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Most of you know about the lady in Tennessee who killed her husband and walked out of jail 67 days later?
In Texas, a 41 woman gave a 16 year old boy a BJ and she's getting 23 years:
http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?s=6926193
http://kxan.images.worldnow.com/images/6926193_BG1.jpg
Aren't you glad we have our priorities straight:rolleyes:
But ...wait...that was a 16 year old boy! A MINOR! He.....I bet... he will be traumatized for the REST of his LIFE!
jeremy885
8/16/2007, 06:01 PM
Wasn't the Tennessee lady in jail the whole time her trial was going on and they counted that as part of her time served?
The Maestro
8/16/2007, 06:17 PM
Life ain't easy for a rusty ol Cougar!
def_lazer_fc
8/16/2007, 07:18 PM
can you plead insanity in a blowjob case?
rufnek05
8/16/2007, 07:56 PM
Niiiiice. where were these hot teachers when i was in highschool
Harry Beanbag
8/16/2007, 08:10 PM
I'd let her.
StuIsTheMan
8/16/2007, 08:28 PM
can you plead insanity in a blowjob case?
Only if she took it in the eye:eek:
Cause then she (and most women I know) go INSANE!:D
olevetonahill
8/16/2007, 08:29 PM
Niiiiice. where were these hot teachers when i was in highschool
They were there. They just dont do NERDS ;)
soonerbrat
8/16/2007, 08:32 PM
Only if she took it in the eye:eek:
Cause then she (and most women I know) go INSANE!:D
OUCH..that burns!
or so i've heard
SoonerGirl06
8/16/2007, 08:34 PM
Multiple life sentences....
that's all I'm sayin'....
olevetonahill
8/16/2007, 08:35 PM
OUCH..that burns!
or so i've heard
:eek: :D
AlbqSooner
8/16/2007, 08:36 PM
can you plead insanity in a blowjob case?
Defendant:"I plead insanity, your honor."
Judge:"Insanity? How so?"
Defendant: "I'm just crazy bout that stuff."
:D
Multiple life sentences....
that's all I'm sayin'....
You just haven't been caught... yet
jk the sooner fan
8/16/2007, 08:48 PM
if both these cases had been tried in front of the same judge........or even the same state......then you might have an argument
as it is, you're comparing apples to canteloupes
Same country same type of justice system.
KC//CRIMSON
8/16/2007, 08:56 PM
Only in Austin would you find a female sex offender named "Phill" and a defense attorney nick named "racehorse."
jk the sooner fan
8/16/2007, 08:59 PM
Same country same type of justice system.
right, and two very different jurisdictions, two very different situations
please dont tell me you're for taking sentencing out of the jury and replace it with mandatory sentencing
SoonerGirl06
8/16/2007, 08:59 PM
if both these cases had been tried in front of the same judge........or even the same state......then you might have an argument
as it is, you're comparing apples to canteloupes
Seems to me it has nothing to do with comparing apples to canteloupes... but whether the punishment fits the crime.
jk the sooner fan
8/16/2007, 09:02 PM
Seems to me it has nothing to do with comparing apples to canteloupes... but whether the punishment fits the crime.
well, i dont know EVERY detail of both cases, but i do know that Texas has a history of being tough on adults who sexually offend on minor children.......granted the boy was 16 and likely enjoyed the hell out of that BJ
and its not out of the question for judges to go light on abused women who turn the tables on abusive as5hole husbands
i'm not saying either punishment is right, but comparing the two is absurd
right, and two very different jurisdictions, two very different situations
please dont tell me you're for taking sentencing out of the jury and replace it with mandatory sentencing
You know what I really think? I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
This is really not that complicated. In America, a woman gave a blowjob to a 16 year old and got 23 years. Another woman killed her husband got just over 2 months. No matter how you spin it, that is fugged up.
jk the sooner fan
8/16/2007, 09:04 PM
You know what I really think? I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
This is really not that complicated. In America, a woman gave a blowjob to a 16 year old and got 23 years. Another woman killed her husband got just over 2 months. No matter how you spin it, that is fugged up.
no, i'm not arguing for the sake of arguing
like i said, i'm not saying either sentence is right or just...but comparing the two to each other isnt a sound indictment of our justice system
the people of texas decide what laws are important to them, just as the people of tennessee do
StuIsTheMan
8/16/2007, 09:04 PM
You know what I really think? I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Nah that's my schitck:D
...JK is a cool cat...just say'n his mind is all
But i think both charges are Federal so that take's the State juristiction out of it...i think we need the HMFIC's input...
