Ron Paul Campaign Picking Up Momentum

[FaninAma]

Dayum, he made Huckabee look like an idiot in the debate. None of the other candidates want to get into a real issues discussion with him, either.

And Thompson is just another suit and typical of what the GOP has been putting forth as candidates since Reagan. If Thompson is the best the GOP can put up as their candidate for POTUS then the GOP is reallyin a world of hurt. BTW, Guliani is a class A pr*ck.

http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Ron_Paul_wins_text_messaging_vote_0906.html

[royalfan5]

I've been seeing more cardboard Ron Paul 4 President signs taped to lightpoles around here.

[SicEmBaylor]

I agree with you on all of that except Thompson. Superficially, he's just one of the same. However, going back and listening to Thompson and reading what he's written throughout his career and past leads me to believe otherwise. I believe that only he and Ron Paul are truly committed to the principles of federalism. Ron Paul more so than Thompson, but Thompson has a chance.

I'd love to see Ron Paul get the nomination though. I have no problem with the guy whatsoever.

[King Crimson]

today's NY Times has an article about Fred T picking up the mantle of Reagan. i haven't read it, so i can't vouch how the association is made--as legit or superficial. if you don't have an account, use bugmenot.com for an ID/ password.

but, FYI. there's another about "the Thompson Strategy".

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/07/us/politics/07elect.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

[picasso]

Ron Paul is an idiot jackass.

[FaninAma]

I agree with you on all of that except Thompson. Superficially, he's just one of the same. However, going back and listening to Thompson and reading what he's written throughout his career and past leads me to believe otherwise. I believe that only he and Ron Paul are truly committed to the principles of federalism. Ron Paul more so than Thompson, but Thompson has a chance.

I'd love to see Ron Paul get the nomination though. I have no problem with the guy whatsoever.

I was really unimpressed that Thompson chose to skip the debate and is being so coy about exposing himself to questions. I think it is a tactic that will bite him in the rear end if he continues.

[royalfan5]

It seems to me so far, that Thompson's handlers are being very careful with him, and only putting him in very controlled situations. I could be wrong about this because as a policy, I don't really start following campaigns till the actual year of the election.

[FaninAma]

Ron Paul is an idiot jackass.

Spoken like a true yellow dog Republican. Care to give a few reasons why you think so?

As far as my statement about Guliani I have come to that conclusion based on how he treats people in his personal life(none of his closest family members really support him) and how he comes across during the debates....always snickering in the background.

The same old crap that the GOP keeps offering up won't work any longer. The economy is going down in flames thanks in large part to the betrayal of Bush and other GOP of their limited government/lower government spending heritage of the conservative GOP.

The GOP is in the hip pocket of the Fortune 500 companies and ,IMO, they don't care if Joe 6 pack goes belly up with the real estate collapse tidal wave headed this way. They only care that the Bear-Sterns , Merrill Lynches and Chase Banks don't get hurt because their poor lending and derivatives decisions. The GOP will make the taxpayers of the country bail them out while hundreds of thousands of home buyers go down the tubes.

[SicEmBaylor]

I was really unimpressed that Thompson chose to skip the debate and is being so coy about exposing himself to questions. I think it is a tactic that will bite him in the rear end if he continues.

The debate thing doesn't really bother me. His point, and I agree with him, is that you've got 7-9 guys up there who get (at best) 30 seconds to explain complex policy issues. He said he's more than willing to go to a couple of these debates, but having 10,000 of them starting so damned early is pretty asinine.

Now of course there's a great degree of political strategy involved there, but he's either being brilliant in the way he's handled it or completely screwed himself over.

The only candidate really worth watching in any of these debates is Ron Paul. The rest of them barely have a ****'s hair worth of difference between them. That's not true of Thompson. You hear from all the candidates their positions on various issues but never much about their governing philosophy which conerns me (aside from Ron Paul). What bothers me about that is that you'll have one candidate give his position on an issue and then later give a position on another issue that philosophically are inconsistent with one another. What Thompson has been saying is essentially, "Here is my philosophy of government. It should be limited, disciplined, and stay within its proper constitutional bounds. Federalism should become important again with the states handling much of their own social policy. From that, you can logically discern my position on a given issue." And that's what I love about Thompson. I know what he says his governing philosophy is, therefore, I don't really need to go down the checklist of every damned issue to figure out his position. I can discern what his position would be based on his governing philosophy. Same with Ron Paul.

