PGA Championship at Southern Hills

[Mjcpr]

The scoreboard off of 18 green
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6329/scoreboardao1.jpg

Southern Hills clubhouse
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3709/clubhouseek7.jpg

OU's Anthony Kim on the green....I never saw him make **** but the approaches were nice. And, he has an entourage. :rolleyes:
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Part of the downtown Tulsa skyline from number one tee
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Ernie Els off of 18 (I think) tee
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Ernie Els and whoever he was playing with...I think this is the 18th fairway
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/924/ernieelsfp0.jpg

Every hole is narrow off the tee
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/1356/offtheteewr9.jpg

There aren't a lot of houses on the course, but there was this one with a waterfall and The Doors playing. I wouldn't be surprised if it was being rented by one of the players.
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Number 6 tee....we spoke to Aaron Oberholser's caddy who was out checking out yardage here. They use these instead of the blue stripe on the cart parth or the blue marker in the fairway for some reason. :D
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And finally.....the tiniest green I've ever seen. For a few minutes I was trying to figure out if it was a practice green out in the middle of the course or what, but it's not.....it's the 13th green which is a par 5. Fronted by two ponds.
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2980/tinygreenxj2.jpg

[r5TPsooner]

Great pics, Thanks!

[sooneron]

Nice shots Pat.


Skyline, heh

[Mjcpr]

Nice shots Pat.

Skyline, heh

:D

It reminds you of Manhattan doesn't it?

[KC//CRIMSON]

Nice shots Pat.


Skyline, double heh

[jk the sooner fan]

awesome!

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

Is that you blowing?

[OKC-SLC]

good pictures. if you have more along the way, please post them.


Is that you blowing?
is the grass green? is the sky blue?

[King Crimson]

IIRC, Kim won the Big XII tournament at SH. doesn't mean much but maybe he can parlay the experience into making the cut.

nice pics. too bad i'll have to miss the early coverage TH and Fri.

[Newbomb Turk]

:D

It reminds you of Manhattan doesn't it?

yes - Manhattan Kansas.

Nice pics.

[King Crimson]

there's kind of an interesting video at yahoo sports with Dave Pelz (with requisite USGA bashing) talking about how the PGA will monitor green speed by the conditions on the 9th and 18th green due to the slope.

get ready for that to be the "back story" that gets ridden into the ground on both coverages.

the slope of the greens are severe but the stimps of today's championship greens is hardly something Perry Maxwell could have anticipated anymore than the growth of trees hinder original sight and lines of play--.

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf;_ylt=AofTpgwyvhUNuOVo912QqP05nYcB

[OU4LIFE]

We were out there yesterday, WARM.

Saw just about everybody that was there practicing. Tiger cam out to the range and then bailed....and Phil was a no show.

that course is just ridiculous right now...it's fast, really fast. They are going to have to control distances off the tee too, cause that rough is NASTY. The way it was cut, it just goes straight to the bottom.

this is going to be fun to watch.

nice pics pat.

[Newbomb Turk]

I like this quote from him (Pelz):

"..you say that isn't fair - it is fair, just don't hit the ball over the green..."

I think it's a good idea to cut all of the other greens the same as 9 & 18 so they are consistent.

[Newbomb Turk]

and we really do need an "official" thread.

[Mjcpr]

and we really do need an "official" thread.

This is it, run with it. :)

Since the last major they re-built the 18th green, maybe the 9th too.

[Mjcpr]

Mark Wilson and Villegas are leading at -2.

If Mark Wilson is the SENIOR PGA Champ winner, I think I saw him on the putting green when I was out there Tue evening....he was the only one there. He was an older guy and I couldn't figure out who he was until I saw something on TV about him last night. The guy I saw was using that 'Claw' grip.

[Mjcpr]

Nevermind....that Sr guy's name was Denis Watson. :O

[mikeelikee]

Unfortunately, Anthony Kim was 2-over after 2, last I checked.

[sooneron]

Mark Wilson and Villegas are leading at -2.

If Mark Wilson is the SENIOR PGA Champ winner, I think I saw him on the putting green when I was out there Tue evening....he was the only one there. He was an older guy and I couldn't figure out who he was until I saw something on TV about him last night. The guy I saw was using that 'Claw' grip.
I use the "craw" and hardly ever have more than 28-30 putts!

Of course, that could speak to the fact that I am constantly chipping onto the green due to not making green in reg.!:mad:

I wish I was there- If I had made it, that would have been 6 majors that I had attended in the last 7 years.

[King Crimson]

I use the "craw" and hardly ever have more than 28-30 putts!

Of course, that could speak to the fact that I am constantly chipping onto the green due to not making green in reg.!:mad:

I wish I was there- If I had made it, that would have been 6 majors that I had attended in the last 7 years.

the claw: say it ain't so. ;)

i wish i was there too; and had been planning on a combo PGA/visit the folks in Norman trip....but this is the last week of summer school at CU and the money was too good to turn down for 5 weeks of work. and the weekend option is nixed by grades being due Monday. administrative asshats.

[OU4LIFE]

Mark Wilson and Villegas are leading at -2.

If Mark Wilson is the SENIOR PGA Champ winner, I think I saw him on the putting green when I was out there Tue evening....he was the only one there. He was an older guy and I couldn't figure out who he was until I saw something on TV about him last night. The guy I saw was using that 'Claw' grip.

I'm not a 'Senior' just yet...I haven't even made 40 yet!

[Mjcpr]

Great, Sergio is off and running again.

Hope he doesn't get any bad breaks this time. :rolleyes:

[colleyvillesooner]

Notables:

Sergio -3 through 5
Tiger -1 through 3
Montie -3 through 5
Cink -1 through 3
A Kim +2 through 8

[jk the sooner fan]

Els and Goosen are -2 thru 5 or 6

[Scott D]

heh Rich Beem joins the -3 group.

[colleyvillesooner]

Tiger to -2 through 4.

He needs a great first round.

[jk the sooner fan]

tigah wuuds now at -3

[colleyvillesooner]

Woot!

[jk the sooner fan]

Long John Daly joins the fray at -2 after 7

[OU4LIFE]

Aaron Oberholser....man what a nice guy, glad to see him playing well.

