice little lap dog.



Now if we can just get Shirley to catch a frisbee...

[Frozen Sooner]

There's not enough here to warrant tracking these guys down. There's no discussion of any criminal and/or terroristic activity, simply three guys talking about two dates-one of which happens to be the anniversary of something really bad happening.

But hey, Mother Russia loves an informant.

[KABOOKIE]

1) Don't call the Police.
2) Follow them in your car.
3) Call another red blooded American friend up, tell him the story and to meet up with you on I-35.
4) Pull young Hajids over.
5) Be the ****ing sand outta their asses, tie 'em up and dump them in Lake Stanley Draper.
6) Hi-Five buddy and flip a finger to the Taliban.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Shirley is an idiot. They were talking about Kanye and 50 Cent.

[Harry Beanbag]

So are we going to have an Oklahoma City memo in addition to the infamous Phoenix one?

[85Sooner]

What the hey ...............just shoot em ;)

[skycat]

Shirley is an idiot. They were talking about Kanye and 50 Cent.

Who and who?








;)

[OCUDad]

Bring them all in, put them in a room with Shirley, and tell them to iron out their differences.

[CatfishSooner]

put up surveillence on them for damn sure!

[Vaevictis]

I hate to fall on this side of things, but to me this is just like saying, "I've got a bomb" while you're waiting in line at the airport.

If you do that ****, you're going to attract unwanted attention.

Find their asses, haul them in, question them.

(but for God's sake, no extraordinary rendition please.)

[SicEmBaylor]

I was flying from Austin to Tulsa once and there was a muslim imam in front of me going through security. He had the white robe on, the little cap they wear, sandals, long beard, and he had a copy Koran in his hands saying a prayer as he's going through security.

They let the guy through with no problem at all, and then they stop me for a random extra invasive security check. I asked, "Why don't you go do a double check of Muhammad Achmed up there?" And the TSA guy says, "Sir, we don't profile. All of our checks are random."

[Vaevictis]

Heh, riddle me this:

Okay, so we start doing racial profiling. What do you think happens in this country when Al Qaeda, et al, get wise to this and start sending over their black African recruits?

[Frozen Sooner]

Heh, riddle me this:

Okay, so we start doing racial profiling. What do you think happens in this country when Al Qaeda, et al, get wise to this and start sending over their black African recruits?

Or their white Chechen/Bosnian/whatever ones?

Or their little old ladies?

Or their new mothers?

[SicEmBaylor]

Heh, riddle me this:

Okay, so we start doing racial profiling. What do you think happens in this country when Al Qaeda, et al, get wise to this and start sending over their black African recruits?

That's very very possible. In addition, you have a portion of middle-eastern looking individuals who are, in fact, Christian.

Nonetheless, I think it's a safe assumption that most mid-east foreign travelers deserve an extra bit of scrutiny. It seems common sense to me to focus our extra security screenings on the praying imam and not the white kid from Oklahoma.

[Frozen Sooner]

How about a white kid from California?

http://www.bendweekly.com/files/john_walker_Lindh.jpg

[Vaevictis]

Or their white Chechen/Bosnian/whatever ones?

Or their little old ladies?

Or their new mothers?

If they're smart, they won't. Once the racial profiling kicks in, just send in the Africans, and watch us melt down from all of the outrage it stirs up the first time a black male suffers official profiling at an airport.

[SicEmBaylor]

How about a white kid from California?

http://www.bendweekly.com/files/john_walker_Lindh.jpg
You're talking about a VERY VERY rare exception to the rule. As I said, profiling can't catch everyone but a little bit of common sense needs to be applied.

[yermom]

what about the guys they just arrested in Germany?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/06/world/europe/06germany.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

[1stTimeCaller]

profiling works

[OklahomaRed]

Some of you don't go to Las Vegas very often? Do you hit on 20? Sure, there is a 4 in 52 chance that you might get an ace, but your odds are you're going to get something you expected, which is busted.

Profiling isn't foolproof, but it's a tool that should be used. A large percent of those who pull off terrorist attacks around the world are young, male, middle eastern, and muslim. Just saying.

[IB4OU2]

Where's the "Call Jerk" option?

[OUDoc]

Where's the "Call Jerk" option?
That's the red button over there. You really don't want to push it. ;)

[SCOUT]

In light of 9/11 and all subsequent attacks and attempts... noticing a trend in their ethnicity is not profiling, it's being minimally observant.
.

[usmc-sooner]

I'm always dropping dimes on my neighbors and people I don't like. People be very glad we don't use real names on this board because the next fukker that negged me would get his name dropped to Homeland Security, the FBI..etc or if I really hated you DHS.


:texan: :D

[r5TPsooner]

She could be a nut, but so were the idiots who flew the planes into the buildings on 9/11.

Better to be than sorry.

[GottaHavePride]

Shirley is an idiot. They were talking about Kanye and 50 Cent.

Holy crap. Where did you get all that vCash? I'd ask if you robbed the vCasino, but not even Danny Ocean could find 18 quintillion vBucks lying around.

[Veritas]

I'd call the police and I'll admit it. If that makes me some type of racist, so be it. I don't want **** getting blown up.

If, for example, they were discussing rap albums, I'd still call the cops because 50 Cent and Kanye suck and I'd be proud to know that someone got anally probed for listening to it. :D

[Mark_of_Tulsa]

If I was the FBI I would say, "Shirley your kidding?"

[StuIsTheMan]

If I was the FBI I would say, "Shirley your kidding?"


no I'm not...and don't call me Shirley...
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/airplane7.jpg

[goodonya]

Just use your "pole" on them. Problem solved.