[picasso]

I've been seeing more cardboard Ron Paul 4 President signs taped to lightpoles around here.
he had some supporters at 15th and Yale in Tulsa a few Saturdays ago. they were holding signs that read 9/11 was inside job.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I asked 'em inside of what? they yelled go to the website. I yelled no ****ing thanks.

[picasso]

Spoken like a true yellow dog Republican. Care to give a few reasons why you think so?

As far as my statement about Guliani I have come to that conclusion based on how he treats people in his personal life(none of his closest family members really support him) and how he comes across during the debates....always snickering in the background.

The smae old crap that the GOP keeps offering up won't work any longer. The economy is going down in flames thanks in larger part to the betrayal of Bush and other GOP of the limited government/lower government spending heritage of the conservative GOP.

The GOP is in the hip pocket of the Fortune 500 companies and ,IMO, they don't care if Joe 6 pack goes belly up with the real estate collapse tidal wave handed this way. They only care that the Bear-Sterns , Merrill Lynches and Chase Banks don't get hurt with their poor lending and derivatives decisions.
for your info I voted for 2 democrats the last time I hit the ballots.

Paul wants to get out of the middle east completely right? has he ever heard of oil and stuff? he sounds like a looney bird. I'll pass.

[SicEmBaylor]

Ron Paul is an idiot jackass.
Ron Paul is quite far from being an idiot and definitely not a jackass. His knowledge on constitutional theory is probably unmatched by anyone currently running for President. I'm not sure why you think he's a jackass, did he steal a lollipop from a small child or kick a puppy or something? I've met Ron Paul on a couple of different occasions and found him to be very warm, sincere, but steadfast in his convictions. If being steadfast in your convictions makes you a jackass then I wish we had more jackasses just like him.

[JohnnyMack]

you're a looney bird.

[SicEmBaylor]

he had some supporters at 15th and Yale in Tulsa a few Saturdays ago. they were holding signs that read 9/11 was inside job.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I asked 'em inside of what? they yelled go to the website. I yelled no ****ing thanks.

I've met a few of them down in Texas. They probably aren't real Ron Paul conservative/Republican supporters. The ones I met down here were thinly veiled members of the "truth movement" who were attempting to widen the appearance of their movement by associating themselves with a Republican candidate for President. Ron Paul has never suggested that 9/11 was an inside job, though he is highly critical of how we responded to it and our policies leading up to the attack.

[picasso]

Ron Paul is quite far from being an idiot and definitely not a jackass. His knowledge on constitutional theory is probably unmatched by anyone currently running for President. I'm not sure why you think he's a jackass, did he steal a lollipop from a small child or kick a puppy or something? I've met Ron Paul on a couple of different occasions and found him to be very warm, sincere, but steadfast in his convictions. If being steadfast in your convictions makes you a jackass then I wish we had more jackasses just like him.
I could care less Sic'em. I've heard a small amount come from his mouth and it's enough to turn me off. free speech and stuff is on my side too.

you've met Paul a few times and know all there is to know about him? he knows the constitution too? wow, I'm soldeth.:)

[SicEmBaylor]

I could care less Sic'em. I've heard a small amount come from his mouth and it's enough to turn me off. free speech and stuff is on my side too.

you've met Paul a few times and know all there is to know about him? he knows the constitution too? wow, I'm soldeth.:)

Well, I'm an organization that has had very close ties to him and his campaign (congressional not presidential) for a very long time and many years. I've worked on the guy's endorsement interview twice.

I'm not exactly a casual observer of politics, and if you hear one or two things he says and totally dismiss him entirely then that sounds like your problem far far more than it's mine.

[picasso]

not a problem at all. I'd never vote for the guy for the simple fact that he's a looney bird when it comes to dealing with our problems.

I'd vote for Soupy Sales before putting check in his box.

[FaninAma]

I could care less Sic'em. I've heard a small amount come from his mouth and it's enough to turn me off. free speech and stuff is on my side too.

you've met Paul a few times and know all there is to know about him? he knows the constitution too? wow, I'm soldeth.:)

I've gone from being a staunch supporter of the Iraq effort to having the attitude that if the Iraqi leaders and government aren't willing to step up and assume more of the load to lead their country and citizens out of the hell hole they currently live in then why should the American people continue to sacrifice the blood and economic futures of their sons and daughters to help them? Ron Paul is exactly right on this issue.