I hope he wins it all. -4 so far

[Mjcpr]

Number 6 tee....we spoke to Aaron Oberholser's caddy who was out checking out yardage here.


Aaron Oberholser....man what a nice guy, glad to see him playing well.

I hope he wins it all. -4 so far

His caddy must've done a good job that night. :D

[Newbomb Turk]

Aaron Oberholser....man what a nice guy, glad to see him playing well.


his caddy probably took some of Pat's advice.

[Newbomb Turk]

Long John Daly joins the fray at -2 after 7

shouldn't take long for him to get back over par.

[Newbomb Turk]

tigah wuuds now at -3

bogey on 18 to take him to -2 thru 9.

I bet a nickle a few other people bogey 18 this week. ;)

[colleyvillesooner]

shouldn't take long for him to get back over par.

or move to -3 like he just did. ;)

[Newbomb Turk]

or move to -3 like he just did. ;)

:O

I'll still be surprised if he finishes under par. I'm not watching, but it doesn't seem like the course is playing difficult today.

[OU4LIFE]

it doesn't seem like the course is playing difficult today.

tell that to Fred Funk +6 Ryan Moore +7 Anthony Wall +7 and Micah Rudosky +10

[Newbomb Turk]

Anthony Wall +7 and Micah Rudosky +10

who?

[OU4LIFE]

the two guys at the bottom, that's who.

[Newbomb Turk]

all I'm saying is it's not like they are playing tournament conditions at "Cimarron Trails" .

;)

[OklahomaTuba]

Damn its hot out there.

I'll just hang here in the south oval. The beer in the club house is to pricey for my tastes.

[OU4LIFE]

Daly alone in 1st at -4

[jk the sooner fan]

i'd love to see Daly win another major

[OU4LIFE]

A Daly / Woods Sunday pairing would be HUGE for TV.

[Scott D]

tnt just picked up video coverage.

[Mjcpr]

A Daly / Woods Sunday pairing would be HUGE for TV.

Yeah, that might have some ratings. :)

Tiger on #6 now, probably looking at this marker and drawing a 7 or 8 iron. It's downhill and downwind (if it's blowing) if I remember correctly.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8497/yardagemarkeroa8.jpg

[Scott D]

I see serge has continued his red hot putting from his final round at Carnoustie.

[Newbomb Turk]

Tiger on #6 now, probably looking at this marker and drawing a 7 or 8 iron.

sounds about right. that's what I would hit from that yardage.

[Newbomb Turk]

tell that to Fred Funk +6 Ryan Moore +7 Anthony Wall +7 and Micah Rudosky +10

for those scoring at home, Micah finished with a tidy 83.

[Mjcpr]

sounds about right. that's what I would hit from that yardage.

Word....but it'd have to be an "easy" 7. :D

I figured Funk would do well at SH.....guess I was wrong.

[r5TPsooner]

A Daly / Woods Sunday pairing would be HUGE for TV.


Extremely Huge. The guy that everyone loves to hate VS The guy everyone loves to love.

Good TV for sure but knowing Daly... he'll implode sometime tomorrow.

[Mjcpr]

Tiger's round has gone to ****.

[colleyvillesooner]

Finishes +1

[jk the sooner fan]

Tiger isnt having the best back nine

+1

[OU4LIFE]

HELLO CAPTAIN REDUNDANT!

[jk the sooner fan]

we were all posting at the same time you retard

and i mean that as nicely as i can

[IB4OU2]

Angel Cacbrerra's having a tough time on the par 3 6th hole.....he just shot a 10. MJCPR kind of hole.....;)

[OU4LIFE]

retard? Is that French? You sound French...

[r5TPsooner]

Finishes +1


Not exactly out of the tournament with that score. He'll be OK.

[Mjcpr]

Angel Cacbrerra's having a tough time on the par 3 6th hole.....he just shot a 10. MJCPR kind of hole.....;)

I can't say that even I have had a 10 on a par 3. :D

[StoopTroup]

How much is a bottle of water this year?

[Mjcpr]

$2.75

Or you can get it free from the water fountains.

[colleyvillesooner]

the water fountains bottle their water? For FREE?

[Newbomb Turk]

Not exactly out of the tournament with that score. He'll be OK.
not even close to being out of it.

And color me shocked that Daly hung on today. I'd love to see him stay near the top, but he will blow it.

[KC//CRIMSON]

I wonder if Daly will be at Creek Nation Casino tonight? Hmmmm.....

[hurricane'bone]

I think he's staying out at Cherokee

[Newbomb Turk]

after watching some of the telecast and highlights on TGC, I thought SH really looked in fantastic shape.

[StoopTroup]

Can you get a breakfast burrito out there?

[OU4LIFE]

not even close to being out of it.

And color me shocked that Daly hung on today. I'd love to see him stay near the top, but he will blow it.

You know, I'd LOVE to disagree here, and if he had one of the earlier tee times today I probably would, but he's in the last or near last group out today, and I think that is a VERY hard place to hang on from.

it's too bad, I'd like to see him play well again, I think it's good for golf when he does.

[King Crimson]

after watching some of the telecast and highlights on TGC, I thought SH really looked in fantastic shape.

the hour or so i saw yesterday afternoon, i'd completely agree.

[King Crimson]

it's too bad, I'd like to see him play well again, I think it's good for golf when he does.

i can think of at least a dozen players i'd pull for over Daly. a guy who walks off the golf course, or half-asses his way to big numbers because he isn't trying.....meh. i don't see that as good for golf, JMO. especially when i see junior players today who don't rake bunkers and don't repair ballmarks and park their bags on the green, etc.

i don't think his success is bad for the game, i just don't see why it's better than other players.

i understand the "everyman" hillbilly populist thing up against a bunch of country club never had a job types....but, i'm just not a huge Daly fan. i don't pull against him and everyone (including yer old buddy King Curmudgeon) loves an older guy who's been scuffling for a while and re-captures the old glory at a major by playing into contention. so, if he plays well, i'm all for it.

[OU4LIFE]

I didn't mean to imply that his playing well was better for golf than anyone else, just good for the game in the 'everyman' sense of it like you stated.