Nah that's my schitck:D
...JK is a cool cat...just say'n his mind is all
But i think both charges are Federal so that take's the State juristiction out of it...i think
I understand that.
Sorry JK., Didn't mean to freak out.
jk the sooner fan
8/16/2007, 09:10 PM
neither charges are federal
both are state charges
you didnt freak out, at least not where i could see....
on the surface it seems crazy, but in reality its what makes our justice system great........the jurors in williamson county sent a message on what they felt was important.... as did the jurors in tennessee
StuIsTheMan
8/16/2007, 09:12 PM
neither charges are federal
both are state charges
you didnt freak out, at least not where i could see....
on the surface it seems crazy, but in reality its what makes our justice system great........the jurors in williamson county sent a message on what they felt was important.... as did the jurors in tennessee
Then what did the jurors at the OJ trial see:D
jk the sooner fan
8/16/2007, 09:15 PM
race
jury nullification
that sentence was punishment for LAPD's transgressions against the black man
neither charges are federal
both are state charges
you didnt freak out, at least not where i could see....
on the surface it seems crazy, but in reality its what makes our justice system great........the jurors in williamson county sent a message on what they felt was important.... as did the jurors in tennessee
If the husband was abusive, then I understand. I don't really know the details.
Having sex with a minor is never justified, but..16 years old and he probably wasn't forced to do anything...that kind of stuff should be taken into account. I'm not saying she should have gotten a fine and a slap on the wrist, but 23 years? sheesh. I know a guy in a Washington state prison for breaking into a woman's apartment and raping her by force and received 11 years...less than half of what the woman in Texas did. I don't pretend to know 'what's best' here, but I just see it as an observer that both sentences are wrong, and using each to compare to the other as an example of why. Does that even make sense?
StuIsTheMan
8/16/2007, 09:19 PM
Yep yer right JK...at least by Wiki...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder
The United States
In the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), the principle of dual sovereignty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalism) applies to homicide, as to other crimes. If murder is committed within the borders of a state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State), that state has jurisdiction. If the victim is a federal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States) official, an ambassador (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador), consul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consul) or other foreign official under the protection of the United States, or if the crime took place on federal property or involved crossing state borders, or in a manner that substantially affects interstate commerce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_commerce) or national security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security), then the Federal Government also has jurisdiction. If a crime is not committed within any state, then Federal jurisdiction is exclusive: examples include the District of Columbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia), naval (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval) or U.S.-flagged merchant vessels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Merchant_Marine) in international waters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_waters), or a U.S. military base. In cases where a murder involves both state and federal jurisdiction, the offender can be tried and punished separately for each crime without raising issues of double jeopardy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
Criminal sanctions for violations of the age of consent which are not statutory rape may range from a minor misdemeanor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor) to a high level felony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony).
jk the sooner fan
8/16/2007, 09:20 PM
you say "probably wasnt forced"
i dont think either of us know the story there.......she got convicted of 3 counts of sexual assault......the kid was under age, 16 or not, he's not of legal age to decide if he can have sex with a 41 year old woman........spare me the argument you'll bring on that, because i've heard it, and dont disagree (for the most part).....but i'll bet williamson county has a history of being very hard on child predators
and they may have been sending a message to this woman if she was a teacher (i dont know if she was)
there's a link on the page you linked where the jurors talk about the sentencing.......why not watch it and see why they did what they did?
jk the sooner fan
8/16/2007, 09:23 PM
Yep yer right JK...at least by Wiki...
no, i'm right by 16 years of law enforcement experience, investigating both murder and child rape and presenting both case for prosecution
18 USC (the federal statute) has a murder statute but for murder to be a federal charge it has to be against a federal agent or on a federal installation/building (i.e., murrah building).....there are other examples, but those two come to mind
your every day 10' o'clock news murder is a state/county charge
One more thing and I'll shut up. It seems to me that these sentences indicate that our states are interested in only applying justice based upon that area's cultural expectations of what good behavior and bad behavior is, and that what happened to the victim is not really much of a factor.