And get back to me on the oil issue when this country has really explored all other energy sources including nuclear energy and developing our domestic oil and gas reserves.

[TUSooner]

Ron Paul is an idiot jackass.

In the words of Alfred E. Neuman, "You could do worse, and usually have!"

[SicEmBaylor]

I've gone from being a staunch supporter of the Iraq effort to having the attitude that if the Iraqi leaders and government aren't willing to step up and assume more of the load to lead their country and citizens out of the hell hole they currently live in then why should the American people continue to sacrifice the blood and economic futures of their sons and daughters to help them? Ron Paul is exactly right on this issue.

And get back to me on the oil issue when this country has really explored all other energy sources including nuclear energy and developing our domestic oil and gas reserves.

Heh, that would be a pretty good trade really. We concede to the anti-war left by ending the war and pulling out of the mid-east in exchange for their support to widen domestic oil drilling and the construction of more nuclear power plants.

I'd make that deal in a heart beat, and I think Ron Paul would too.

[King Crimson]

what makes you think you'll get the second half of that bargain (domestic oil and nuclear energy) from the lefties--who are going to be environmentally oriented.

[SicEmBaylor]

what makes you think you'll get the second half of that bargain (domestic oil and nuclear energy) from the lefties--who are going to be environmentally oriented.
I don't.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Ron Paul is the original ******rocket! His whole damn campaign is built on us playing Frenchie and bailing on the Iraq.

[SicEmBaylor]

Ron Paul is the original ******rocket! His whole damn campaign is built on us playing Frenchie and bailing on the Iraq.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[FaninAma]

Ron Paul is the original ******rocket! His whole damn campaign is built on us playing Frenchie and bailing on the Iraq.

How many more billions of dollars and buckets of blood does the US need to pour into this black hole? How big of a deficit do we leave our kids with before you would say enough is enough? If the Iraqi government doesn't step forward are we there shedding blood and fortune on into perpetuity?

Even Nixon, one of the original Neocons, could see the handwriting on the wall in Vietnam. Ron Paul has learned the lesson that you can't help countries that aren't willing to help themselves.

Maybe we can all just pray to the Saint of lost causes and all will be well or we could just turn the Chinese loose on their jihad asses cause we know how the Chinese would deal with a-holes who threaten their oil supply. They don't seemed to be constrained by the same moral and humanistic restrictions that we are when dealing with their enemies.

[SicEmBaylor]

The American military is really really good at fighting a war, but expecting them to force good government and a sense of democratic liberty on a people, region, and culture that have never known any of those things is a pretty tall-order. We shouldn't expect the American military to become social engineers.

Nation-building is something we shouldn't involve ourselves with in that region.

I'm not sure how you can expect a people who still take a dump in the street to embrace modern concepts of self-rule.

[SicEmBaylor]

Let me also say this, the justification for this war has changed at least 3 or 4 times since the initial invasion took place, and now it would seem that the current justification is to battle radical Islam and specifically Al-Queada. If that's the case, then we damned well ought to put the Baath party back into power but we won't because of the misguided notion that diplomacy is an ideological business and that the undemocratic world needs to be democratized in the American style.

Saddam Hussein was NOT a member of radical Islam. The guy was a secular leader who would occasionally use Islam as a propaganda tool. It's highly highly doubtful that any widespread and deep cooperation between his government and radical Islam did ever or would ever take place especially since radical Islam wanted to depose the guy themselves!

I'll accept that a great many people, not just the neocons, believed that he had weapons of mass destruction, but several of the other justifications made absolutely no sense whatsoever. At the same time that Bush and the GOP grassroots were puffing their chest that the US doesn't need anyone's permission to defend itself nor does it need international organizations like the UN (positions I agree with) -- they were simultaneously using Iraq's defiance of UN resolutions as a justification for war! The very organization everyone totally dismissed as having any relevance!