He makes some big numbers, but I REALLY don't think it's cause he isn't trying....honestly. Cabrera made a nice big number yesterday, not because he wasn't trying, just some bad decisions....I think the same applies to Daly.

[jk the sooner fan]

i'd love to see the 84 Lumber logo next to the Wannamaker trophy!

Does Tiger have a late tee time as well?

[King Crimson]

I didn't mean to imply that his playing well was better for golf than anyone else, just good for the game in the 'everyman' sense of it like you stated.

He makes some big numbers, but I REALLY don't think it's cause he isn't trying....honestly.

i understand that what you meant was the populist angle.

but, he's done a lot of stuff (not so much recently) but in the late 90's where he putts his ball while it's still moving, doesn't read putts, etc. out of frustration. he's checked it in and doesn't care if he makes 7 or 9.

[King Crimson]

when did they make the SH clubhouse look like a stripmall or a mega-church with that gawdawful ediface....ugh.

[OU4LIFE]

Pretty sure Tiger goes off around noon.

[jk the sooner fan]

14:50 est

[Mjcpr]

when did they make the SH clubhouse look like a stripmall or a mega-church with that gawdawful ediface....ugh.

Looks nice to me. :confused:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3709/clubhouseek7.jpg

[r5TPsooner]

i can think of at least a dozen players i'd pull for over Daly. a guy who walks off the golf course, or half-asses his way to big numbers because he isn't trying.....meh. i don't see that as good for golf, JMO. especially when i see junior players today who don't rake bunkers and don't repair ballmarks and park their bags on the green, etc.

i don't think his success is bad for the game, i just don't see why it's better than other players.

i understand the "everyman" hillbilly populist thing up against a bunch of country club never had a job types....but, i'm just not a huge Daly fan. i don't pull against him and everyone (including yer old buddy King Curmudgeon) loves an older guy who's been scuffling for a while and re-captures the old glory at a major by playing into contention. so, if he plays well, i'm all for it.


I tend to agree with you. I used to be a big Daly fan but after reading his book, and looking at how he acts on and off the golf course throughout his career, I have become less and less a fan of his.

All that yesterday showed me is that if he really loved golf, and had half of the determination that Tiger has, he'd be ranked in the top five year after year with all of the talent that he possesses.

Daly has all of the talent in the world, but he has doesn't have the work ethic or determination of a top tiered player. On top of that, he has a brain the size of a pea, and he would much rather lose money at the casino's, than he would working on his golf game. John is his own worst enemy and I hope that he never remarries!

It's a shame really but I still hope he has a good showing despite his self.

[Mjcpr]

Looks like Storm is backing up and Senden is making a move this morning.

[colleyvillesooner]

Yep storm is at -2, +3 on his round with 8 more to go. Buh Bye

[Newbomb Turk]

Cabrera made a nice big number yesterday

http://www.golfsurround.com/pgachampionship/2007/pipeline/?vid=002259

video of his 10 if you didn't see it.

[Newbomb Turk]

when did they make the SH clubhouse look like a stripmall or a mega-church with that gawdawful ediface....ugh.

I don't know that it looks bad, but it just looks kinda...new. Seems sort of out of place and should have more of a classic look to it.

[OU4LIFE]

Daly is leading again.....and he hasn't even teed off yet. :)

[Newbomb Turk]

looks like Bubba Watson has thrown in the towel. He was -2 thru 8 yesterday - ended up shooting a 79. Today he's +8 thru 13.

[r5TPsooner]

looks like Bubba Watson has thrown in the towel. He was -2 thru 8 yesterday - ended up shooting a 79. Today he's +8 thru 13.


He reminds me of Daly but I don't know why?

[Newbomb Turk]

not a bunch of real good scoring today. Verplank is at -2 now.

[picasso]

we went Tuesday and yesterday. Will be there on Sunday too!
You can park at the Methodist church on Lewis and walk across the road to get in. it's $20, but better than taking the shuttle.

yesterday we hit our usual spots on the front to see the guys then migrated to the bleachers behind 13 and 16. then we camped in the shade behind there and watched the guys tee off on 14 and 17 (10 yards apart) the rest of the afternoon.
Paddy Harrington cut under the ropes to get some shade next to me yesterday.

also, if you've read the latest Golf Digest, theres a great article in there about Stuart Appleby. he commented that he cracks up when US fans yell they're rooting for him since the term rooting in Aussie land means screwing.
naturally I yelled that tom him on Tuesday.:D

oh yeah, we stood behind Tiger on 16 and watched him push slice one ugly assed drive. right after he had gone to -3. he was waiting on the group ahead and then was cut off when the goober marshalls let the gallery through the fairway. he was clearly going to hit farther than the norm on that hole.

[picasso]

not a bunch of real good scoring today. Verplank is at -2 now.
I picked 65 as the low round.:)

[Newbomb Turk]

also, if you've read the latest Golf Digest, theres a great article in there about Stuart Appleby. he commented that he cracks up when US fans yell they're rooting for him since the term rooting in Aussie land means screwing.
naturally I yelled that tom him on Tuesday.:D


that was a good read. I've heard over and over about the terrible accident that killed his wife - but you really get a good idea from that article how horrible it was for him. I've always liked the guy.

have fun Sunday.

[picasso]

that was a good read. I've heard over and over about the terrible accident that killed his wife - but you really get a good idea from that article how horrible it was for him. I've always liked the guy.

have fun Sunday.
yeah when I yelled that he was walking off the 2nd tee, he kinda waved but his coach looked at me laughing.

also, #2 is the most bitch of a driving hole I've eva seen.

oh and Daly will shoot an 80 very very soon. I like how the redneck Arky crowd was out following him yesterday.

[picasso]

i can think of at least a dozen players i'd pull for over Daly. a guy who walks off the golf course, or half-asses his way to big numbers because he isn't trying.....meh. i don't see that as good for golf, JMO. especially when i see junior players today who don't rake bunkers and don't repair ballmarks and park their bags on the green, etc.

i don't think his success is bad for the game, i just don't see why it's better than other players.

i understand the "everyman" hillbilly populist thing up against a bunch of country club never had a job types....but, i'm just not a huge Daly fan. i don't pull against him and everyone (including yer old buddy King Curmudgeon) loves an older guy who's been scuffling for a while and re-captures the old glory at a major by playing into contention. so, if he plays well, i'm all for it.
yep. I didn't find it funny that this dude is spending all of his free time playing in the casinos. I know he does a lot for charity but he ain't no figure head of any kind other than joe jerkoff slacker.
sorry but he's wasting away that immense talent.

