Hey Sean Penn....

[TexasLidig8r]

**** off....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070802/ap_en_ot/people_sean_penn

You and your crappy little movies can go live down in Venezuela!

I certainly don't agree with this Administration on everything it's done, but there are ways of voicing your respectful dissent.. and this ain't one of them.

[KABOOKIE]

Ah yes. Words of wisdom from the insanely rich pot smoker. Duuuuuude.

[NormanPride]

I've been thinking about something, Mr. President. If I'm here, and they're over there... Doesn't that make it their war?

[Hatfield]

seems there wasn't a lot said by penn to get you all up and arms...seems the article is more geared toward chavez's statements.

[jk the sooner fan]

damn the hollywood types wear me out......

[85Sooner]

The despots all love the dems. That says enough for me.

[usmc-sooner]

Let's see his job is to stand where they tell him to stand, say what they tell him to say, or read a cue card if it's too hard. All this while being filmed. OK you want to act mad and say this line. Yeah I think he's ready to run a country.

Take 2 you idiot (Sean Penn)

[VeeJay]

Well, Sean's Katrina /New Orleans gig didn't go so well. His boat took on water before he could even get started, saving the folks that the federal government didn't care about and all.

Let's see if he's more successful helping Chavez bring down the U.S. government.

[crawfish]

Hollywood loves its ruthless third-world dictators.

[TexasLidig8r]

http://madmikey.mu.nu/archives/Team%20America%20-%20Sean%20Penn-thumb.jpg

[soonerinabilene]

I have always said there wasnt a whole lot of "acting" goin on in I am Sam. Wonder if he is just filming the sequel, I am Sam 2: Still Tarded.

[IBTT]

too easy...

[Buck36]

His open letter the President a few months back.



Sean Penn
An Open Letter to the President...Four and a Half Years Later
Posted March 24, 2007 | 06:24 PM (EST)


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Four and a half years ago, I addressed the issue of war in an open letter to our President. Today I would like to again speak to him and his, directly. Mr. President, Mr. Cheney, Ms. Rice et al: Indeed America has a rich history of greatness -indeed, America is still today a devastating military superpower. And because, in the absence of a competent or brave Congress, of a mobilized citizenry, that level of power lies in your hands, it is you who have misused it to become our country's and our constitution's most devastating enemy. You have broken our country and our hearts. The needless blood on your hands, and therefore, on our own, is drowning the freedom, the security, and the dream that America might have been, once healed of and awakened by, the tragedy of September 11, 2001.

But now, we are encouraged to self-censor any words that might be perceived as inflammatory - if our belief is that this war should stop today. We cower as you point fingers telling us to "support our troops." Well, you and the smarmy pundits in your pocket, those who bathe in the moisture of your soiled and bloodstained underwear, can take that noise and shove it. We will be snowed no more. Let's make this crystal clear. We do support our troops in our stand, while you exploit them and their families. The verdict is in. You lied, connived, and exploited your own countrymen and most of all, our troops.

You Misters Bush and Cheney; you Ms. Rice are villainously and criminally obscene people, obscene human beings, incompetent even to fulfill your own self-serving agenda, while tragically neglectful and destructive of ours and our country's. And I got a question for your daughters Mr. Bush. They're not children anymore. Do they support your policy in Iraq? If they do, how dare they not be in uniform, while the children of the poor; black, white, Asian, Hispanic, and all the other American working men and women are slaughtered, maimed and flown back into this country under cover of darkness.

Now, because I've been on the streets of Baghdad during this occupational war, outside the Green Zone, without security, and you haven't; I've met children there. In that country of 25 million, these children have now suffered minimally, a rainstorm of civilian death around and among them totaling the equivalent of two hundred September 11ths in just four years of war. Two hundred 9/11s. Two hundred 9/11s.

