Alberto Gonzales steps down.

[slickdawg]

Can't believe it actually happened. Check your favorite news source.

[jk the sooner fan]

finally

now who will they go after

[slickdawg]

I just looked on CNN's site, they say Chertoff moves from DHS to AG.

[OklahomaTuba]

Chertoff is good. Not that it really matters though.

Glad it finally happened, Gonzo was a freaking idiot.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

CNN is orgasming all over themselves...

Not that I like Gonzales, but I hate CNN. And before someone chimes in, my options are CNN, BBC blabbing about India and Pakistan, Discovery channel in Thai, ABC Australia and some Aussie soap and then there is the Thai soaps...

[OklahomaTuba]

What's Janet Reno doing these days? ;)

[Hatfield]

i wonder if he will remember resigning?

Chertoff is good???

i imagine he will be facing some challenges as he was the face of homeland security/katrina/FEMA

just more for the talking heads to rabble rabble about.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Zing! It was harder to do than most of them, but they finally got him.

[jk the sooner fan]

Zing! It was harder to do than most of them, but they finally got him.

if by "they", you mean "himself"

then i agree

its ok to admit that he was his own worst enemy, you'll feel better

give it a try

[rufnek05]

he did make himself like a jackass

[OklahomaTuba]

i wonder if he will remember resigning?

Chertoff is good???

i imagine he will be facing some challenges as he was the face of homeland security/katrina/FEMA

just more for the talking heads to rabble rabble about.

FEMA was that Brown guy.

Chertoff has had tight control over HLS for the last few years, and has really done a lot to break down some of the walls in information gathering it seems.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

if by "they", you mean "himself"

then i agree

its ok to admit that he was his own worst enemy, you'll feel better

give it a trySorry, we agree sometimes. He was just another target, and much harder to bring down than most have been.

[Hatfield]

Sorry, we agree sometimes. He was just another target, and much harder to bring down than most have been.

but if Gonzo had just been upfront in the beginning there would have been nothing to "go after" him about. i think that is the point jk is making.

[jk the sooner fan]

he's not a bad guy, and he's not incompetent....i just think he handled a sensitive situation poorly

but i also blame his boss for some of that as well

[bri]

SUCCESS, COMRADES!!!

[jk the sooner fan]

but if Gonzo had just been upfront in the beginning there would have been nothing to "go after" him about. i think that is the point jk is making.

exactly

if he AND the administration had just come out and said "this is what we did, and why we did it"

much ado about nothing

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

but if Gonzo had just been upfront in the beginning there would have been nothing to "go after" him about. i think that is the point jk is making.They got him. That's what really matters. Cheney and Bush are about all they haven't been able to topple, yet.

[jk the sooner fan]

its easy to get a target when the target sits there and allows itself to be a target

sometimes turning the tables and going after the hunter are whats necessary

turning the other cheek and taking the high road in silence isnt always the answer

[JohnnyMack]

RLIMC you're in full Bunker Mode this morning, aren't you?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

RLIMC you're in full Bunker Mode this morning, aren't you?America is at war. You guys know it, but a lot on my side don't, or don't want to acknowledge it. It's sad that the situation exists, but there don't appear to be any signs of the problem lessening.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I'm sorry...and this has to do with Alberto Gonzales...HOW?

[soonerscuba]

America is at war. You guys know it, but a lot on my side don't, or don't want to acknowledge it. It's sad that the situation exists, but there don't appear to be any signs of the problem lessening.

America is at war with who again? What are those on "your side" not acknowledging? And what problem isn't lessening?

I'm not baiting, I am just confused.

Oh, Alberto Gonzales doesn't deserve to be AG for a lot of reasons, but first among them is that he couldn't argue his way out of a problem that was within his right in the first place, dolt.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

America is at war with who again? What are those on "your side" not acknowledging? And what problem isn't lessening?

I'm not baiting, I am just confused.

I know, I know.

[jk the sooner fan]

seriously, if you cant connect the dots from the AG to the issues involving the war on terror, then you've got your head buried in the sand as badly as RLIMC does

[LosAngelesSooner]

I'm just curious about how removing a barely competent and very untrustworthy man from a job he's botched is going to HURT the war on terror?