My point is this, the justification for staying in Iraq after Saddam was removed hasn't been all that clear. The US military is never going to be able to fundamentally change an entire culture and way of living no matter how many troops are there or for how long. It's by far and away time that the Iraqi's took more of a role in running their government. The really sad part is that I predict no matter what we do that their government will be overthrown by radical Islamic groups supported by Iran after we leave and we'll have another Iran like state in the region to contend with. We traded a secular dictator who didn't have the resources to pose much of a threat with a probable radical Islamic regime with the resources of the entire religion and region behind its terror activities.

That has nothing to do with being critical of our troops, hating America, or anything else....it's simply really bad policy.

[FaninAma]

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The USD broke through key support at 80 today. Everybody is dumping dollars because there is no confidence in our currency due to the fact that Bush and the GOP(with a lot of help from the Democrats) have essentially flooded the world with paper to pay for the war in Iraq. The toxic sub-prime mortgage market hasn't helped. Between these two fiascos the US economy and US consumer are on very shaky ground. All of this is thanks to Bush, the GOP and the GOP-lite party(Dems.) throwing money at every problem that comes up.

Paul's sound fiscal principles are what originally attracted me to his candidacy. His foreign policy is not like the Dems and the French. He doesn't want to get out of Iraq because he is anti-war. He wants to get out of Iraq because he recognizes it is cripplng our economy and our country which will, in the long run, hurt the war on terrorism.

If a secure oil supply is the reason we are fighting in Iraq then let all of the other oil consuming nations, including those in Europe, Japan, India and China, share the burden of stabilizing the region. The US and it's citizens have done more than their share of helping the economies and ensuring the security of other countries ..... most of whom who have leached off of US consumers and taxpayers for years(if not decades).

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If Ron Paul runs as independent, we will get the Hillary experience, fo sho! (There are enough cut-and-run repubs willing to vote for him to make Hillary happen)

[SicEmBaylor]

If Ron Paul runs as independent, we will get the Hillary experience, fo sho! (There are enough cut-and-run repubs willing to vote for him to make Hillary happen)
I don't know what makes you think that Paul is going to run as an independent. I haven't seen or heard any indication of that. He wouldn't do that because it would probably mean losing his Congressional seat and I highly doubt he wants that.

[JohnnyMack]

Gold closed above 700 today too.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I don't know what makes you think that Paul is going to run as an independent. I haven't seen or heard any indication of that. He wouldn't do that because it would probably mean losing his Congressional seat and I highly doubt he wants that.Hope you're correct. (There will be lots of funds thrown his way by some lefty donors, I predict)

[SicEmBaylor]

Hope you're correct. (There will be lots of funds thrown his way by some lefty donors, I predict)
My thought on that is this:
The only people who would be voting for him that would be a concern would be conservatives and libertarians. If liberals were voting for him (after supposedly throwing tons of cash into his campaign) then that'd obviously take votes away from Hillary and help not hurt the Republican position.

At any rate, my thought is that if the Republican party has to worry about losing a general election to a Democrat because a guy like Ron Paul took a substantial number of votes away then that's indicative of a Republican party that probably deserves to lose that particular election.

If they have a candidate of good quality (I can only hope that Thompson will be that quality candidate) then they shouldn't have to worry what the hell Ron Paul decides to do.

I promise you right here and now though that if Paul, by some unimaginable reason, decides to run as an independent and the GOP nominates someone other then Thompson then you won't find a more rabid supporter of Ron Paul than myself.

[85Sooner]

Guliani just lost me for good today with the "illegal immigration isn't a crime"

Mccain lost me with the campaign finance and immigration issues.

I think so far I am in with fred.

[JohnnyMack]

Fred Thompson - Potus

Ron Paul - VP

That'd be alright with me.

[SicEmBaylor]

Rudy lost me when he said, "I'm running for President." I'm fine with the guy as mayor of a large city -- especially a godforsaken yankee city that I have very little desire to ever visit. President of the United States is another matter...

McCain lost me in 2000.

Mitt never had me.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Guliani just lost me for good today with the "illegal immigration isn't a crime"

Mccain lost me with the campaign finance and immigration issues.

I think so far I am in with fred.Sounds reasonable.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

My thoughts are these:
A) If liberals were voting for him (after supposedly throwing tons of cash into his campaign) then that'd obviously take votes away from Hillary and help not hurt the Republican position.