[sooneron]

1. The clubhouse does look cheap with the reno

2. I won't pull for Big John, but it's occasionally fun to watch the implosions

3. I'd love to see Appleby win it.

4. When will Woody have his implosion?

5. There are a LOT of quality golfers within 4 strokes of the lead

[picasso]

and Chris Dimarco made an all world bogey on #14 yesterday. he hooked his first shot OB and then smoked one near the pin to the back and sank his putt. impressive.

[sooneron]

He's another that I'd like to see win it.

Have fun out there, Pic

[picasso]

1. The clubhouse does look cheap with the reno


I hate it and it's not white anymore it's frinkin pink!

disgusting.

I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

[picasso]

this young dude could freaking strike the snot out of the ball:

http://www.pga.com/pgachampionship/2007/scoring/scorecards/24430.html

also saw a guy from India WD on #14 yesterday. he looked like he was going to pass out. that would suck to come all of this way and WD like that.

[sooneron]

I hate it and it's not white anymore it's frinkin pink!

disgusting.

I'll bring it up at the next meeting.
Better be careful, Pat will file a grievance against you!:texan:

[picasso]

heh.

my brother was on a date the other night and saw Choi, Rose and Weir and other players at the sushi bar ITR Southage.

we heard Jerry Kelley @ the practice round talking to some player about a good place to eat on 51st. probably Hooters.:)

[picasso]

oh yeah, and nobody could make a putt on #13 yesterday. I thought these guys were supposed to be good?:D

[picasso]

oh and Aaron Baddely's wife has got it goin on.:D

[OU4LIFE]

wow, I'm a little surprised. They are saying that right now, +4 will be the cut line...that seems low. should make for a tight, bunched-up weekend.

[1stTimeCaller]

that seems low. should make for a tight, bunched-up weekend.

much like Howzit's shorts

[Mjcpr]

oh yeah, and nobody could make a putt on #13 yesterday. I thought these guys were supposed to be good?:D

Is it just me or is that the teeniest green you've ever seen?

[Mjcpr]

Verplank with the lead in the clubhouse at -4.

He seems like a good guy but I can't get past the aggy factor. CH III too. Saw him the other day on TV saying he was glad to see all the orange and red in the crowd saying, the red is for Georgia, right? :rolleyes:

Suck it, Trey.

[OU4LIFE]

EVERY aggie in the field can choke and I'd be OK with that.

giddy even.

but then I'm petty like that.

[Newbomb Turk]

I don't mind Verplank. Seems like a good dude even though he's an aggie.

[colleyvillesooner]

Tiger birdies 1 to get back to Even.

[Newbomb Turk]

looks like Bubba Watson has thrown in the towel. He was -2 thru 8 yesterday - ended up shooting a 79. Today he's +8 thru 13.

Bubba ends up shooting 79 - 79.

consistency is the key to golf.

[King Crimson]

I like Verplank. he was god (even at OSU) to junior golfers in the state when i was playing junior and high school tournaments. guy won the Western Open as an amateur and didn't turn pro for the money IIRC....can you imagine that today?

for us highly virtuous OU guys, we had Andy Magee and Greg Turner and Grant Waite. Turner had a couple top tens in the British Open after turning pro--and led the Open for a decent bit. you still see him on the Golf Channel BO highlights from time to time.

Daly winning in Oklahoma might be more than i could bear in a national media related way. we'd get slaughtered as effin' hillbillies but not in the good way.

[colleyvillesooner]

And we're off...

Daly bogies his first hole...

[Newbomb Turk]

Daly winning in Oklahoma might be more than i could bear in a national media related way. we'd get slaughtered as effin' hillbillies but not in the good way.

I told you so...

[colleyvillesooner]

And we're off...

Daly bogies his first hole...

aand his second hole (10)

[Newbomb Turk]

aand his second hole (10)

your +4 total might be too low.

[colleyvillesooner]

:D

[colleyvillesooner]

Daly pars his 3rd hole to right the ship...for now...

[Newbomb Turk]

I'm getting ready to get the heck out of work and go home to watch some of this.

[colleyvillesooner]

Woods birdies 4 to go to -1. -2 through 4. Good start.

[colleyvillesooner]

I should make it home to see the last few holes of Daly Collapse '07. :D

[OU4LIFE]

aand his second hole (10)

so, he started on 9?

weird, starting on 9 would throw me off too.

[King Crimson]

Woods birdies 4 to go to -1. -2 through 4. Good start.

so, you are "rooting" for Tiger?:D

[colleyvillesooner]

Always have. For tiger and for the Daly Meltdown. :D

[colleyvillesooner]

Daly: Pars 4* to stay at -1

Tiger: Birdies 5 to go to -2. 3 birdies in first 5 holes.

[Newbomb Turk]

home + beer + watching golf >> work + no beer + scores on innerweb.

[King Crimson]

home + beer + watching golf >> work + no beer + scores on innerweb.

tell me about it my man, i'm done working for 3 weeks. and i got the beer and golf on TV thing going now.

[colleyvillesooner]

apparently you going home is good for Daly...3 straight pars

[colleyvillesooner]

apparently you going home is good for Daly...3 straight pars

and bad for Tiger. He bogied 7 to drop to -1

[I_SMELL_FEAR]

home + beer + watching golf >> work + no beer + simulcast on pga.com

fixed.

[Newbomb Turk]

and bad for Tiger. He bogied 7 to drop to -1

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!1!!!11


;)

[King Crimson]

Daly's fans are frazzing out some of the most expensive, spohisticated outdoor mics on planet earth with their "whoops and hollers".

[colleyvillesooner]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!1!!!11


;)

:mad:

[Newbomb Turk]

:mad:

I said ;)

you're grumpy, just like Tiger.