I would think getting a better man in the job would BENEFIT our efforts.

[jk the sooner fan]

he's far from incompetent

he simply took the wrong course of action on handling a situation he was entitled to handle the way he did

but yes, a new AG will be helpful.....but i'd also argue that AG's actions have not hurt the war on terror...after all, a democratic controlled congress just passed a new anti-terror law that is just as invasive for wire taps as ever before

[LosAngelesSooner]

And don't think I'm happy about that anti-constitutional law, either.

No, I think he's incompetent because he's a lawyer who couldn't talk himself out of a simple matter. They're supposed to be good at stuff like that. You know...arguing...and stuff?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

exactly

if he AND the administration had just come out and said "this is what we did, and why we did it"

much ado about nothing

That's my understanding, according to my undersanding of the constitution, the US AGs serve at the pleasure of the President. If he wants to replace you, you are no longer serving at the pleasure of the President and you are gone. I see no problem here, CLinton did it, every president before Bush did it. I don't know why they didn't just say that...But no, it might look bad to the Dems (or the opposition party). But so what, nothing was done illegally or unconstitutionally.

[jk the sooner fan]

That's my understanding, according to my undersanding of the constitution, the US AGs serve at the pleasure of the President. If he wants to replace you, you are no longer serving at the pleasure of the President and you are gone. I see no problem here, CLinton did it, every president before Bush did it. I don't know why they didn't just say that...But no, it might look bad to the Dems (or the opposition party). But so what, nothing was done illegally or unconstitutionally.

AG simply took the issue of responding to the inquiry as the administration does with everything else.......they've got a bunker mentality and its done nothing but pi5s off congress and everybody else who thinks they have a right to dig into it....its been a horrible method of communicating with the american public and its not buried Alberto

i think he was merely trying to toe the line between being loyal to his boss and keeping his *** out of the congressional firing line

he became a convenient and easy target

[soonerscuba]

seriously, if you cant connect the dots from the AG to the issues involving the war on terror, then you've got your head buried in the sand as badly as RLIMC does

No, I was just asking RLBIMC about who isn't aware of the war on terror (or the MSM). I don't have my head buried, it just seemed like an odd thing to say, even for Rush.

And seriously, I can connect the dots from terrorists to AG, don't be daft.

[soonerscuba]

That's my understanding, according to my undersanding of the constitution, the US AGs serve at the pleasure of the President. If he wants to replace you, you are no longer serving at the pleasure of the President and you are gone. I see no problem here, CLinton did it, every president before Bush did it. I don't know why they didn't just say that...But no, it might look bad to the Dems (or the opposition party). But so what, nothing was done illegally or unconstitutionally.

Well, it's highly unusual to do it mid-term (as opposed to other presidents who commonly do this at the beginning of terms). That's what raised eyebrows, not that the act of firing them.

It could be argued that the president is not serving the public at large by removing US Attorneys mid-term for an overtly politcal reason, it's within his right, but Congress is going to talk about it.

[GrapevineSooner]

but if Gonzo had just been upfront in the beginning there would have been nothing to "go after" him about. i think that is the point jk is making.

Which belies the underlying problem with this administration.

Get out in front of issues and embrace transparency.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

RLBIMC okay, I'll bite. What's the B for, butt? what?

[GottaHavePride]

Just as a reminder: the High Moddy Council decided a few months back that we were cracking down on the use of "libz", "pubz", and other such insulting names for opposing political viewpoints. Carry on.

[Harry Beanbag]

Just as a reminder: the High Moddy Council decided a few months back that we were cracking down on the use of "libz", "pubz", and other such insulting names for opposing political viewpoints. Carry on.


Seriously?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Seriously?All I remember about it was no use of the term dim in thread titles, re mod Rich.

[GrapevineSooner]

Just as a reminder: the High Moddy Council decided a few months back that we were cracking down on the use of "libz", "pubz", and other such insulting names for opposing political viewpoints. Carry on.

