TED NUGENT VS. THE DIXIE CHICKS

[limey_sooner]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=757_1187963465

A language warning for this link by the way. For all of those critical of the dixie chicks being "disrespectful" in a single comment about the president in london how do you feel about Ted being "disrespectful" to several senators by screaming about how he much he wants to shoot them?

[GrapevineSooner]

Probably one of the best rock guitarists of all time and I agree with him on a lot of issues.

But he sounds like an idiot here.

[limey_sooner]

I agree about the guitar, don't agree with him on most issues. The worst part about this for me though is I saw Ted whining like a little girl in an interview about how mean some of the left wing bloggers had been to him and they should be investigated by law enforcement and then he stands up on stage and does this?

[C&CDean]

Meh. I can't watch the video at work, but I'm kinda doubting Ted "whines" about too much.

As for the left wing bloggers I think Ted says the same thing I would. Go collectively **** yourselves. Ted>Toby>Liberace>Dixie Chicks

[limey_sooner]

Ted most certainly did whine and suggest that bloggers should be investigated. As for the video he says he wants to shove a machine gun up obama's a**, kill hillary with that machine gun, refers to pelosi as a whore, someone else as a bitch but I guess as long as he's saying it about democrats its not "disrespectful" like the Dixie Chicks eh?

[yermom]

if Mike Vick and Gonzo (lol) hadn't been taking over TV i could see this being one of those sensational things. i mean Secret Service guys could already be watching him or something

[Rogue]

They were rebuilding Ted's hunting Bronco on teevee the other day.
I agree with his 2nd amendment views, love "Stranglehold," and while I disagree with what he says here, I don't think it's a big deal. At all.

[Boarder]

The difference in what happened between Ted and the Dixie Chicks is that most of Ted's audience agrees with him (metaphorically, not literally) (ok, maybe literally, but they probably wouldn't do it. maybe). To a point, Ted and the Dixie Chicks have the same sort of audience and when they didn't agree with what the Dixie Chick said there was backlash. Ted probably got a bunch of "HEK YEAH!"s

[rufnek05]

nugent wins in the 3rd round via submission due to rear naked choke.



but why does he have two machine guns on stage?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Ted most certainly did whine and suggest that bloggers should be investigated. As for the video he says he wants to shove a machine gun up obama's a**, kill hillary with that machine gun, refers to pelosi as a whore, someone else as a bitch but I guess as long as he's saying it about democrats its not "disrespectful" like the Dixie Chicks eh?Socialism sucks, limey. Regardless of what any entertainers say, that's the bottom line. It saps enthusiasm and creativity from people.

[critical_phil]

The difference in what happened between Ted and the Dixie Chicks is that Ted looks better in a loin cloth than the fat girl in the Dixie Chicks


:hot:

[Sooner in Tampa]

Ted most certainly did whine and suggest that bloggers should be investigated. As for the video he says he wants to shove a machine gun up obama's a**, kill hillary with that machine gun, refers to pelosi as a whore, someone else as a bitch but I guess as long as he's saying it about democrats its not "disrespectful" like the Dixie Chicks eh?As has been re-hashed on these here boards time and time again...you can say whatever you want on stage. That is your constitutional right, I have the right to agree or disagree...and depending on how deeply I disagree with the artist, I may choose to not purchase their music.

As boarder said...Ted knows his crowd agrees with him...the dixie chunks also chose to say something on foreign soil (very poor taste)

Soooooooooo yes, Ted is in the clear and CHUNKS still suck fat baby arses.

[limey_sooner]

Socialism sucks, limey. Regardless of what any entertainers say, that's the bottom line. It saps enthusiasm and creativity from people.


LOL. Another well reasoned right wing talking point. Uh, remind me again, what any of this has to do with socialism?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

LOL. Another well reasoned right wing talking point. Uh, remind me again, what any of this has to do with socialism?Hope you're joking.

[usmc-sooner]

Ted most certainly did whine and suggest that bloggers should be investigated. As for the video he says he wants to shove a machine gun up obama's a**, kill hillary with that machine gun, refers to pelosi as a whore, someone else as a bitch but I guess as long as he's saying it about democrats its not "disrespectful" like the Dixie Chicks eh?

keep it up and Ted's gonna shove a machine gun up your ***

[limey_sooner]

Of course he has a right to say it, I'm not suggesting he doesn't. The point here is I heard over and over and over and over again from people who bashed the dixie chicks (who I really can't stand anyway) that this wasn't about freedom of speech, they boycotted or protested them because they were being disrespectful to the office of the president. Well if that was about being disrespectul where's the outrage over this? I guess we now know from this that was a load of crap. They were simply using the whole "fails to to show respect to the president" thing to justify their continued support for an incompetent president. As for Ted, what do you expect out of a chickenhawk who is to this day PROUD of the fact that he avoided vietnam by going to the draftboard in jeans caked in his own feces and urine.

[yermom]

it's only disrespectful if you like the person he's talking about ;)

seriously though, i'm pretty sure there are laws about talking about shooting congressmen or the first lady, former or otherwise

[usmc-sooner]

Of course he has a right to say it, I'm not suggesting he doesn't. The point here is I heard over and over and over and over again from people who bashed the dixie chicks (who I really can't stand anyway) that this wasn't about freedom of speech, they boycotted or protested them because they were being disrespectful to the office of the president. Well if that was about being disrespectul where's the outrage over this? I guess we now know from this that was a load of crap. They were simply using the whole "fails to to show respect to the president" thing to justify their continued support for an incompetent president. As for Ted, what do you expect out of a chickenhawk who is to this day PROUD of the fact that he avoided vietnam by going to the draftboard in jeans caked in his own feces and urine.

Incompetent my ***. The only thing he's done that I just outright disagree with is the Mexican boarder/amnesty thing. Which didn't get done anyways. I love it when losers on message boards get their panties in a bunch and run right to the internet type up their little political feelings and whine about the guy running the free world is incompetent. I also think it's pretty funny when they talk about how dumb he is.

As a matter of fact I'd stack his education IQ (which was higher than Kerry's) and accomplishments up against anyone. Especially anyone posting on here.

[Jimminy Crimson]

He didn't neccesarily say he was going to shoot them... ;)

And the fat dixie chick still sucks. Surprised she stopped shoving twinkies in her mouth long enough to say anything!