You want to rattle sabers toward Iran now? Let me tell you something about Iran, because I've been there and you haven't. Iran is a great country. A great country. Does it have its haters? You bet. Just like the United States has its haters. Does it have a corrupt regime? You bet. Just like the United States has a corrupt regime. Does it want a nuclear weapon? Maybe. Do we have one? You bet. But the people of Iran are great people. And if we give that corrupt leadership, (by attacking Iran militarily) the opportunity to unify that great country in hatred against us, we'll have been giving up one of our most promising future allies in decades. If you really know anything about Iran, you know exactly what I'm referring to. Of course your administration belittles diplomatic potential there, as those options rely on a credibility and geopolitical influence that you have aggressively squandered worldwide.

Speaking of squandering, how about the billion and a half dollars a day our Iraq-focused military is spending, where three weeks of that kind of spending, would pay the tab on a visionary levy-building project in New Orleans and relieve the entire continent of Africa from starvation and the spread of disease. Not to mention the continued funds now necessary, to not only rebuild our education and healthcare systems, but also, to give care and aid to the veterans of this war, both American and our Iraqi allies and friends who have lost everything.

You say we've kept the war on terror off our shores by responding to a criminal act of terror through state sponsored unilateral aggression in a country that took no part in that initial crime. That this war would be fought in Iraq or fought here. They are not our toilet. They are a country of human beings whose lives, while once oppressed by Saddam, are now lived in Dante's inferno.

My 15-year-old daughter was working on a comparative essay this week (you can ask Condi what a comparative essay is, as academic exercises fit the limits of her political expertise.) My daughter's essay, which understood substance over theory, discusses the strengths of the Nuremberg trial justice beside the alternate strategy of truth and reconciliation in South Africa, and I quote: "When we observe distinctions between one power and another, one justice and another, we consider the divide between retribution and reconciliation, of closure and disclosure." I can't do her essay justice in this forum, but at its core, it asks how, when, and why we compromise toward peace, punish for war, or balance both for something more.

This may focus another soft spot in the rhetoric of both sides. We're told not to engage in the "politics of attack." To "keep away from the negative"...Well, Mr. Bush, when speaking of your administration, that would leave us silent, and impotent indeed.

So, in conclusion, I address my remaining remarks to the choir: We all played nice recently at the sad passing of former President Ford. Pundits and players on all sides re-visited his pardoning of Richard Nixon with praise, stating that a divided nation found unity. But what of that precedent on deterrence now? Where is justice now? Let's unite, not only in stopping this war, but holding this administration accountable as well. Without impeachment, justice cannot prevail. In our time, or our children's. And let's make it clear to democrats and republicans alike that we are not willing to wait on '08 to hear them say again: "If I'd known then, what I know now."

Even in a so-called victory, what we saw yesterday was a House of Representatives that couldn't bring itself to represent either conscience or constituents. It's a tragedy that the Democratic Party's leadership in Congress refuses to allow the House to vote on Barbara Lee's amendment for a fully funded, orderly withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of this year. Elites circled the war wagons against this proposal, and postponed the day of reckoning that must come as soon as possible - a complete pullout of U.S. military forces from Iraq.

There are presidential candidates who understand this. We do have candidates of conscience. As things stand today, I will be voting for Dennis Kucinich, who has fought this war from the beginning. You might say Kucinich can't win. Well, we have an opportunity to re-establish the credibility of democracy as viewed by the world at large.

We can fire our current president. We can choose the next president. You and me, the farmer in Wisconsin, the boys at Google, and Bill Gates.

It's up to us to choose. Why don't we choose?!

[usmc-sooner]

according to his letter Sean Penn is going to fire the President and along with a farmer in Wisconson and boys at Google and Bill Gates they are going to re-establish democracy.

outstanding

[soonerinabilene]

As things stand today, I will be voting for Dennis Kucinich, who has fought this war from the beginning

I dont even smoke pot, but I really, really want some of what he smokes. It has got to be primo sh*t.

[SCOUT]

Yeah, I am have a response for Sean Pean.

Uhhh... What?

http://humormeblog.beloblog.com/archives/geico.jpg

[picasso]

yes, George Bush's kids and grandkids and all and such need to be a fightin his ole war with him! by gawd.