:D

[King Crimson]

the low angle camera work gives a decent idea of the contour at SH. and it looks great. the big bunkers that fit into the natural slope of the land (the Maxwell minimalist, organic trademark)....but the snoopy two shots expose the symmetry of the bunkering that you don't really see on the ground. it's looks cookie cutter, when it's far from that. "on the ground".

and REALLY goes to show my standing point (in reverse) in most of the Open Championship threads that most of the Tour courses are made to be photographed from the air. or, at minimum, with that in mind especially the usually needless leopard spot, camo on steroids, sea shell bunkering is all made to be seen from Snoopy II.

it's about the visual spectacle or "feast", not the golf.

[King Crimson]

i hope they can keep enough water on the course, it's like it's burning out in spots.

[Newbomb Turk]

the low angle camera work gives a decent idea of the contour at SH. and it looks great. the big bunkers that fit into the natural slope of the land (the Maxwell minimalist, organic trademark)....but the snoopy two shots expose the symmetry of the bunkering that you don't really see on the ground. it's looks cookie cutter, when it's far from that. "on the ground".

and REALLY goes to show my standing point (in reverse) in most of the Open Championship threads that most of the Tour courses are made to be photographed from the air. or, at minimum, with that in mind especially the usually needless leopard spot, camo on steroids, sea shell bunkering is all made to be seen from Snoopy II.

it's about the visual spectacle or "feast", not the golf.

I think you need another beer.

[King Crimson]

I think you need another beer.

that's bringing two variables into play.

nice shot by Eldrick.

[colleyvillesooner]

Tiger back to -2.

Suck it. :D

[King Crimson]

Tiger back to -2.

Suck it. :D

you are the one that "roots" for him.

great camera work on that shot by Ogilvie, where the size of the bunkers make the green look really tiny. from the players vantage.

[colleyvillesooner]

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/2878/thatsracistro0.gif

[King Crimson]

Villegas has some potential cap + mulletude working.

[r5TPsooner]

If Mickelson could hit a fairway, he'd be near the top of the leader board.

I wonder when he fires Butch?

[King Crimson]

If Mickelson could hit a fairway, he'd be near the top of the leader board.

I wonder when he fires Butch?

it's interesting, since (as Miller told us a brazilion times) once he learned to hit the control fade off the tee....he was gonna be the man. and he was the man, he's not been a factor in the majors this year.

at all.

[Scott D]

It'd have been super if Phil had missed the cut at another major :)

[sooneron]

Southern Hills does look nice on tv, just not so much from above.

Eldrick is looking pretty durn good. Gotta love John making par the way that I make boge, from the other fairway!

[sooneron]

That was a money draino putt by Eldrick

[sooneron]

People are making bombs all over the place.

[colleyvillesooner]

wow. That was awesome. As fired up for a par save as I've seen him in awhile.

[colleyvillesooner]

Another Birdie for Tiger.

Ties the leader in the clubhouse at -4.

[sooneron]

I'm sorry, the clubhouse looks like a cheap pre-fab.

[sooneron]

Tiger muy caliente

[Scott D]

so if he is in the process of "reverting" to his "original" swing, will things in the future get more or less interesting?

[King Crimson]

Tiger doesn't have an original swing. he has the one he won the first Master's with, the one he won beat the bat**** crazy out of everyone in the early milleneum, the one where he chocked his ****ing guts out on 17 and 18 at Augusta....but still managed to win.

and the dipkneed thing he's got going.

reality is: if he wants to catch Jack, he needs to devise a swing that ain't going to kill his spine and shoulder turn.

[dolemitesooner]

Tiger is going to beat jack no questions about it

[dolemitesooner]

He is also going to hit a birdiee here on 18 and be the sole holder of the lowest score for a round on MajIOr history. WATCH

[King Crimson]

"hit a birdie" is the official parlance of the expert.

[oumartin]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/76/fullj.getty-75965184sh237_89th_pga_cham.jpg

Is that a little pudge going on there?
Since I have to sleep all day I guess I missed a great round by Mr. Woods.

[dolemitesooner]

"hit a birdie" is the official parlance of the expert.
Yep...He just got ****ing robbed. Thats was dead center

[KC//CRIMSON]

Tiger is going to beat jack no questions about it

Even if Tiger doesn't make it to 18 Majors, he's the best of all time. No questions about it.

[King Crimson]

no way. he's got to pass Jack to make the claim. Nicklaus post-Hogan invented the modern golf swing, practice routines, the science of golf we know today.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Jack was never this dominate. The gap between Tiger and the next best player is miles away. If Tiger wins the PGA it should have been his third major this year (sans a few puts here and there.)

You put Jack in his prime against Tiger now, with all the new technology and added yardage, Jack gets smoked.:cool:

[King Crimson]

Jack was never this dominate. The gap between Tiger and the next best player is miles away. If Tiger wins the PGA it should have been his third major this year (sans a few puts here and there.)

You put Jack in his prime against Tiger now, with all the new technology and added yardage, Jack gets smoked.:cool:

so tiger is the only one in the comparison that gets to benefit from the new technology?

make tiger play with persimmon woods with plastic inserts and hit it 320?

how is tiger the most *dominant* right now? "should" have been his 3rd major this year? wtf does that mean? he hasn't won a sinlge one. Tiger is not that dominant right now.

[King Crimson]

golf ain't about yardage or technology at the highest level, it's about getting the ball in the hole.

[King Crimson]

natalie gulbis has perkie bra boobs.

[dolemitesooner]

so tiger is the only one in the comparison that gets to benefit from the new technology?

make tiger play with persimmon woods with plastic inserts and hit it 320?

how is tiger the most *dominant* right now? "should" have been his 3rd major this year? wtf does that mean? he hasn't won a sinlge one. Tiger is not that dominant right now.
He is that dominate.

[King Crimson]

He is that dominate.

based on what? show me something other than the assertion. scoreboard says Jack until it doesn't.

[jk the sooner fan]

remember, in addition to Jack's 18 majors, he had 19 second place finishes......Tiger has a ways to go

however, i'd like to see an article written on what golf would look like without Tiger.......who would have won the tournaments, who would be the dominant golfer

[StoopTroup]

I still think John Daly is gonna take it. :D

[King Crimson]

jack nicklaus invented the modern golf swing after Ben Hogan, or was at least it's comsummation in terms of practice routines, fundamentals, analysis with photography. we all practice and think like Jack (if you want to be good).

eldrick ain't that "dominate" right now. he hasn't made anyone fear him on the in side on Sunday in over a year at a major. let alone win. how can you say he is "dominate".

can he win this week, hell yeah.