[IB4OU2]

Of course he has a right to say it, I'm not suggesting he doesn't. The point here is I heard over and over and over and over again from people who bashed the dixie chicks (who I really can't stand anyway) that this wasn't about freedom of speech, they boycotted or protested them because they were being disrespectful to the office of the president. Well if that was about being disrespectul where's the outrage over this? I guess we now know from this that was a load of crap. They were simply using the whole "fails to to show respect to the president" thing to justify their continued support for an incompetent president. As for Ted, what do you expect out of a chickenhawk who is to this day PROUD of the fact that he avoided vietnam by going to the draftboard in jeans caked in his own feces and urine.

Fred Bear hates you...:mad:

[Rogue]

As a matter of fact I'd stack his education IQ (which was higher than Kerry's) and accomplishments up against anyone. Especially anyone posting on here.

I would too, but I bet we disagree about the likely outcome of your experiment. :D

And, you're right, he's not incompetent. Which is what keeps worrying me. He has the propensity to march off in the wrong direction with absolute confidence that it's the right direction. Again and again.

[Sooner in Tampa]

From a famous poster on this board:

rabble rabble rabble

[C&CDean]

Heh. This is the first "normal" political thread we've had here in a long time.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Heh. This is the first "normal" political thread we've had here in a long time.How is it "normal"? What's been abnormal about the others?

[C&CDean]

How is it "normal"? What's been abnormal about the others?

**** if I know. I'm just making comments to build my post count.

[IB4OU2]

Don't bash the next president of the NRA please....

[soonerscuba]

As a matter of fact I'd stack his education IQ (which was higher than Kerry's) and accomplishments up against anyone. Especially anyone posting on here.

John Kerry and some on this board actually got into state law schools, el presidente, not so much.

He's a boob, a rich, connected boob. If his name was George W. Smith he'd be managing a paintstore in Midland, TX.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Don't bash the next president of the NRA please....Nugent won't be pres. of anything, now. Nobody can say those kinds of things and be a political survivor.

[mdklatt]

If his name was George W. Smith he'd be mismanaging a paintstore in Midland, TX.

:D

[yermom]

John Kerry and some on this board actually got into state law schools, el presidente, not so much.

He's a boob, a rich, connected boob. If his name was George W. Smith he'd be sniffing paint in Midland, TX.

fixed ;)

[Sooner in Tampa]

John Kerry and some on this board actually got into state law schools, el presidente, not so much.

He's a boob, a rich, connected boob. If his name was George W. Smith he'd be managing a paintstore in Midland, TX.HEH...you just stereotyped more than half of the rich connected folks in the real world.

It's not what you know...it's who know.

Ring a bell? :rolleyes:

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The difference, and I don't have a prob with Ted, do have a prob with The Chunks, is that Ted said this in the U.S. The Chunks said it in the U.K. away from the U.S.

I don't agree with celebrities announcing their beliefs in concerts, people want to hear music or comedy, not political commentary.

[Sooner in Tampa]

The difference, and I don't have a prob with Ted, do have a prob with The Chunks, is that Ted said this in the U.S. The Chunks said it in the U.K. away from the U.S.

I don't agree with celebrities announcing their beliefs in concerts, people want to hear music or comedy, not political commentary.BINGO!!! That is what the majority of folks have said all along.

[soonerscuba]

HEH...you just stereotyped more than half of the rich connected folks in the real world.

It's not what you know...it's who know.

Ring a bell? :rolleyes:

True, most of which have no business being leader of the free world. It's not Bush, Kennedy, or Dan Boren's fault that people are dumb enough to vote for them, but as a general rule, I will only vote for self-made men.

[Sooner in Tampa]

True, most of which have no business being leader of the free world. It's not Bush, Kennedy, or Dan Boren's fault that people are dumb enough to vote for them, but as a general rule, I will only vote for self-made men.Let me know how that works for ya.

Seriously, there damn few self made men around nowadays.

[Ike]

why the hellcrap does anyone care what a musician thinks about anything?

:les:STFU AND SING ARTSY MAN! (OR WOMAN!).

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

why the hellcrap does anyone care what a musician thinks about anything?

:les:STFU AND SING ARTSY MAN! (OR WOMAN!).OK, we can move on to something more interesting, now.(seriously?)

[picasso]

He's a boob, a rich, connected boob. If his name was George W. Smith he'd be managing a paintstore in Midland, TX.
wow, you just described most politicians in our country.

and I'll agree Dubya is a goober but he did do better in college than Lurch Kerry. Kerry's a rich boob too. He's just a gold digger.

and Al Gore's family made a butt load of money with Occidental Petroleum, blah blah fart.

whilst we're at it let's not forget Hairdo Edwards and his mega 'do mega mansion litigious bastard like ways.

burp.

[picasso]

True, most of which have no business being leader of the free world. It's not Bush, Kennedy, or Dan Boren's fault that people are dumb enough to vote for them, but as a general rule, I will only vote for self-made men.
there's no such thing. everyones gotten a break or some help along the line.

[soonerscuba]

wow, you just described most politicians in our country.

and I'll agree Dubya is a goober but he did do better in college than Lurch Kerry. Kerry's a rich boob too. He's just a gold digger.

and Al Gore's family made a butt load of money with Occidental Petroleum, blah blah fart.

whilst we're at it let's not forget Hairdo Edwards and his mega 'do mega mansion litigious bastard like ways.

burp.

Neither Kerry or Bush should be viewed as standard bearers for American education. But, I would argue that most politicans make themselves who they are without family help. John Edwards is rich, but he became one of them fancy lawyers all on his own.

[soonerscuba]

there's no such thing. everyones gotten a break or some help along the line.

You're father being director of the CIA, VP, and President from an already rich family is a bit more than "a break". Or in the case of Gore, he would be on a ranch in Tennessee if his Dad wasn't a US Senator.

[usmc-sooner]

Actually, President Bush has two Ivy league degrees
He's a pilot
He's made money in the oil and gas field
He's made money in his business ventures with the Texas Rangers
He's a two term President of the United States of America

all of that has not been just given to him.

Like I said I'll stack his education and accomplishments against anyone. Especially anyone posting here. If anyone can trump it, then post yours.

[soonerinabilene]

Actually, President Bush has two Ivy league degrees
He's a pilot
He's made money in the oil and gas field
He's made money in his business ventures with the Texas Rangers
He's a two term President of the United States of America

all of that has not been just given to him.

Like I said I'll stack his education and accomplishments against anyone. Especially anyone posting here. If anyone can trump it, then post yours.

I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

[soonerscuba]

Actually, President Bush has two Ivy league degrees
He's a pilot
He's made money in the oil and gas field
He's made money in his business ventures with the Texas Rangers
He's a two term President of the United States of America

all of that has not been just given to him.