[IronSooner]

I'm surprised anybody cares what Sean Penn thinks about politics. Honestly. I'm too lazy to even click to find out what exactly he said.

[reevie]

I'm surprised anybody cares what Sean Penn thinks about politics. Honestly. I'm too lazy to even click to find out what exactly he said.


I was going to click on the link and read it. And then I thought why do that? I'll just read idiotic, irrational anti-Bush, anti-American crap from this socialist bonehead that'll be just an attempt to make me mad at him again. So I passed and I feel much better for having done so.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I was going to click on the link and read it. And then I thought why do that? I'll just read idiotic, irrational anti-Bush, anti-American crap from this socialist bonehead that'll be just an attempt to make me mad at him again. So I passed and I feel much better for having done so.Bravo-a wise dec.!

[soonerscuba]

The despots all love the dems. That says enough for me.

Heh. You have any idea what kind of lovely folks we propped up in Latin America under Republican administrations? You probably do, but just don't care.

[85Sooner]

Some "lovely folks" are the lesser of two evils. ie: Saddam

[soonerscuba]

Some "lovely folks" are the lesser of two evils. ie: Saddam

So if Republicans do it, it's the lesser of two evils, but when secondary nobodies talk to leaders of other countries, it speaks to the whole of the Democratic party?

[soonerloyal]

I don't agree with much of the Iraq war, and I won't click on Seantardo's link, either.

If he had drowned in Nawlins, I wouldn't have spent one millisecond giving him the satisfaction of a thought.

Old Hollywood had stones. This Hollywood has stoners. A waste of space, that place.

[Harry Beanbag]

So if Republicans do it, it's the lesser of two evils, but when secondary nobodies talk to leaders of other countries, it speaks to the whole of the Democratic party?


Not the whole of the party, just the one's running it.

[soonerloyal]

Originally Posted by 85Sooner
The despots all love the dems. That says enough for me.

No, they don't. They don't like anything except themselves. That's an erroneous idea made up to whip people into a frenzy.

Blanket statements targeting anyone who opposes your own opinion, don't do much for either discussions or fixing our nation's problems.

[VeeJay]

What are all these fuggin a$sclowns going to do once a Democrat gets into office?

From what I've heard, some of the hardcore Lefties can't stand Hillary - she's not far enough off the chart for their liking.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

What are all these fuggin a$sclowns going to do once a Democrat gets into office?

From what I've heard, some of the hardcore Lefties can't stand Hillary - she's not far enough off the chart for their liking.Dude, vote Obama.

[Harry Beanbag]

What are all these fuggin a$sclowns going to do once a Democrat gets into office?

From what I've heard, some of the hardcore Lefties can't stand Hillary - she's not far enough off the chart for their liking.


After many months of not thinking Hillary had a chance in hell at even getting the nomination, I'm resigned to the fact that she's gonna get it. I won't comment on that right now, but as far as her compared to the other dildoes running against her, she's by far the safest as far as foreign policy goes. Obama and Edwards are children, she actually has some seasoning and sense to her. Of course she will try to absolutely destroy everything domestically...

[VeeJay]

After many months of not thinking Hillary had a chance in hell at even getting the nomination, I'm resigned to the fact that she's gonna get it. I won't comment on that right now, but as far as her compared to the other dildoes running against her, she's by far the safest as far as foreign policy goes. Obama and Edwards are children, she actually has some seasoning and sense to her. Of course she will try to absolutely destroy everything domestically...

Agree. I see Hillary winning just like her husband did in '92 and '96 with a 3rd party candidate siphoning votes away from a Rep. contender such as Thompson or Giuliani.

I don't see Hillary getting much near 50% but she can get 40-45 against any Republican. There's a lot of hatred out there.