[KC//CRIMSON]

so tiger is the only one in the comparison that gets to benefit from the new technology?

No. Both, and Jack would still get smoked.


how is tiger the most *dominant* right now? "should" have been his 3rd major this year? wtf does that mean? he hasn't won a sinlge one. Tiger is not that dominant right now

Hmmmm. Let's see.

2006:
First Place Finishes - 7
Masters - 3rd
British Open - First Place
PGA Championship - First Place

2007:
First Place Finishes - 4 (So far)
Masters - 2nd Place
U.S Open - 2nd Place
British Open - 12
PGA Championship - Currently Leading


Show me anyone that comes close............



he hasn't made anyone fear him on the in side on Sunday in over a year at a major.

Saying that is completely whack. Not liking the guy is one thing, but come on!

[r5TPsooner]

The Tiger vs Jack debate will rage on for years. Regardless, both have given golf a much needed boost in there respected eras.

Personally, regardless of what I think of Tiger, he is the greatest golfer I've ever seen and he stands a great chance to eclipse most if not all of jack's records.

What really impresses me about Tiger is that he seems to be a decent human being, stays out of trouble and really protects and cares for his family. Especially with the intense scrutiny that he's under everyday of his life! The guy has never been linked to anything remotely negative unless you count being an ******* as such.

Jack really never had that type of scrutiny in his career.

[King Crimson]

close to what? he still doesn't have as many majors as Nicklaus and it's been a year at best since he won a major.

you can't have it both ways. either majors is the criterion, or not. and he hasn't won this year so he isn't the most dominant.

[King Crimson]

The Tiger vs Jack debate will rage on for years. Regardless, both have given golf a much needed boost in there respected eras.

Personally, regardless of what I think of Tiger, he is the greatest golfer I've ever seen and he stands a great chance to eclipse most if not all of jack's records.

What really impresses me about Tiger is that he seems to be a decent human being, stays out of trouble and really protects and cares for his family. Especially with the intense scrutiny that he's under everyday of his life! The guy has never been linked to anything remotely negative unless you count being an ******* as such.

Jack really never had that type of scrutiny in his career.

i somewhat disagree. tiger is not a favorite of USGA rules officials. since it is their impression that USGA rank and file walking rules officials have been overruled twice by the networks and USGA status wanks on decisions....to protect Tiger into the weekend of the US Open.

Tiger=perfect. no. i've posted it before, but this is firsthand stuff.

tiger plays like a crybaby a lot of time. like i did as a junior golfer. and he damages greens and tee areas.

if Aaron Olberholser did it, he'd be seen as an *******. Tiger doesn't get called on it.

[KC//CRIMSON]

close to what? he still doesn't have as many majors as Nicklaus and it's been a year at best since he won a major.

you can't have it both ways. either majors is the criterion, or not. and he hasn't won this year so he isn't the most dominant.

Have you been drinking tonight? I'm not getting this post.


close to what?

You said he wasn't dominate right now. I gave you the stats that says otherwise. Right now he is the most dominate player in the game. When I originally said "dominate" I meant that Jack wasn't this dominate back when he was playing. With Jack there were other golfers who always kept it close. Tiger doesn't have that. He is leagues better than the golfers around him.

Tiger is going to pass Jack in Majors. Regardless, he is the best golfer of all time. IMO.:cool:

[Turd_Ferguson]

Shooter McGavin will win by 2 strokes. Suck it bitches!

[Newbomb Turk]

it's nice to see the Tiger humpers are here. we missed you in the British Open thread.

[King Crimson]

No. Both, and Jack would still get smoked.



Hmmmm. Let's see.

2006:
First Place Finishes - 7
Masters - 3rd
British Open - First Place
PGA Championship - First Place

2007:
First Place Finishes - 4 (So far)
Masters - 2nd Place
U.S Open - 2nd Place
British Open - 12
PGA Championship - Currently Leading


Show me anyone that comes close............




Saying that is completely whack. Not liking the guy is one thing, but come on!

kind of funny (ironic) that you introduce "liking" or "not liking" in the mix. i don't dislike Tiger, i have a problem with his "fans". most of whom are all about on the same level as "the Bulls are my team" people of the 90's. or Britney fans. they don't really like or prefer the game of golf per se, but the star quality and sublimated attraction to the idea of "dominance" as an authoritarian theme. i'm a fan of the game of golf, not really any one player. there's a BIG difference.

i'm not saying he isn't the best player in the game, what i'm saying is he isn't that dominant in the majors as you humpers like to believe. the fact he's *not won* a couple down the stretch shows he's not bullet proof.

he's never won coming from behind in a major.

until he passes Nicklaus, scoreboard=Jack.

just because YOU like Tiger and bunny hump him like a jackrabbit on crack...doesn't *by necessity* mean he's the best of all-time. if you want to play the "players in sport X are better than they were in the past card"...fine. but, *asserting* that Jack would "get smoked" is not a argument, it's an assertion. and your opinion.

YOU mentioned technology, which in your your scenario where "Jack is getting smoked" it gives me pause that you introduce a variable (that you, then, deny) into the discussion.

Tiger ain't the same Tiger of 01. do all the gymnastics you want, but he's beatable today. Eldrick may be the greatest golfer of all-time, but he's just that right now: "may be".

Jack is leader in the clubhouse.

[jk the sooner fan]

Did Nicklaus ever have a majors dry spell?

[King Crimson]

Did Nicklaus ever have a majors dry spell?

sure, he did. but he's still the leader in the clubhouse. i bet Tiger would tell you the same thing.

[jk the sooner fan]

nobody has said anything different, but to say that Tiger isnt the dominant golfer in the game right now, is idiotic

[King Crimson]

nobody has said anything different, but to say that Tiger isnt the dominant golfer in the game right now, is idiotic

others have said he's the best of all-time. that he is the "dominate" golfer of all-time, is not a sure thing yet. of "now", i have said several times. who's going to argue with that.

how often do you post in golf threads when Tiger is not in contention. jk?