Did the victim enjoy the crime committed against him? Is the victim dead? bah, it doesn't matter what happened to the victim. It only matters what law was broken.
you say "probably wasnt forced"
i dont think either of us know the story there.......she got convicted of 3 counts of sexual assault......the kid was under age, 16 or not, he's not of legal age to decide if he can have sex with a 41 year old woman........spare me the argument you'll bring on that, because i've heard it, and dont disagree (for the most part).....but i'll bet williamson county has a history of being very hard on child predators
and they may have been sending a message to this woman if she was a teacher (i dont know if she was)
there's a link on the page you linked where the jurors talk about the sentencing.......why not watch it and see why they did what they did?
I won't argue that she shouldn't be convicted or she shouldn't be punished. It's the 23 year sentence that I don't understand. How many people have done less time for murder? A lot, I bet.
jk the sooner fan
8/16/2007, 09:28 PM
I won't argue that she shouldn't be convicted or she shouldn't be punished. It's the 23 year sentence that I don't understand. How many people have done less time for murder? A lot, I bet.
you find examples of that all the time all over the country
bluedogok
8/16/2007, 09:29 PM
Only in Austin would you find a female sex offender named "Phill" and a defense attorney nick named "racehorse."
Richard "Racehorse" Haynes is actually from Houston.
She may get a 23 year sentance in Williamson County (a "Republican" county) but it will probably be shortened in appeals only serve a fraction of that.
you find examples of that all the time all over the country
I lied about shutting up;)
The point you made about this being a good system suddenly made perfect sense to me. Not because it's perfect. Far from it. It's the alternatives that are scary.
Night.
josh09
8/16/2007, 11:17 PM
Most of you know about the lady in Tennessee who killed her husband and walked out of jail 67 days later?
In Texas, a 41 woman gave a 16 year old boy a BJ and she's getting 23 years:
http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?s=6926193
http://kxan.images.worldnow.com/images/6926193_BG1.jpg
Aren't you glad we have our priorities straight:rolleyes:
But ...wait...that was a 16 year old boy! A MINOR! He.....I bet... he will be traumatized for the REST of his LIFE!
Man, that SUCKS......
.......
tehe :pop:
tulsaoilerfan
8/16/2007, 11:50 PM
That is a hard sentence to swallow
StuIsTheMan
8/16/2007, 11:58 PM
That is a hard sentence to swallow
Hey Ohhh!
http://www.herburban.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/mcmahon.jpg
85Sooner
8/17/2007, 07:57 AM
You know what I really think? I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
This is really not that complicated. In America, a woman gave a blowjob to a 16 year old and got 23 years. Another woman killed her husband got just over 2 months. No matter how you spin it, that is fugged up.
Yeah I would have sentenced here to one day and a bj a week for a year:)
TexasLidig8r
8/17/2007, 08:54 AM
Haynes is based out of Houston... I knew him when he was in his prime in the early to mid 80s... it looks like, and from the brief press clips.. he shouldn't be doing trial work now.
Boomer_Sooner_sax
8/17/2007, 10:05 AM
This is the greatest thread title ever!
What I have learned from this thread:
1) Peach fuzz mustaches = bad sign
2) Cover up any traces of premeditation
StuIsTheMan
8/17/2007, 10:58 AM
This is the greatest thread title ever!
uh WRONG!:D
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96524
Boomer_Sooner_sax
8/17/2007, 12:31 PM
uh WRONG!:D
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96524
Damn, hate when that happens! LOL! :D
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