[Scott D]

I was flying from Austin to Tulsa once and there was a muslim imam in front of me going through security. He had the white robe on, the little cap they wear, sandals, long beard, and he had a copy Koran in his hands saying a prayer as he's going through security.

They let the guy through with no problem at all, and then they stop me for a random extra invasive security check. I asked, "Why don't you go do a double check of Muhammad Achmed up there?" And the TSA guy says, "Sir, we don't profile. All of our checks are random."

because you sir are an obvious threat to the American way of life. TSA guy shoulda done his job and had your *** shipped to Gitmo.

[Pricetag]

She could be a nut, but so were the idiots who flew the planes into the buildings on 9/11.

Some of those folks were drunkenly hollering in titty bars about blood flowing in the streets before they carried out their attacks. A little vigilance can go a long way.

[StoopTroup]

Find them all...hold them down on the ground and start screaming "John Kerry sends his respect ! ! !"...

Then tazer them 919 times each.

:pop:

[Frozen Sooner]

Some of those folks were drunkenly hollering in titty bars about blood flowing in the streets before they carried out their attacks. A little vigilance can go a long way.

You don't think there's a rather large difference between the scenario presented and dudes yelling things about blood flowing in the streets?

If someone's running around drunk yelling about blood flowing in the streets, I'm calling the cops for sure.

[Frozen Sooner]

You're talking about a VERY VERY rare exception to the rule. As I said, profiling can't catch everyone but a little bit of common sense needs to be applied.

How many exceptions to a rule does it take to blow up a plane?

[1stTimeCaller]

that's a very Tubaesque rebuttal. ;)

[C&CDean]

If I'm sitting there, and I hear that conversation, I'd simply say one thing.

"Remember 9/18 you camel ****ing **********s" as I go all Ultimate Fighting Championship on their TD2K loving asses.

And the apologists who when presented with MOUNTAINS of evidence of the ethnicity/religion of terrorists who blow **** up pull out the "what about McVeigh" card I have to laugh. There's a black sheep in every flock.

And profiling most assuredly DOES work.

[Frozen Sooner]

that's a very Tubaesque rebuttal. ;)

I didn't post any pictures of buses. :D

[StuIsTheMan]

How many exceptions to a rule does it take to blow up a plane?

oh oh oh Mr. Kotter!, Oh Oh Oh
http://www.autographedtoyou.com/celebpics/ron_palillo2.jpg

[1stTimeCaller]

If I'm sitting there, and I hear that conversation, I'd simply say one thing.

"Remember 9/18 you camel ****ing **********s" as I go all Ultimate Fighting Championship on their TD2K loving asses.

And the apologists who when presented with MOUNTAINS of evidence of the ethnicity/religion of terrorists who blow **** up pull out the "what about McVeigh" card I have to laugh. There's a black sheep in every flock.

And profiling most assuredly DOES work.

racialist

[Pricetag]

You don't think there's a rather large difference between the scenario presented and dudes yelling things about blood flowing in the streets?

If someone's running around drunk yelling about blood flowing in the streets, I'm calling the cops for sure.
Not really. 9/11 isn't just a date or a number any more--there is significant connotation to it that anyone in the world, particularly someone inside the United States, should know.

Saying that 9/11 would be nothing compared to <insert date> is about like saying that Hiroshima or Nagasaki would be nothing compared to <whatever>. It's not something that could be dismissed as a mistake, IMO.

[CatfishSooner]

profiling works- ask the Israelis...

[Scott D]

profiling works- ask the Israelis...

comparing the situation in Israel to the situation in the US is silly. I mean next we're going to have visibly armed guards everywhere including ON all of our flights.

And profiling in this country works as long as you aren't the one being profiled.

[Sooner_Bob]

comparing the situation in Israel to the situation in the US is silly. I mean next we're going to have visibly armed guards everywhere including ON all of our flights.

And profiling in this country works as long as you aren't the one being profiled.


People in the US have no clue how different things are in Israel compared to here. No clue at all.

I recently had the opportunity to spend a week with a couple of Israeli Special Forces men and let me tell you, some of the things they showed us and told us about was freakin' scary.

[Scott D]

People in the US have no clue how different things are in Israel compared to here. No clue at all.

I recently had the opportunity to spend a week with a couple of Israeli Special Forces men and let me tell you, some of the things they showed us and told us about was freakin' scary.

Yeah, they don't have time to jack around with things there. The way we go about security in this country is child's play compared to how they've been dealing with security for the last 50 years.

But Bob, you know how everything has to be run exactly how we do it ;)

[yermom]

comparing the situation in Israel to the situation in the US is silly. I mean next we're going to have visibly armed guards everywhere including ON all of our flights.

And profiling in this country works as long as you aren't the one being profiled.

it's real easy to drop blanket statements when they don't affect you ;)

[usmc-sooner]

a lot of you guys don't have a clue as to what goes on here as far as security. There is some scary stuff that terrorists and other countries push through our ports and airports just to see what we are catching.

[Whet]

Find them all...hold them down on the ground and start screaming "John Kerry sends his respect ! ! !"...

Then tazer them 919 times each.

:pop:
http://awanderlust.net/images/taze_store2.jpg

[StuIsTheMan]

And profiling in this country works as long as you aren't the one being profiled.

I for one have no problem with profiling. And would not care in the least if they wanted to dig through my stuff. I got nothing to hide so go ahead check me off the list. Just give me a warning so I can hide my stash:D