B)I promise you right here and now though that if Paul, by some unimaginable reason, decides to run as an independent and the GOP nominates someone other then Thompson then you won't find a more rabid supporter of Ron Paul than myself.

A)Liberals woud only vote for the dem candidate. Some of them will back him financially though, if he doesn't get the repub nomination.
B)You have demonstrated my original point.

[FaninAma]

Gold closed above 700 today too.

Yeah, and gold has a lot further to go. Sinking USD = rising gold price.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

FaninAma, I hate to cherrypick posts. But I can't let this one slide. Very interesting discussion, by the way. You guys keep it up.


Even Nixon, one of the original Neocons, could see the handwriting on the wall in Vietnam. Ron Paul has learned the lesson that you can't help countries that aren't willing to help themselves.

And Iraq isn't putting Russian equipment in the air and on the ground the scale of what happened in Vietnam. Iraq (as far as we know) isn't putting troops on the ground funded by chinese and soviet red cash. The threat of global conflict by an outright invasion and occupation of Iraq doesn't exist.

I'll agree wholly about Iraq needing to get off their nuts and help themselves. But don't fool yourself into thinking Nixon's primary reason for bolting from Vietnam was because the ARVN wouldn't back the efforts of the U.S. There's too many other factors to even remotely compare the two.

[OklahomaTuba]

How ANYONE can even pretend to support Ron Paul is just beyond me.

He is an isolationist surrender monkey apparently willing to take his marching orders from Osama Bin Laden rather than stand up and defend his nation or support his allies.

His solution to everything is run away and stick his heads in the sand.

I wonder what his response to 9/11 would have been? To run away??? He sure seems to think we ought to surrender in Afganistan of all places.

Its no wonder most of his supporters are lunatic truthers. Thank GOD he will never even sniff the White House, and only provide some good laughter.

[1stTimeCaller]

Tuba, when are you enlisting?

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Tuba, when are you enlisting?

It is my personal belief that people don't enlist because they don't have maps. Without maps, US Americans can't go to the Iraq.

[OklahomaTuba]

Tuba, when are you enlisting?

As soon as the US Military needs out of shape 30 year olds with asthma and bad knees.

Thankfully, they have people like my brother (whom I adopted, and I believe you called retarded once) who will be enlisting very soon.

How about you???

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Dammit guys, I'm workin' my tail off trying to drag this thread into straight asshattery.

You're not helping.

Boobies.

[OklahomaTuba]

Just typing the name Ron Paul accomplished the asshattery Fireman.

BTW, Union just beat Jenks. What a great game!!

[SicEmBaylor]

Just typing the name Ron Paul accomplished the asshattery Fireman.

BTW, Union just beat Jenks. What a great game!!

Your high school loyalties are as bad as your political loyalties.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

There are now some with their flashlights on, shining their way through this goofy thread.

[SicEmBaylor]

Just to be clear, you all do know the diference between withdrawing forces and surrender right?

You see, in the case of withdraw forces are moved from one location to another. When they surrender they lay down their arms.

[Vaevictis]

Pfft. You think that actually matters? They're deliberately appealing to emotion when they use the term.

[AlbqSooner]

I'd vote for Soupy Sales before putting check in his box.
I thought Soupy Sales died. I knew dead men could vote, but can they run for President?:D

[1stTimeCaller]

As soon as the US Military needs out of shape 30 year olds with asthma and bad knees.

Thankfully, they have people like my brother (whom I adopted, and I believe you called retarded once) who will be enlisting very soon.

How about you???

I served my country, thankyouverymuch. I'm also not on here spewing the rhetoric that you are, over and over and over and over. See, you just talk about it, I did something about it. That's one difference between the two of us.

Please post a link to the post where I called your brother a retard. Do it.

You, yes. Your brother, not likely.

[Mongo]

I can post several links proving that 1stTimeCaller is a retard

[JohnnyMack]

I can post several links proving that 1stTimeCaller is a retard

I have photographic evidence of that fact.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I think that is one thing even liberals and conservatives can agree on is that 1TC is a retard :P

[1stTimeCaller]

AMEN! wait, who are we making fun of?

[picasso]

Ron Paul uses a wide stance.

Howzie Poo said so.

[crawfish]

I think having a president with a first name for a last name would ROCK.

Except for Clinton, because Clinton is a ghey first name.