[Scott D]

ahh yes and the traditional tiger v. tiger-hater battles begin because the guy was a quarter inch from being the first guy to shoot a 62 in a major.

Jack had better, tougher competition week in and week out than Eldrick does. There isn't a contingent on the current tour that matches up to Arnie, Trevino, Watson, Player, Miller, and in latter time Norman.

Tiger may very well be the greatest golfer of all time eventually, but right now he's still chasing Jack's shadow. The media and the public won't give him that full recognition until he's holding up the trophy from the win of his 19th major.

Oh and King Crimson, it looked to me like ole Rory pretty much wilted on Sunday to Eldrick two weeks ago.

[King Crimson]

Rory=not a metaphor for all of golf. nor was it a major.

i'm not a Tiger hater. i admit i used to be. but, go back to my post where i say it's about his fans. same with Daly.

i'm a fan of the game.

[jk the sooner fan]

others have said he's the best of all-time. that he is the "dominate" golfer of all-time, is not a sure thing yet. of "now", i have said several times. who's going to argue with that.

how often do you post in golf threads when Tiger is not in contention. jk?

what difference would it make? why dont you go back and do the research because i have no idea nor do i care......i've discussed golf plenty here......i dont post in many football game threads......does that somehow disqualify me as a football fan? or even better as a sooner fan?

tiger is GREAT for the game of golf, he's increased purses, he's increased the fanbase, the list goes on and on...the rest of the golfers in the field are thankful for what he's done...

.......have they "rory proofed" any courses? no, they havent.......the whole "i dont like tiger's fans" is just stupid......its your way of still hating on tiger with your own a5shole twist

so people like to watch a winner.......big friggin deal, welcome to the world of sports, its nothing new.......

i'll agree that he's not reached best of all time because he hasnt finished his career yet....but there's nobody playing today that even has a sniff of a chance at being named that, nobody except Tiger......he is, without a doubt, the best and most dominant golfer in the world TODAY, and has been for the last 7 years

[Turd_Ferguson]

i'm not a Tiger hater. i admit i used to be. but, go back to my post where i say it's about his fans.

Concur. I can't stand crowds, so following Tiger is pretty much out. Plus the **** tards that scream "Get in the hole" everytime he makes contact with the ball , really gets on my nerves.

[jk the sooner fan]

you dont think people scream that around other golfers? you just only see Tiger on the tube

people like to watch a winner, an they like to watch what they feel is history in the making......sort of like watching Jordan......i watched him because he was the best...i dont know how long it will be before another player like him comes around....so i enjoy the dominant athletes in any sport while i have the chance

[King Crimson]

where am i associated with sympathetic to "rory". weak attack, jk.

you people need reading skillz.

Tiger is the best player in golf. i said it. talk about haters.

when someone questions your undivided yahoosorts star world you cramp like a 17 year old.

some people like to watch great golf and don't choose the star system or throw some half-*** patriotism in the mix--gotta pull for a US player!

some of us like the game of golf, no matter who plays it.

[jk the sooner fan]

the rory proof was simply just pulling a name out of a hat, i could have used "jesper proofed" or "lefty proofed"

[King Crimson]

"proof" of what?

[OklahomaTuba]

Tiger vs. Jack. That would be a short game...


http://roicopy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/WindowsLiveWriter/24ReduxMyBlastFromThePast_BBFD/jack_bauer_gun%5B2%5D.jpg

[1stTimeCaller]

it's in the pudding

[1stTimeCaller]

I am Jack's backswing

[Mjcpr]

Dear people,

I don't give a **** who you like or why you like them and I will not pound out hundreds of words here telling you why you're wrong or why it rubs me the wrong way.

That is all.

[King Crimson]

so: what you are saying is really: wrong and right scares you, doesn't it?

:D

[1stTimeCaller]

Hey guys, my brother loaded Dean Blevins up into the meat wagon the other day at the course. He said that Dean had no idea where he was. Dean was trying to light a cigar and then passed out.

[1stTimeCaller]

Tiger Woods invented iTunes

[King Crimson]

Hey guys, my brother loaded Dean Blevins up into the meat wagon the other day at the course. He said that Dean had no idea where he was. Dean was trying to light a cigar and then passed out.

my sister used to work at the Mont. her stories about Dean are both stupid and hate the guy more than i already did.

i like women as much as the next guy, but....

Dean=jackass.

[Newbomb Turk]

I wish the leaders would tee off a little earlier. I'm glad golf is on now, but nobody interesting to watch yet.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Dean=jackass.

and, he has eyes like an oppossum.

[King Crimson]

Tiger Woods invented iTunes

bull****:

after she invented human life, Rachel Ray was at the Maxim photo-shoot and THEN invented Tiger Woods and then invented iTunes.

[jk the sooner fan]

"proof" of what?

oh geez, seriously

i said that the courses havent been "rory proofed" like they have been for Tiger......you for some reason took it as a personal attack

[Mjcpr]

I'll be playing at Battle Creek this afternoon.....hope I survive.

[Newbomb Turk]

I'll be playing at Battle Creek this afternoon.....hope I survive.

good thing about playing in the afternoon when it's this hot - there usually isn't a bunch of people on the course.

[King Crimson]

oh geez, seriously

i said that the courses havent been "rory proofed" like they have been for Tiger......you for some reason took it as a personal attack

not even, you used the phrase "proof" or some derivation three times in that post--and you tried to puss "Rory" on me.

i asked you what you meant. i have not at any time denied Tiger is the best player in the game today. what i ask is why you and others get a hotsie on to defend him at any criticism?

why? because your mind has been colonized by the "star system".

[1stTimeCaller]

Are y'all gonna play beer-a-hole?

[Newbomb Turk]

Are y'all gonna play beer-a-hole?

who you callin an a-hole?

[Mjcpr]

good thing about playing in the afternoon when it's this hot - there usually isn't a bunch of people on the course.

You're a glass half full kinda guy aren't you?

:D

[Mjcpr]

Are y'all gonna play beer-a-hole?