Like I said I'll stack his education and accomplishments against anyone. Especially anyone posting here. If anyone can trump it, then post yours.

He couldn't get into UT Law, but got into Harvard MBA... curious. We aren't going to agree no matter what, I just wish Jeb was tapped instead of his dolt of a brother.

[usmc-sooner]

He couldn't get into UT Law,

that hasn't seem to hurt him.

Not picking on you scuba, but you guys that call him dolt and stuff, what are your accomplishments? It's pretty easy when someone's life is opened up for public scrutiny to pick and find things negative.

Also someone on here called him incompetent (not you scuba) but he does more competent things in a week that most people on here do their entire life.

[royalfan5]

Actually, President Bush has two Ivy league degrees
He's a pilot
He's made money in the oil and gas field
He's made money in his business ventures with the Texas Rangers
He's a two term President of the United States of America

all of that has not been just given to him.

Like I said I'll stack his education and accomplishments against anyone. Especially anyone posting here. If anyone can trump it, then post yours.
Which one of the bankrupt oil companies that he ran made money? All of them at best were a tax write off scheme.

[C&CDean]

Uh, hello? Let's get back to the greatness that is The Nuge.

[sooner_born_1960]

I once made gas in the money and oil field.

[usmc-sooner]

Which one of the bankrupt oil companies that he ran made money? All of them at best were a tax write off scheme.

he's made plenty of money.

Is that your arguement that he doesn't know how to make money or he isn't a very successful man? He turned a huge profit when he sold the Rangers.

[Rogue]

Actually, President Bush has two Ivy league degrees
He's a pilot
He's made money in the oil and gas field
He's made money in his business ventures with the Texas Rangers
He's a two term President of the United States of America

all of that has not been just given to him.

Like I said I'll stack his education and accomplishments against anyone. Especially anyone posting here. If anyone can trump it, then post yours.


Actually, President Bush has two Ivy league degrees. Nope, I went to OU. I never post on Yaleyfans.com either.
He's a pilot. Nope, didn't dodge the draft to no-show the 'Bama Nat. Guard. I was an enlisted man. I do have an honorable discharge from ACTIVE DUTY though.
He's made money in the oil and gas field. I've made money in my field.
He's made money in his business ventures with the Texas Rangers. You sure about that? I'm not sure this is the peg to hang his hat on.
He's a two term President of the United States of America. This is precisely the problem. Otherwise he's just a fortunate son and ICGAF what he does.

all of that has not been just given to him. We just disagree about this part.

[usmc-sooner]

Uh, hello? Let's get back to the greatness that is The Nuge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRjGX3jYFYk

if people don't understand that Ted is better than DC. Then you shouldn't be allowed to listen to music.

[Rogue]

Actually, President Bush has two Ivy league degrees
He's a pilot
He's made money in the oil and gas field
He's made money in his business ventures with the Texas Rangers
He's a two term President of the United States of America

all of that has not been just given to him.

Like I said I'll stack his education and accomplishments against anyone. Especially anyone posting here. If anyone can trump it, then post yours.

These qualifications look a bunch like Bill Clinton's. Except he didn't have anything to do with the Texas Rangers. And he was a "self-made man," went to Oxford, and didn't pretend to be in the military and not show up, he dodged the draft another way. OK, they don't look so much like them, but you get the point maybe?

[royalfan5]

he's made plenty of money.
but not in the oil field. Arbusto Exploration and it's successors were made of fail, per their SEC filings. George H.W. Bush made a lot of money as a oil man, but not so much his son. A rock could have made as much money by owning a stake in an MLB team, because team values appreciated so much during the 1990's.

[stoopified]

As has been re-hashed on these here boards time and time again...you can say whatever you want on stage. That is your constitutional right, I have the right to agree or disagree...and depending on how deeply I disagree with the artist, I may choose to not purchase their music.

As boarder said...Ted knows his crowd agrees with him...the dixie chunks also chose to say something on foreign soil (very poor taste)

Soooooooooo yes, Ted is in the clear and CHUNKS still suck fat baby arses.:D

[usmc-sooner]

These qualifications look a bunch like Bill Clinton's. Except he didn't have anything to do with the Texas Rangers. And he was a "self-made man," went to Oxford, and didn't pretend to be in the military and not show up, he dodged the draft another way. OK, they don't look so much like them, but you get the point maybe?

I'm not a Clinton fan but I'd never be dumb enough to try to look at his life and say he was incompetent or dumb. And Rogue he was a pilot in the Air National Guard, I've never heard him claim any other thing. You guys still haven't learned that the Dan Rather story was fictional (you know not true)

[usmc-sooner]

but not in the oil field. Arbusto Exploration and it's successors were made of fail, per their SEC filings. George H.W. Bush made a lot of money as a oil man, but not so much his son. A rock could have made as much money by owning a stake in an MLB team, because team values appreciated so much during the 1990's.

so your point is he is successful but not because an oil venture failed? Lots of oil ventures fail. He's made a fair share of money in the oil business. There's probably a lot about that business that you don't understand. He has plenty of investments on rigs, wells and minerals that have made him a nice profit.

How much money have you made by owning a stake in a MLB team. I mean if a rock could do it? Why isn't everyone doing it?

[royalfan5]

so your point is he is successful but not because an oil venture failed? Lots of oil ventures fail. He's made a fair share of money in the oil business. There's probably a lot about that business that you don't understand. He has plenty of investments on rigs, wells and minerals that have made him a nice profit.

How much money have you made by owning a stake in a MLB team. I mean if a rock could do it? Why isn't everyone doing it?
He's hardly a self-made man. All of his oil ventures failed like Oklahoma State football. His involvement with the Ranger's was limited to being the Public face of the team with a small equity stake. When the team was sold to Hicks his contract with the team as general partner contained a escalator clause that increase his take to almost 15 million. He was not in charge of financial operations of the Rangers, Rusty Rose was. He essentially made his money from MLB by being well connected and likeable. Which roughly accounts for his current net worth. If he has made very much money in the oil business, he has concealed it very, very well. As your for your comment about why doesn't everyone invest in MLB, it shows your complete lack of knowledge about how the finance and ownership structure of MLB works.

[usmc-sooner]

He's hardly a self-made man. All of his oil ventures failed like Oklahoma State football. His involvement with the Ranger's was limited to being the Public face of the team with a small equity stake. When the team was sold to Hicks his contract with the team as general partner contained a escalator clause that increase his take to almost 15 million. He was not in charge of financial operations of the Rangers, Rusty Rose was. He essentially made his money from MLB by being well connected and likeable. Which roughly accounts for his current net worth. If he has made very much money in the oil business, he has concealed it very, very well. As your for your comment about why doesn't everyone invest in MLB, it shows your complete lack of knowledge about how the finance and ownership structure of MLB works.

