there are just so many

[jk the sooner fan]

things wrong with this (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295555,00.html)

:eek:

[Mongo]

Great, now Howzit is gonna lobby for mandatory, bi-weekly prostate exams

[Rogue]

It sounds like an extreme position in order to somehow later compromise on a plan to incentivize preventive healthcare. Like lower premiums, copays, something. "Mandatory" sucks and won't ever fly, but a focus on prevention makes sense.

At least, I hope that's his strategy. Cause I like Edwards in other ways. If he's serious about "mandatory mammograms" and the like, he's turning fascist.

It might not surprise you that I'm for universal healthcare in principle.
It's the implementation and compromises that worry me.

[Jerk]

The penalty for not getting the mandatory check-up is the 're-education camp" where you learn such noble things as "Arbeit macht frei"

And people think I'm nuts when I claim that some of these people are socialists.

[jk the sooner fan]

preventative medicine is a great thing, truly it is

mandatory? how on earth do you police that? what if i dont want to go to the doctor? now i'm being forced? is that what i'm understanding Edwards to say?

i'm against universal healthcare as the left has presented it so far

i'd be all for healthcare being made available for the poor and destitute, but socialized medicine just isnt the answer

[birddog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9sdWXfIx34

peter, prostate exam.

might be nsfw.

[Jerk]

What other great ideas await us?

Go to jail if you pay a doctor to perform a medical service on you?
Go to jail if you chose your own doctor?
Wait in line for 9 months to get an MRI?

I'd like to see them try it. The backlash would be unbelievable. Americans are too independent for this sh*t. Well, at least the ones who work for a living.

This is why only taxpayers and retired taxpayers should have the right to vote.

[jk the sooner fan]

i cant imagine the healthcare industry would be for this idea...maybe fan or oudoc can say for sure

but it seems that they current situation is that there really arent enough doctors to go around for those that DO go for visits...it would just seem that mandatory visits would require a buttload more doctors and quality of care would go way down

[Rogue]

Ugh. Normally I think you guys are a little paranoid about liberalism. But this is just the kind of thing that fuels those fires. I'm not getting right-wing on you, but...


Go to jail if you pay a doctor to perform a medical service on you?
Go to jail if you chose your own doctor?
Wait in line for 9 months to get an MRI?

I'd like to see them try it. The backlash would be unbelievable.

You're right, Jerk. And the backlash for his proposal should be unbelievable too.
(If Fox News is presenting it fairly.)


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[OCUDad]

I don't think the proposal would ever fly - just too expensive. But I don't have the same allergic reaction to the word "mandatory" that some do. I would imagine the penalty for refusing the "mandatory" checkup would be financial - losing some or all of the insurance benefits.

If you want a paycheck, it's mandatory that you come to work. If you want a driver's license, it's mandatory that you take a test. And so on. It is thus with every privilege. In my not-so-humble opinion, too many folks confuse "privileges" with "rights."

If you accept the initial proposal of universal healthcare, I think you have to accept that preventive checkups would be required to keep costs from spiralling completely out of control. I just don't believe the proposal is financially viable in any case.

Oh, and Jerk, there are so many other reasons to think you're nuts that we don't need to add "fear of socialists" to the list. :D

[jk the sooner fan]

"you cant choose not to go"
"you have to be in the system"

the logistics of that is nightmare enough....

[Jerk]

Oh, and Jerk, there are so many other reasons to think you're nuts that we don't need to add "fear of socialists" to the list. :D
It's not 'nuts,' it is 'socially challenged' :mad:

[Rogue]

I'll look forward to him clarifying this more. Plenty on his website, but not about the "mandatory prevention" stuff. Seems like a slippery slope and Jerk has a knack for seeing the steepest parts of these. He, and his bad back, are getting all worked up about lifestyle penalties, a DNA registry, and the definition of "invasive" right about now. And this time I don't blame him. Edwards tried to use an extreme example about not getting a checkup in 20 years and then showing up in "train wreck" physical condition. It's fair for the loyal opposition to use extreme examples too.






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[TheHumanAlphabet]

Why do I so much want to punch that guy in his perfect teeth and mess up his $400 haircut, maybe run a couple of shears through his hair.

I'm sorry, this ambulance chasing lawyer has not clue...

[OCUDad]

Why do I so much want to punch that guy in his perfect teeth and mess up his $400 haircut, maybe run a couple of shears through his hair.I think it's time for your mandatory anger management session... line forms at the right.

[LoyalFan]

Great, now Howzit is gonna lobby for mandatory, bi-weekly prostate exams


And the *Breck Girl intends to watch, just to "assure compliance".

LF

*See: Edwards, J.
See: Smarmy POS Surrender Monkey

[Rogue]

:les: FLAG ON THE PLAY!
LF, you really can't call someone else "ghey" and use the word "smarmy" in the same post. (trucker girly mudflaps on a corvette, sort of)

[royalfan5]

More proof that my everybody has to become a Christian Scientist plan is the way to go.

[LoyalFan]

More proof that my everybody has to become a Christian Scientist plan is the way to go.


Ain't nobody more nervous than a Christian Scientist who just got bitten by a Coral Snake.

Fact!

LF

[yermom]

"It requires that everybody be covered. It requires that everybody get preventive care," he told a crowd sitting in lawn chairs in front of the Cedar County Courthouse. "If you are going to be in the system, you can't choose not to go to the doctor for 20 years. You have to go in and be checked and make sure that you are OK."

mandatory checkups to stay in the system, not to stay out of jail ;)

sounds expensive... but it doesn't sound that uncalled for

[Okla-homey]

mandatory checkups to stay in the system, not to stay out of jail ;)

sounds expensive... but it doesn't sound that uncalled for

It's a slippery slope. What's next? Obese pay more? It's quantifiable and indisputable they have more health issues. Of course, they die earlier so it may be a wash.;)

[Rogue]

Homey's right. Then folks with certain genes, risk factors that may be argued as "choice," the poor, and those pesky folks who insist on living in sick places or doing work that gives 'em expensive conditions like black lung and the carpal tunnels pay more too.

Why can't we find a way to make basic, emergency, and preventive care available to everyone? I know the definitions to those things are where the rub lies, but dayyum is it really beyond what we can afford or make happen?

I think it's a matter of priorities.



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[jk the sooner fan]

we'll find utopia yet dammit, just you wait

its out there! if we keep preaching it enough, people will believe it