Of that dismal lineup of Democrats, Hillary is the one closest to a centrist, from my view. Four more years or eight more years of Clintonitis will be like a terminal cancer, but compared to Bush I'm not sure if we'll be much worse for it.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Four more years or eight more years of Clintonitis will be like a terminal cancer, but compared to Bush I'm not sure if we'll be much worse for it.Taxes will go up. A lot. Are you ready? Whatever efforts made to stop illegal immigration between now and the '08 election will be abandoned. We might be moving MUCH closer to that Civil War that SicEm wants.(hide your weapons)

[soonerscuba]

Taxes will go up. A lot. Are you redy? Whatever efforts made to stop illegal immigration between now and the '08 election will be abandoned. We might be moving MUCH closer to that Civil War that SicEm wants.(hide your weapons)

Does the sky hurt when it hits you?

[Hatfield]

sure seems the repubs (on this board not classifying the whole of the party) are doomsdayers these days when looking to the future.

[Dio]

Does the sky hurt when it hits you?

So, you're saying taxes would go down and illegal immigration will be stopped by President HRC?

[soonerscuba]

So, you're saying taxes would go down and illegal immigration will be stopped by President HRC?

No, not at all. I bet taxes stay roughly the same, hell, people said the exact same thing about the 93 budget reduction package, and were wrong on a level that cannot even begin to be described as anything other than comical.

And nobody is stopping illegal immigration Republican or Democrat. I'm sure that people will blame Clinton, considering they blame them for everything else, but really they prospect of 2nd generation votes is just too appealing.

[mdklatt]

Taxes will go up. A lot.

They'll have to in order pay for 8 years of Bushonomics. Increased government spending and lower taxes for everybody! Hooray!

[soonerscuba]

They'll have to in order pay for 8 years of Bushonomics. Increased government spending and lower taxes for everybody! Hooray!

I'm afraid you're wrong on this one. We have tons of money that smells like Kung-Pow and will never, ever come back to haunt us.

[mdklatt]

We have tons of money that smells like Kung-Pow

Mmmmm....

[SCOUT]

I'm sure that people will blame Clinton, considering they blame them for everything else
You're right. George Bush never gets blamed for anything :rolleyes:

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So, you're saying taxes would go down and illegal immigration will be stopped by President HRC?TeeHee!

[soonerscuba]

You're right. George Bush never gets blamed for anything :rolleyes:

Bush does get blamed for things that are beyond his control, I think that it's just as stupid. But you and I both know there is more than one person on this board who will blame Clinton for all ills from 9/11 to Iraq. Just as there are those who will blame Bush for everything from 9/11 to the heat.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Bush does get blamed for things that are beyond his control, I think that it's just as stupid. But you and I both know there is more than one person on this board who will blame Clinton for all ills from 9/11 to Iraq. Just as there are those who will blame Bush for everything from 9/11 to the heat.Let's hear it for moral equivalence! Capitalism and Socialism are equally advantageous, no? Or is one better than the other?

[mdklatt]

Let's hear it for moral equivalence! Capitalism and Socialism are equally advantageous, no? Or is one better than the other?

Socialism is working pretty well for Scandanavia.

[soonerscuba]

Socialism is working pretty well for Scandanavia.

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[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Socialism is working pretty well for Scandanavia.1)Oh, yeah? 2) Socialism works equally well(or better than) Capitalism?

[mdklatt]

1)Oh, yeah?

Yeah.



2) Socialism works equally well(or better than) Capitalism?

It depends on the circumstances. It's certainly not a "moral" issue as you alluded to. Or maybe it is. I doubt that Jesus was all about hoarding money when others had to go without. Thank goodness I'm not a Christian; I can continue hoarding guilt-free.

:pop:

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Yeah.




It depends on the circumstances. It's certainly not a "moral" issue as you alluded to. Or maybe it is. I doubt that Jesus was all about hoarding money when others had to go without. Thank goodness I'm not a Christian; I can continue hoarding guilt-free.

:pop:Da*n, you're smart. Do you think Jesus was for punitive taxation and excessive Big-Brotherism by the state? Socialism is about forced re-distribution of wealth, instead of voluntary. Can you see the difference?