Well I mean you're the one said that a rock could do it. I guess I just thought if it was so easy to make millions, then you'd have at least done it. You're statement about how he made 15 million by being a likable guy shows how little you know about finance and money. Dude he does not have to disclose to anyone how many minerals he owns, He doesn't have to let you know how many over-rides in wells he has owned and made money. All he has to do is pay his taxes.

Call me when you make your first 15 million in the Ag-Lending business. :eek:

Look I know your fresh out of school out there looking for a job, or just starting and you hate the President, but there is a lot that you don't understand.

Like I said stack your accomplishments up to his. You think he's got an unfair advantage because of his dad, feel free to rely on your dad.

[mdklatt]

Well I mean you're the one said that a rock could do it. I guess I just thought if it was so easy to make millions, then you'd have at least done it.

It's easy to make millions when you start out with millions in the first place.

[royalfan5]

Well I mean you're the one said that a rock could do it. I guess I just thought if it was so easy to make millions, then you'd have at least done it. You're statement about how he made 15 million by being a likable guy shows how little you know about finance and money. Dude he does not have to disclose to anyone how many minerals he owns, He doesn't have to let you know how many over-rides in wells he has owned and made money. All he has to do is pay his taxes.

Call me when you make your first 15 million in the Ag-Lending business. :eek:

Look I know your fresh out of school out there looking for a job, or just starting and you hate the President, but there is a lot that you don't understand.
My roommate is worth multi-millions and sits at home all day in his underwear playing video games. It's not hard to be rich if your parents are. When you are involved in publicly trade operations and a Federal Officeholder you have to disclose your wealth. It's the law. I don't hate the President, but the facts are he wasn't that successful in business. I should have said a well connected rock could have made that much money in MLB due to the appreciation in franchise values due to increasing Television Contracts and sweet publicly funded stadium deal.

[usmc-sooner]

It's easy to make millions when you start out with millions in the first place.

So why didn't your dad make millions and start you out like that? There wasn't anything stopping him.

That's the reward of hard work and being successful, you get to help your kids.

[C&CDean]

It's easy to make millions when you start out with millions in the first place.

Wrong. Check and see how many lottery winners actually make money with their winnings.

[usmc-sooner]

My roommate is worth multi-millions and sits at home all day in his underwear playing video games. It's not hard to be rich if your parents are. When you are involved in publicly trade operations and a Federal Officeholder you have to disclose your wealth. It's the law. I don't hate the President, but the facts are he wasn't that successful in business. I should have said a well connected rock could have made that much money in MLB due to the appreciation in franchise values due to increasing Television Contracts and sweet publicly funded stadium deal.

My dad owns minerals in Oklahoma and makes money off the oil and gas industry. He pays a taxes on all his income. Same as the President. Like I said there's a lot you don't understand. My dad wasn't given this, he invested wisely as did Bush. So he's not successful in business? Yet he's made millionts? Not to be an *** but what are they teaching at Nebraska business schools? That you are unsuccesful at business when you make money? I thought the goal of being a business man was to make money. I'm pretty sure he's made plenty of money.

OK so why didn't you and your dad buy into a MLB team. You get your multi-millionaire friend to help you. You could turn a quick easy profit due to the appreciation in franchise values due to increasing television contracts and sweet publicly funded stadium deals. I mean you've got it all worked out, you know how to do it. Get in there and make your millions, it beats the hell out of working for boss who sends you stupid e-mails.

[royalfan5]

OK so why didn't you and your dad buy into a MLB team.
The don't let dead people buy into teams.

[IB4OU2]

Wrong. Check and see how many lottery winners actually make money with their winnings.

It's hard to make money when it's buried in a mason jar.

[usmc-sooner]

The don't let dead people buy into teams.

dude obviously you know I didn't know that.

My point was your saying that his daddy did everything for him. My point was that anyone's daddy can help them, but they have to be successful enough to do so.

Other than that get your millionare friend and you guys go turn a quick multi-million dollar profit, since it's so easy:rolleyes: then both of you can play video games in your underwear.

[Rogue]

So why didn't your dad make millions and start you out like that? There wasn't anything stopping him.

That's the reward of hard work and being successful, you get to help your kids.

That's correct, but I don't make it a habit to go around and admire kids who have rich parents. If I didn't know better, the resume' you posted would impress (and deceive) me...Ivy League, pilot, POTUS, successful at everything. Nothing wrong with rich people helping out their kids, just don't expect me to swallow the notion of how great the kid is until s/he proves it to me.

[royalfan5]

My dad owns minerals in Oklahoma and makes money off the oil and gas industry. He pays a taxes on all his income. Same as the President. Like I said there's a lot you don't understand. My dad wasn't given this, he invested wisely as did Bush. So he's not successful in business? Yet he's made millionts? Not to be an *** but what are they teaching at Nebraska business schools? That you are unsuccesful at business when you make money? I thought the goal of being a business man was to make money. I'm pretty sure he's made plenty of money.

OK so why didn't you and your dad buy into a MLB team. You get your multi-millionaire friend to help you. You could turn a quick easy profit due to the appreciation in franchise values due to increasing television contracts and sweet publicly funded stadium deals. I mean you've got it all worked out, you know how to do it. Get in there and make your millions, it beats the hell out of working for boss who sends you stupid e-mails.
They teach us that Chapter 11 is a bad thing to be in for one. Have you ever read through the records of Bush's oil companies? They are pretty sorry. Coming up with a lot of money is often times a function of connections more than skill.

In addition, my business ventures have consistently been profitable, and I am well positioned to build on that in the near future. So I wouldn't worry about it.

[usmc-sooner]

That's correct, but I don't make it a habit to go around and admire kids who have rich parents. If I didn't know better, the resume' you posted would impress (and deceive) me...Ivy League, pilot, POTUS, successful at everything. Nothing wrong with rich people helping out their kids, just don't expect me to swallow the notion of how great the kid is until s/he proves it to me.

I'm sure he is real worried about his list of accomplishments to impress people.

So geeze what else would he have to do for you say that's a pretty accomplished person, be Gov. of Texas? Geeze you guys are hard to please.

[royalfan5]

As a point of order on the oil well ownership claims. His personal federal financial records that are available to the public declare no ownership of oil assets. Everything he has now is in T-Bills and CD's.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Geeze you guys are hard to please.Not hard at all. Just go D, and everything you do from there on is good, or at least, not bad.