We will have beer, but I ain't drinkin' that many out there. :D

[Mongo]

We will have beer, but I ain't drinkin' that many out there. :D


you are more a Bartles and James kind of guy?

[Mjcpr]

you are more a Bartles and James kind of guy?

Have you tried the Fuzzy Navel? OMG.....dee-lish!

[Mongo]

Have you tried the Fuzzy Navel? OMG.....dee-lish!

I love every kind of BJ:D

[1stTimeCaller]

who you callin an a-hole?

Mongo and critical_phil. And Newbomb.:P

[Mjcpr]

Are y'all gonna play beer-a-hole?

If you want, you can come out and beer bitch for us.

[Newbomb Turk]

Mongo and critical_phil. And Newbomb.:P

can't argue that.

:D

[1stTimeCaller]

will big tips be involved?

[Mjcpr]

will big tips be involved?

Absolutely. I can guarantee you that you will get no less than 4 tips once we get way back away from the clubhouse.

[Newbomb Turk]

now you two have messed up a perfectly good cat fight between jk and king crimson.


;)

[1stTimeCaller]

Oh boy!! I hope they are big enough to fill my pockets up.

[Mjcpr]

Oh boy!! I hope they are big enough to fill my pockets up.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/153930171_3945346503.jpg

[1stTimeCaller]

:hot:

[r5TPsooner]

We need to have a SF golf outing.

[StoopTroup]

As soon as I can hit one straight off the tee again...

The Daughter and I are going to start playing.

The last time they took the my 7 iron away from me at the range.

[1stTimeCaller]

you just want to feel my pocket don't you?

[1stTimeCaller]

I had no idea that Kenney Chesney was a pro golfer.

He does look more Asian on the golf course than he does on stage.

[King Crimson]

no way Verplank can make enough birdies to win. Eldrick may have just won this yesterday, like Floyd in 77 (or whenever).

[Newbomb Turk]

Tiger is just hitting it too well right now. I just hope there is some good golf today. and by good, I mean competitive.

[Scott D]

Rory=not a metaphor for all of golf. nor was it a major.

i'm not a Tiger hater. i admit i used to be. but, go back to my post where i say it's about his fans. same with Daly.

i'm a fan of the game.

You're right, it wasn't a major..however he's shown more bravado that the rest of the field during the course of this year. Of course, you can show bravado like that when nobody knows who you are, and you've got a grand total of 11 wins in your career.

I'd agree that a majority of Tiger fans in terms of the gallery are borderline annoying, and the same could be said for Lefty fans or Daly fans, or Els fans, etc...

However, if the argument is has he been the most dominant over the past decade the answer is a pretty obvious yes. Has he been as dominant over the past 5 years as the first 5? Probably not. Is he considered a top contender in every major? I'd say yes. Is there any sort of consistency from the rest of the field to challenge him for that #1 ranking in the world? Not really, everyone seems to have a year or two where they make a run and then they somewhat fade away (Els, Vijay, and Lefty anyone?)

Truthfully, it seems to me that the golf media (and to a lesser degree the public) tend to bend over backwards trying to recreate the Jack v. Arnie scenario with Tiger v. (insert latest potential competitor) and that's where a majority of overall backlash begins.

[VeeJay]

Watching Daly today will be fun.

BTW, that first hole with d/t Tulsa in the distance is awesome looking.

[VeeJay]

JD may take off his shirt. A sweaty, sticky shirt may hamper his ability to successfully light his cigarettes.

[Mjcpr]

BTW, that first hole with d/t Tulsa in the distance is awesome looking.

I birdied it.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9231/downtownwg7.jpg

[KC//CRIMSON]

YOU mentioned technology, which in your your scenario where "Jack is getting smoked" it gives me pause that you introduce a variable (that you, then, deny) into the discussion.

Not true.



You put Jack in his prime against Tiger now, with all the new technology and added yardage, Jack gets smoked

This quote is saying that both could use new technology and added yardage. Not just Tiger.

And we're just talking about golf/golfers for christ sake, no need for YOU to get that worked up about it.

[sooneron]

I birdied it.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9231/downtownwg7.jpg
YOu can see downtown from LaFortune?

[Mjcpr]

You can see it from Battle Creek too. :D

[KC//CRIMSON]

I'll be playing at Battle Creek this afternoon.....hope I survive.

Try not to hit my family's house.:cool:

[Mjcpr]

I hope they don't live near #2.

[sooneron]

What is White Hawk like these days? I played it about 6 years ago.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Heh, check out the dork in the aggy helmet.

[Mjcpr]

Heh, check out the dork in the aggy helmet.

Sweet jeebus.

And, lest anyone thinking about rooting for this aggy, there was a blurb in today's PGA Champ section of the newspaper where he talked about getting a Boise State shirt after last year's Fiesta Bowl. Said he wore it a couple of times.

So, suck on that, bitches.

[oilmud]

Sweet jeebus.

And, lest anyone thinking about rooting for this aggy, there was a blurb in today's PGA Champ section of the newspaper where he talked about getting a Boise State shirt after last year's Fiesta Bowl. Said he wore it a couple of times.

So, suck on that, bitches.




f' the aggie:mad:

[r5TPsooner]

Garcia DQ'd ...ouch!

[Newbomb Turk]

Garcia DQ'd ...ouch!

what did he do?

[Newbomb Turk]

what did he do?

ah, found it. incorrect scorecard.

[King Crimson]

gonna be a long year for Serge until the Masters.

[Newbomb Turk]

I never understood the playing partner keeping your scorecard thing. For that matter, I don't see why the guys on the PGA tour even keep scorecards.

[Newbomb Turk]

the slo-mo cameras they have now are so cool.

[Newbomb Turk]

Verplank can't afford bogeys.

[King Crimson]

Verplank can't afford bogeys.

exactly. it's all about Tiger right now. unless someone is going throw up a 65.

if i kill Jim Nantz, will i go straight to heaven?

[1stTimeCaller]

is it too early to declare a Poke Choke?

[Newbomb Turk]

if i kill Jim Nantz, will i go straight to heaven?

you know, quite honestly I rarely hear him - kind of tune him out.

[Newbomb Turk]

that was cool - I had 11111 posts.

[StoopTroup]

is it too early to declare a Poke Choke?
It's never to early.