[Harry Beanbag]

No, not at all. I bet taxes stay roughly the same, hell, people said the exact same thing about the 93 budget reduction package, and were wrong on a level that cannot even begin to be described as anything other than comical.


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTk4NDBkMjVjNGMwYmE2MGRlNTQ4ZTA4MWNmYWJmMDE=


Only 1,295 shopping days left until a massive tax increase hits America. That’s right: Unless congressional Republicans aggressively focus on extending expiring tax cuts, taxpayers will soon enough be facing the biggest tax hike in American history.




Many of you are well enough off that the tax cuts may have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.

[Buck36]

seems there wasn't a lot said by penn to get you all up and arms...seems the article is more geared toward chavez's statements.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_on_en_mo/people_sean_penn;_ylt=AqxVEw2I4h46LPCYUSoP3xhnhVID

I don't think it is so much his words as him wielding his celebrity status.


Cuban-born actress Maria Conchita Alonso, who grew up in Venezuela, said Penn is lending support to a "totalitarian" leader who wants increasing control of society — a charge Chavez denies.

In a phone interview from her home in Beverly Hills, Calif., Alonso said although she respects Penn as an actor, she hopes he "comes to his senses and he realizes that he's being used."

[royalfan5]

Socialism is working pretty well for Scandanavia.
It's more of a Social Democracy than Socialism.

[mdklatt]

It's more of a Social Democracy than Socialism.

That's a difference without a distinction around here.

[mdklatt]

Do you think Jesus was for punitive taxation and excessive Big-Brotherism by the state?

What's punitive about it if it pays for your education, health care, etc?

Religion isn't about Big-Brotherism at all. :rolleyes:




Socialism is about forced re-distribution of wealth, instead of voluntary.

You do know that Scandanavian countries are all democracies, right?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

What's punitive about it if it is the only provider of your education, health care, etc., and thereby stifles incentives for improvements and competition?






You do know that Scandanavian countries are all democracies, right?Then get along, fella. Guess you would prefer their economy to ours, which is till somewhat capitalist, and we all know what an inferior place the US is to "Scandinavia". Try to remember your English, so you can email us to keep us informed of the ongoing splendor of Scandinavia.

[soonerscuba]

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTk4NDBkMjVjNGMwYmE2MGRlNTQ4ZTA4MWNmYWJmMDE=

Same song and dance, will probably have the same dire effects that they had in the 90s. Only maybe, we can keep from blowing our surplus load on stupid crap.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Why won't the American socialists just go live in a socialist country? They could even go to one that pretends to be a democratic, like Mexico.

[Harry Beanbag]

Same song and dance, will probably have the same dire effects that they had in the 90s. Only maybe, we can keep from blowing our surplus load on stupid crap.


So you think the government should make a profit off the people?

[mdklatt]

So you think the government should make a profit off the people?

How about it at least tries to break even?

[Harry Beanbag]

How about it at least tries to break even?


My question was in regards to scuba's surplus statement.

[usmc-sooner]

How about it at least tries to break even?

they bring in enough to break even but they try to fund things that they shouldn't. How about quit squandering billions of tax dollars and wanting to tax us more.

[soonerscuba]

So you think the government should make a profit off the people?

I think it's better than deficit. I mean, government loosley works on the same principles as a family budget, buying an item with surplus is far preferable to buying the same item with interest, and instead of paying MBNA, we pay the People's Republic of China.

People, including the President and members of Congress, act as if we will never actually have to pay for social security, our massive entitlements, or quagmires in the mid-east.

[Harry Beanbag]

I think it's better than deficit. I mean, government loosley works on the same principles as a family budget, buying an item with surplus is far preferable to buying the same item with interest, and instead of paying MBNA, we pay the People's Republic of China.

People, including the President and members of Congress, act as if we will never actually have to pay for social security, our massive entitlements, or quagmires in the mid-east.


Of course deficit spending is retarded, nobody (I hope) would argue that. But I think the government having a surplus of tax money is possibly worse, that means the American people are being overtaxed.