[usmc-sooner]

They teach us that Chapter 11 is a bad thing to be in for one. Have you ever read through the records of Bush's oil companies? They are pretty sorry. Coming up with a lot of money is often times a function of connections more than skill.

In addition, my business ventures have consistently been profitable, and I am well positioned to build on that in the near future. So I wouldn't worry about it.

so do you know how many mineral acres he owns, how much he makes of the leases and royalty, do you know if has invested money and bought into over rides, and Working Interests in producing wells? You're in over your head you don't understand this like you think you do.

I mean you've got connections with your multi-millionaire roomate. I'm sure Chapter 11 is bad, but he's come through looking pretty good.

Another thing you've been posting about all your job interviews, which I wish you well and now your business ventures are on par with Bush. C'mon man, think about it.

[usmc-sooner]

As a point of order on the oil well ownership claims. His personal federal financial records that are available to the public declare no ownership of oil assets. Everything he has now is in T-Bills and CD's.

you don't report your mineral ownership, as it is not taxed just the income you make off of it. He does not have oil assets. It's like investing or gambling. I know you're trying but you don't understand this.

[royalfan5]

so do you know how many mineral acres he owns, how much he makes of the leases and royalty, do you know if has invested money and bought into over rides, and Working Interests in producing wells? You're in over your head you don't understand this like you think you do.

I mean you've got connections with your multi-millionaire roomate. I'm sure Chapter 11 is bad, but he's come through looking pretty good.

Another thing you've been posting about all your job interviews, which I wish you well and now your business ventures are on par with Bush. C'mon man, think about it.
Yes. What part of the fact that Public officials have to disclose all their assets don't you understand. I will link his public financial filings if you like. Just because you know something about the oil business doesn't mean George W. Bush is involved in it currently, or within the past 15 years.

[usmc-sooner]

Yes. What part of the fact that Public officials have to disclose all their assets don't you understand. I will link his public financial filings if you like. Just because you know something about the oil business doesn't mean George W. Bush is involved in it currently, or within the past 15 years.

What part of you don't have disclose how many mineral acres since you're not paying taxes on it do you not understand. There are wells producing in Texas that he and his family and his investment companys make money off of.

[usmc-sooner]

this is a pretty cool video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE45DCRzFOM


I'm tired of arguing about the extraordinary success of George W. Bush.

[SoonerBorn68]

Wow, this thread went from Ted Nugent/Dixie Chicks bitching about politics to a "I'm jealous of the rich guys" rant.

That's what I like about the US--it's not fair.

[SoonerBorn68]

If you're bitchin' about being poor, realize you're posting on a message board instead of figuring out how to make more money.

[usmc-sooner]

If you're bitchin' about being poor, realize you're posting on a message board instead of figuring out how to make more money.

hahahahahahaha

[royalfan5]

What part of you don't have disclose how many mineral acres since you're not paying taxes on it do you not understand. There are wells producing in Texas that he and his family and his investment companys make money off of.
This isn't about taxes. Federal Officials have to disclose everything they own and get right down to the gifts they get from people. If he is making money from oil he is failing to disclose that income to the people.

[royalfan5]

Wow, this thread went from Ted Nugent/Dixie Chicks bitching about politics to a "I'm jealous of the rich guys" rant.

That's what I like about the US--it's not fair.
Who said anything about being jealous. Accepting that fact that not everyone earns their money through skill isn't jealousy.

[usmc-sooner]

This isn't about taxes. Federal Officials have to disclose everything they own and get right down to the gifts they get from people. If he is making money from oil he is failing to disclose that income to the people.

there you go, you've nailed the son of a bitch. That miserable excuse for a failure. Daddies boy, rich kid. I've heard GHB has to come over and bang Laura cause W is a failure at that too.

[StoopTroup]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=757_1187963465

A language warning for this link by the way. For all of those critical of the dixie chicks being "disrespectful" in a single comment about the president in london how do you feel about Ted being "disrespectful" to several senators by screaming about how he much he wants to shoot them?
Sounds like Ted's been hanging with Michael Richards working on his stand up comedy rountine.

http://clivedavis.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/richards.jpg

[usmc-sooner]

Sounds like Ted's been hanging with Michael Richards working on his stand up comedy rountine.

Gawd I love the K man.

[mdklatt]

Who said anything about being jealous. Accepting that fact that not everyone earns their money through skill isn't jealousy.

C'mon, it takes real talent to choose your parents.

[royalfan5]

there you go, you've nailed the son of a bitch. That miserable excuse for a failure. Daddies boy, rich kid. I've heard GHB has to come over and bang Laura cause W is a failure at that too.
It seems you are a bit over defensive of the President's past. None of which has anything to do with the Job he is doing as President. I think you could make the argument that he has been far more successful at being President than any of his other ventures. He's been a pretty decent President during a difficult time, and history will likely remember him far kinder than he is thought of right now.

[SoonerBorn68]

there you go, you've nailed the son of a bitch. That miserable excuse for a failure. Daddies boy, rich kid. I've heard GHB has to come over and bang Laura cause W is a failure at that too.

If the Demcrats with the POTUS election in '08 I don't care if they cure cancer, balance the budget or write me a check for $5 million--I'll still call them pieces of crap and lowlife immoral mf's--just cause I can. :)

[usmc-sooner]

C'mon, it takes real talent to choose your parents.

apples don't fall far from the tree, therefore if your parents are losers, you probably will be.

if not then you can be like George W. Bush, President extraordinaire with mad money making skills.

[royalfan5]

apples don't fall far from the tree, therefore if your parents are losers, you probably will be.

if not then you can be like George W. Bush, President extraordinaire with mad money making skills.
Having a net worth of 9 to 26 million isn't that big of an accomplishment.

[mdklatt]

I think you could make the argument that he has been far more successful at being President than any of his other ventures.

He was much better as a governor. I think a lot of the crap the past six years has been a masterful act of pandering (Rove) and pupeteering (Cheney et al).

Somebody said earlier they wished Jeb had been tapped for president. I guess he wasn't malleable enough.

[SoonerBorn68]

Having a net worth of 9 to 26 million isn't that big of an accomplishment.

:rolleyes:

[usmc-sooner]

It seems you are a bit over defensive of the President's past. None of which has anything to do with the Job he is doing as President. I think you could make the argument that he has been far more successful at being President than any of his other ventures. He's been a pretty decent President during a difficult time, and history will likely remember him far kinder than he is thought of right now.