Fascist Anarchist socialist NEOCONS!!!!!!
























;)

[jk the sooner fan]

Seriously?

wow, times....they are a changin

[GottaHavePride]

Seriously?
Yes. All the way back in April. Threads featuring those terms are highly likely to turn into a shouting match leading to a lockdown and several bannings, so several mods and admins issued a blanket "verboten" on those. This is just a friendly reminder.

[Harry Beanbag]

I guess I had no idea libz and pubz were considered insults. Aren't they more like abbreviations? :confused:

I think the shouting matches are caused by the tone and content of the posts, not cute little nicknames. Guess that's just me though.

[Vaevictis]

I think the shouting matches are caused by the tone and content of the posts, not cute little nicknames. Guess that's just me though.

The cute little nicknames can contribute to the tone (most obvious one being 'dim' here.)

[critical_phil]

I guess I had no idea libz and pubz were considered insults. Aren't they more like abbreviations? :confused:

I think the shouting matches are caused by the tone and content of the posts, not cute little nicknames. Guess that's just me though.


you're skating on thin ice, mister.

[def_lazer_fc]

im still wondering why chertoff would be a good replacement as ag.

[Vaevictis]

If he wants to replace you, you are no longer serving at the pleasure of the President and you are gone. I see no problem here, CLinton did it, every president before Bush did it.

Ah, but here's the trick: Traditionally, it's done at certain times. Outside of those times, sacking an attorney for reasons other than cause is going to raise questions. Why are you sacking them now? And the answer should not be for political reasons. (note that I said "should not" there, not "must not")

It's just a classic case of, "Just because you can, that doesn't mean you should."

In order to do its job properly, the Justice Department is perceived to need a certain level of independence from the President; ie, it should be independent enough to investigate things that the President doesn't necessarily want them investigating, and independent enough to say that they're not going to launch investigations for the President's political advantage.

If the President starts firing attorneys at any time, for any reason (even though it's his right!) it destroys even the illusion of independence, which is why you have all this hand-wringing going on.

The heart of the matter is the following adage (learned from my father): The appearance of impropriety is itself improper. This appears like it might be improper, so even if it ain't, it is.

(And as an aside, if the Bush administration would take that adage to heart, they'd save themselves a hell of a lot of headaches. A great many of the things that are causing them problems are causing them problems because they just don't care enough to do a decent job of managing how it appears.)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I guess I had no idea libz and pubz were considered insults. Aren't they more like abbreviations? :confused:

At the time of the banning, it was the use of the word dim. Mods, let's have a tutorial on the censored words...

[Harry Beanbag]

The cute little nicknames can contribute to the tone (most obvious one being 'dim' here.)


Dim wasn't one of the given examples, but if it hurts people's feelings and makes them get all defensive and act like condescending *******s, then by all means let's ban the term.

[SicEmBaylor]

Ted Olson is who I'd like to see as AG.
I wanted him to be nominated instead of Alito..but alas.

[sanantoniosooner]

I vote we call them Pubes and Dooshes

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I vote we call them Pubes and DooshesEven your brain waves should be baned.

[Jerk]

Alberto Gonzales steps down.
Well.....bye.

http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/612capture_tombstone03.jpg

He did something back in 2005 that really pis.sed off us gun-nuts. He was an ally to the gun control crowd.

[sanantoniosooner]

Even your brain waves should be baned.
pfffffffffft

Why would they take a suggestion from you?

You lead the South Oval in single star threads.;)

[limey_sooner]

I thought his resignation speech was quaint, much like the Geneva convention.

[sanantoniosooner]

Is the word "quaint" allowed in this forum?

Judges?

[limey_sooner]

Actually I was wondering about the word "putz". It sounds awfully similar to "pubz"

[JohnnyMack]

Pubz?

Who the hell says pubz anyway?

[JohnnyMack]

Yes. All the way back in April. Threads featuring those terms are highly likely to turn into a shouting match leading to a lockdown and several bannings, so several mods and admins issued a blanket "verboten" on those. This is just a friendly reminder.

You guys should spend less time watching Minority Report.

srsly.