I just get tired of people raggin on the man, when they don't jack shi% other than stuff they gleen off the internet or hear on news. Nobody on this board is a succesful as him, by a long shot yet you guys want to talk **** about what a bad business man he is.
When someone on this board accomplishes what he has thin I'll listen with open ears to what they have to criticize about the man. I mean if I got to make a choice of who's success I'd rather have I'm just saying I'm taking George W. Bush over royalfan from the internet. Not putting you down. I'm just saying that's where I'd fall. Anyways I'm tired of arguing about it.

[royalfan5]

:rolleyes:
Think about how much on average many of the other Harvard MBA's are worth currently? In his statistical cohort, he likely isn't ranked all that high.

[usmc-sooner]

Having a net worth of 9 to 26 million isn't that big of an accomplishment.

chump change

call me when you get their.

[royalfan5]

I just get tired of people raggin on the man, when they don't jack shi% other than stuff they gleen off the internet or hear on news. Nobody on this board is a succesful as him, by a long shot yet you guys want to talk **** about what a bad business man he is.
When someone on this board accomplishes what he has thin I'll listen with open ears to what they have to criticize about the man. I mean if I got to make a choice of who's success I'd rather have I'm just saying I'm taking George W. Bush over royalfan from the internet. Not putting you down. I'm just saying that's where I'd fall. Anyways I'm tired of arguing about it.
I don't believe stating the facts about a very spotty career as an oilman is putting him down.

[mdklatt]

apples don't fall far from the tree, therefore if your parents are losers, you probably will be.

if not then you can be like George W. Bush, President extraordinaire with mad money making skills.

You must love the Kennedy family.

[C&CDean]

It's about TED people. You're starting to **** me off.

[mdklatt]

It's about TED people. You're starting to **** me off.

Ted Kennedy?

[SoonerBorn68]

I'll bet Ted's worth some bucks.

[StoopTroup]

That's correct, but I don't make it a habit to go around and admire kids who have rich parents. If I didn't know better, the resume' you posted would impress (and deceive) me...Ivy League, pilot, POTUS, successful at everything. Nothing wrong with rich people helping out their kids, just don't expect me to swallow the notion of how great the kid is until s/he proves it to me.
I went to School with some pretty rich kids in HS...

Your right on about that...

There are some of them that have gone on to do very well on their own without Mom and Dad.

There are some of them that think it's Mom and Dad's fault they have it so rough.

Divorce in the Family is what screwed up most of them IMO. Watching Mom and Dad fight over money and use their Kids to do battle...shameful...

Conrad Hilton III was at my School for awhile. I liked the guy. He was very creative on how to solve problems. Wish he would have stayed for more than one year.

I think he was Conrad Nicholas Hilton, III

Conrad Jr. was married to Liz Taylor and oil heiress Patricia "Trish" McClintock.

Trish was his Mother I believe.

[SoonerBorn68]

Think about how much on average many of the other Harvard MBA's are worth currently? In his statistical cohort, he likely isn't ranked all that high.

Likely? Is this how you feel or are you pulling numbers out of your ***?

[royalfan5]

Likely? Is this how you feel or are you pulling numbers out of your ***?
Think about what percentage of Harvard MBA's go into investment banking, which is a very lucrative field. Being worth 25 million or so, doesn't put you that high up on the totem pole. There are at least 38,400 people with higher net worths than the President in the United States.

[SoonerBorn68]

Thank God. I'd hate to think the richest man in the United States would even want that headache.

You might as well be arguing over play money. You're throwing all these big numbers out there of which I would be happy to have a net worth of 1%.

I just think it's funny you're smacking around a man who's net worth is worth at least 100K times more than you--and yes, I pulled that # out of my ***.

[royalfan5]

Thank God. I'd hate to think the richest man in the United States would even want that headache.

You might as well be arguing over play money. You're throwing all these big numbers out there of which I would be happy to have a net worth of 1%.

I just think it's funny you're smacking around a man who's net worth is worth at least 100K times more than you--and yes, I pulled that # out of my ***.
I just think it's funny to slobber over a guy who hasn't been that successful as a businessman. Net worth is kind of a crappy way of keeping score, anyway. When you look at is somebody with his family connections and educational background that big of a success in business at that level of net worth? He certainly isn't near the business man that George H.W. Bush was. Zapata was far more successful than anything W did as a business man.

[mdklatt]

Things I learned from this thread:

1) Celebrities should STFU (unless you agree with them).

2) The Dixie Chicks suck whether you agree with them or not.

3) If you're going to criticize the president, make sure you do it in the US because then nobody will mind.

4) People who aren't born into money are big losers just like their no-oil-money-havin' parents.

EDIT:

5) Ted Nugent rawks whether you agree with him or not. \m/

[def_lazer_fc]

personally i could care less what any of these people have to say. i will never forgive nugent for Damn Yankees, and i hate country music, so i have no bias to support any of em. the dixie chicks are so bland, its nauseating, and the nuge, well, he hasn't really been relevant in, oh....forever. but the nuge is pretty funny in that crazy drunken hillbilly uncle kind of way, so he can say whatever he wants. hell, anyone can say what they want. too many people with too thin of skin in this world.

but i have enjoyed the argument on whether or not bush was successful. but if i have to hear the phrase, "you don't understand as much as you think" one more time, i might pull an Owen Wilson. no one on here understands as much as they think. no one.

[Chuck Bao]

This thread gets five stars for creativity and entertainment.

What a weird world it would be if our ability to criticise the sitting US president would be based on whether our own accomplishments exceeded his. I've never gone bankrupt, so what do I know?

Dixie Chicks (even the fat ones) win in this silly stage political rant comparison, in my opinion. At least they had some reasons/points.

Ted has produced some great music and may be playing to the local crowd. He loses big time by the semi-automatic and saying "ride this" to politicians he disagrees with and then shouting "FREEDOM."

Ummm...Mr. Nugent....not everyone will agree with your idea of freedom if it involves sticking a semi-automatic rifle up theirs if they have a different opinion.

These are stage acts, I realize. And, it's pretty funny if you don't take it seriously.

What was I talking about? Oh, five stars, no less.

[picasso]

hehe

[yermom]

semi-auto? ;)

[usmc-sooner]

This thread gets five stars for creativity and entertainment.

What a weird world it would be if our ability to criticise the sitting US president would be based on whether our own accomplishments exceeded his. I've never gone bankrupt, so what do I know?



well I don't think I've ever heard you saying someone wasn't successful because they net worth is only 36 million. Which he's going to make a lot more before it's said and done. Nor have you scoured the net to look at his assets.
Criticize him all you want. But if you're going to tell me someone who has 36 million dollars, sucks at business then I'm going to laugh. Especially if you got to throw in your multi-million dollar roomate to back your arguement. Love him or hate you got to realize nobody walks *** backwards into that much success.
I'll tell you what you know Chuck, it's Thai Trannies :D

[yermom]

so anyone that has made millions of dollars somehow is beyond criticism

awesome.

[usmc-sooner]

so anyone that has made millions of dollars somehow is beyond criticism

awesome.

where did you get that.

My point is that he is successful, I find it funny that people who aren't as successful harp on him by saying he doesn't have that much money only 36 million.

next time read what I write you no money having loser, liberal ---------------------------->>>>>>>:D :D :D :D

just in case the smileys don't work I'm kidding

[royalfan5]

where did you get that.

My point is that he is successful, I find it funny that people who aren't as successful harp on him by saying he doesn't have that much money only 36 million.

next time read what I write you no money having loser, liberal ---------------------------->>>>>>>:D :D :D :D

just in case the smileys don't work I'm kidding
Yes, because 25 year old's should be expected to have the same record of success as a 60 year old. I got my master's at a younger age than the President did and have less DUI's than Bush did at similar points in our lives.

[usmc-sooner]

Yes, because 25 year old's should be expected to have the same record of success as a 60 year old. I got my master's at a younger age than the President did and have less DUI's than Bush did at similar points in our lives.

but Bush didn't get his masters in Cattle Feeding from East Nebraska State


:D

[royalfan5]

but Bush didn't get his masters in Cattle Feeding from East Nebraska State


:D
Maybe he did, he never says much about what he was doing at age 25.

[usmc-sooner]

Maybe he did, he never says much about what he was doing at age 25.

he was probably on the internet posting about how successful he was.

[royalfan5]

he was probably on the internet posting about how successful he was.
Maybe that's what he meant by being a nomad at that age.

[usmc-sooner]

Maybe that's what he meant by being a nomad at that age.

actually I think he was living in the Sahara, with his camel just roaming.

[Sooner in Tampa]

Think about how much on average many of the other Harvard MBA's are worth currently? In his statistical cohort, he likely isn't ranked all that high.:rolleyes: You're right...he is only the leader of the most powerful nation on the entire planet

[usmc-sooner]

:rolleyes: You're right...he is only the leader of the most powerful nation on the entire planet

I tried using logic, already.

[Sooner in Tampa]

I tried using logic, already.my bad, I won't try that again

[royalfan5]

:rolleyes: You're right...he is only the leader of the most powerful nation on the entire planet
Being the leader on the most powerful nation on earth has nothing to do with business success or net worth. If we went on business success, Cheney would be President.

[OCUDad]

I don't have a dog in this hunt -- I don't think much one way or another about Nugent or the Dixie Chicks. I just want to point out that by the logic of net worth, Paris Hilton is hugely successful.

[Jerk]

I had high hopes for this thread.

I thought it would be about machines guns, rifles, pistols, shotguns, and...rock and roll...http://sillysoft.net/forums/images/smiles/smiley_headbanger.gif

[usmc-sooner]

Being the leader on the most powerful nation on earth has nothing to do with business success or net worth. If we went on business success, Cheney would be President.

if you think his net worth isn't successful you aint qualified to run the feed lot in Pigeon Forge, SD.

and like OCU said about Paris Hilton.

I posted this on page 2 or 3, I'd put him up against anyone here who feels they can match his success. You've scoured the internet to learn about his assets, even though you don't quite (actually not anywhere near the ballpark) understand the oil business. Post yours.

I mean you room with a guy worth millions. You know how the millionaires roll. :rolleyes:

I'm still trying to understand why a multi millionaire is rooming with anyone other than a hawt *** chick or two.

[royalfan5]

if you think his net worth isn't successful you aint qualified to run the feed lot in Pigeon Forge, SD.

and like OCU said about Paris Hilton.

I posted this on page 2 or 3, I'd put him up against anyone here who feels they can match his success. You've scoured the internet to learn about his assets, even though you don't quite (actually not anywhere near the ballpark) understand the oil business. Post yours.

I mean you room with a guy worth millions. You know how the millionaires roll. :rolleyes:

I'm still trying to understand why a multi millionaire is rooming with anyone other than a hawt *** chick or two.
Because we are friends. He wants someone to hang out, watch football, and drink beer with, and I want a cheap deal on somewhere to sleep. Tell me what I am missing about Bush's involvement in the oil business. Show me how Spectrum 7, Harkin, and Arbusto were successes inspite of all other evidence to the contrary.

[SoonerBorn68]

Tell me what I am missing about Bush's involvement in the oil business. Show me how Spectrum 7, Harkin, and Arbusto were successes inspite of all other evidence to the contrary.


I guess it's easy to bag on a guy's 30 year investment history when you've just barely started your career & have exactly 0 experience in the real world but know it all.

[usmc-sooner]

Because we are friends. He wants someone to hang out, watch football, and drink beer with, and I want a cheap deal on somewhere to sleep. Tell me what I am missing about Bush's involvement in the oil business. Show me how Spectrum 7, Harkin, and Arbusto were successes inspite of all other evidence to the contrary.

well since you don't understand about the oil and gas investments not always being a tangible asset you wouldn't understand, pretty much from page 3 to present.

I get it a multi-millionaire needs a roomate to hang out, watch football and drink beer with. That's exactly why I live with 3 millionaire playmates, they need someone to hang out with, drink beer and watch football games, not to mention all the wild orgies we have.

[royalfan5]

I guess it's easy to bag on a guy's 30 year investment history when you've just barely started your career & have exactly 0 experience in the real world but know it all.
Tell me why I should be awed by someone who was consistently bailed out of failed ventures by his father's friends, and then hit it big by getting involved in a low risk deal via personal connections. I don't think the Bush himself claims to be a successful oilman. People make their millions different ways, and it doesn't always require a great deal of skill. I haven't bagged on his Governmental leadership at all. Bush is a far better politician than businessman, and I think he would agree with that assessment himself.

[SoonerBorn68]

...and then hit it big by getting involved in a low risk deal via personal connections.

That sounds like a smart businessman to me. Use every advantage and connection you have.

[royalfan5]

well since you don't understand about the oil and gas investments not always being a tangible asset you wouldn't understand, pretty much from page 3 to present.

I get it a multi-millionaire needs a roomate to hang out, watch football and drink beer with. That's exactly why I live with 3 millionaire playmates, they need someone to hang out with, drink beer and watch football games, not to mention all the wild orgies we have.
and I don't think you understand that Bush hasn't been involved in the oil business for many years. Do you think that if Bush owned significant mineral assets he wouldn't have been raked through the coals even harder than he has been. Haven't the allegations always been that Bush's friends in the oil business benefit from his policies, not Bush on a personal financial level?

Why do you assume that a multi-millionare can't be a normal guy and hang out like a regular person?

[Mongo]

My baby she like to rock
My baby she like to roll
My baby she can dance all night
My baby got no control
She do the Wango Tango

[SoonerBorn68]

I used a connection to get my present job & my W2 for 2007 will be roughly 5 times that of 2004.

[usmc-sooner]

I guess it's easy to bag on a guy's 30 year investment history when you've just barely started your career & have exactly 0 experience in the real world but know it all.

he's roomies with a "multi-millionaire" and his boss sends him stupid emails. Heck it wasn't too long ago he was inquiring about jobs in local towns in rural Oklahoma. I guess his business ventures and millionaire roomate didn't want to take that job in Anadarko, Oklahoma.

[royalfan5]

That sounds like a smart businessman to me. Use every advantage and connection you have.
Sure it's smart, but it doesn't make him wildly successful.

[SoonerBorn68]

My baby she like to rock
My baby she like to roll
My baby she can dance all night
My baby got no control
She do the Wango Tango

You take her right ankle out
You take her left ankle out
You get her belly propped down
You get her butt propped up

[SoonerBorn68]

Sure it's smart, but it doesn't make him wildly successful.

Successful enough to have multi millions in the bank.

[royalfan5]

he's roomies with a "multi-millionaire" and his boss sends him stupid emails. Heck it wasn't too long ago he was inquiring about jobs in local towns in rural Oklahoma. I guess his business ventures and millionaire roomate didn't want to take that job in Anadarko, Oklahoma.
My bosses emails aren't stupid, they are plentiful. I was interested in trying new things in my career and moving around to widen my horizons. I found a better job to do that, and keep a closer eye on my existing ventures. It turns out I could do much better than the jobs I was initially pursuing. My point about the millionaire roommate is that he is a multi-millionaire and has never needed to work for it. Yet, he still is a normal guy and can sustain relationships with people of far less priviledged backgrounds.

[Mongo]

Yeah you look so good baby I'm startin to drool all over myself
I got the droolin', droolin', get all wet, salivate, salivate
I got slimy legs, slimy legs, slimy legs
Got slimy, slimy, slimy, slimy, heh heh heh

[royalfan5]

Successful enough to have multi millions in the bank.
Doesn't that really constitute being wildly successful in business, as compared to somebody who started with very little, and became a multi-millonaire? There are many, many people who have more successful track records in business than the president.

[SoonerBorn68]

...And the damn's thing's open!

OH! Get in there!

Is my baby alive?
Is my baby alive?
Is my baby alive?

She's been wango'd to death!

[usmc-sooner]

My bosses emails aren't stupid, they are plentiful. I was interested in trying new things in my career and moving around to widen my horizons. I found a better job to do that, and keep a closer eye on my existing ventures. It turns out I could do much better than the jobs I was initially pursuing. My point about the millionaire roommate is that he is a multi-millionaire and has never needed to work for it. Yet, he still is a normal guy and can sustain relationships with people of far less priviledged backgrounds.

My boss has this habit of sending out an email for each thought he has. For example, this morning I received five emails of one sentence apiece on the same topic, including two of those were telling me he was going to send another email in a minute. These were all sent within a 10 minute span. Does anyone get emails in groupings like this?

I'm quoting you here, sounds pretty stupid to me. .

[r5TPsooner]

I saw Ted in 2000 when he opened for KISS. He was going off on Jesse Jackson and some other poor shmuck. Only this time he was using a bow and arrow with the arrow exploding upon contact.

He's pretty funny regardless of your political affiliation.

[StoopTroup]

Ted must scare the heck out of some of them...lol

[CatfishSooner]

Ted Rocks!

[TheHumanAlphabet]

he's made plenty of money.

Is that your arguement that he doesn't know how to make money or he isn't a very successful man? He turned a huge profit when he sold the Rangers.

USMC - I'm with you man, but making money on the Rangers doesn't mean much. Hell Hillary made butt-loads of money on Whitewater and the Comodities market, but I wouldn't call her an expert an any of that, it was a way to funnel money to them.

[limey_sooner]

Damn I'm disappointed. I come back to see 145 replies on the thread i started hoping to see a bitchy cat fight about Ted and the Dixie chicks and get this. So disappointing, so very disappointing.

[limey_sooner]

In terms of what kind of "success" George Bush is, I think its only appropriate to quote Barry here.

“Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple.”

In this case George got a long sacrifice fly to get him all the way home.

[Jerk]

In terms of what kind of "success" George Bush is, I think its only appropriate to quote Barry here.

“Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple.”

In this case George got a long sacrifice fly to get him all the way home.

It's that way with most of the politicians in Washington.

Some of them, like the drunk swimmer Ted Kennedy, probably never could have made a dime outside of their Senate salary.

I bet that fat f****er would be a hobo if it weren't for his last name.

[Sooner in Tampa]

It's that way with most of the politicians in Washington.

Some of them, like the drunk swimmer Ted Kennedy, probably never could have made a dime outside of their Senator's salary.Amen...and that was covered a couple of pages ago.

[limey_sooner]

It's that way with most of the politicians in Washington.

Some of them, like the drunk swimmer Ted Kennedy, probably never could have made a dime outside of their Senate salary.

I bet that fat f****er would be a hobo if it weren't for his last name.


Good. We agree then. Bush is no better than Ted Kennedy.

[Jerk]

Good. We agree then. Bush is no better than Ted Kennedy.

Nice logical jump, there, skip.

[limey_sooner]

Nice logical jump, there, skip.
Yep, in a discussion of Bush being born with a silverspoon in his mouth, you agree, and then bring up Ted Kennedy. You made the logic pretty easy there sparky.

[Sooner in Tampa]

Good. We agree then. Bush is no better than Ted Kennedy.:rolleyes: Yeah...because GWB was drunk and killed someone...and just left them. :rolleyes:

[def_lazer_fc]

:rolleyes: Yeah...because GWB was drunk and killed someone...and just left them. :rolleyes:
nope, that was Laura's job.

i keed, i keed!!

[yermom]

W just got lucky and didn't kill anyone while driving drunk ;)