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TopDaugIn2000
7/23/2007, 02:32 PM
this is getting a little absurd. a guy at work just showed me the school supply list he has to get for his 2 kids. Whatever happened to showing up with a pencil and some paper?!?!?!?!

1 - box washable crayons (8ct) NO JUMBO
1 - box washable crayons (16 ct)
2 - boxes washable markers (24 ct)
2 - boxes washable markers (8 ct)
4 - black dry erase markers (Expo brand)
24 - #2 pencils
2 - pair Fiskar rounded scissors
2 - (4 oz.) bottles school glue (white)
2 - bottles DAB'N Stick Glue (found at Copelin's or Mardel's)
5 - glue sticks
1 - 12" wooden ruler
1 - box Prang watercolors (8 count)
1 - school bag or back pack folder size (no wheels)
1 - can Play-Doh
1 - pkg. plain cap erasers
1 - large eraser
4 - 80ct spiral notebooks (wide-lined)
1 - standard sized plastic school box (no jumbo size)
5 - plastic folders (1 each solid red, blue, green, yellow, purple)
1 - box 80-count Baby Wipes
1 - container baby wipes
2 - large boxes Kleenex
1 - box ziploc bags snack size
1 - box ziploc gallon bags - boys
1 - box ziploc quart bags - girls
1 - set headphones
1 - box of tissues for Music
1 - Prang water color set for Art
1 - 2 pocket folder for Art
1 - pkg. baby wipes for Art
PLACE ALL SUPPLIES INTO A LARGE ZIPLOCK BAG WITH STUDENT NAME ON THE OUTSIDE. DO NOT PUT NAMES ON INDIVIDUAL ITEMS.

oumartin
7/23/2007, 02:35 PM
yeah the list we got for my youngest had a long list and in bold black it said NO EXCEPTIONS OR SUBSTITUTIONS!

Well I got news for you teachers. The Woo town Wal Mart is the most poorly stocked P.O.S. in the country and even on a good day you can't find half that stuff.

soonersweetie
7/23/2007, 02:37 PM
I find it hysterical that they include post it notes and highlighters for elementary aged kids out here. Like a 6 yr old needs post it notes. You know they are for the teachers. I whole-heartedly agree that teachers need to be paid more, but if you need supplies, just say so. Don't try to disguise it as school supplies for the kid.

TopDaugIn2000
7/23/2007, 02:39 PM
a box of tissues for MUSIC???????

My mom taught elementary music for about 10 years, I need to ask her if they REALLY needed tissues in her class

sooner_born_1960
7/23/2007, 02:40 PM
I can't speak for Woo townites, but at my kid's school, the PTA put together everything you need. Just buy it from them.

rufnek05
7/23/2007, 02:40 PM
sounds like they are running a boot camp, not a class room.

TopDaugIn2000
7/23/2007, 02:44 PM
one kid is in 1st grade, the other is in 2nd. apparently this list was posted on the school's website.

sooner_born_1960
7/23/2007, 02:44 PM
I've never servered in the military, and have only experienced boot camp through movies and books, but I don't recall seeing any of those items in boot camp. Maybe the Air Force?

rufnek05
7/23/2007, 02:47 PM
yeah, they like to color.

TopDaugIn2000
7/23/2007, 02:48 PM
I just sent my coworker the "How much are you worth" quiz in case he needed some help purchasing these supplies

yermom
7/23/2007, 02:53 PM
what happens when you send them with just pencils and college ruled paper? ;)

rufnek05
7/23/2007, 02:54 PM
what happens when you send them with just pencils and college ruled paper? ;)

they get held back a year.

Soonrboy
7/23/2007, 03:22 PM
Nothing. It's free and public education. No one can make you buy anything. They are suggested lists, not a "if you don't have this" type of thing. Granted it does help the teacher alot to have the items, but if 5 kids show up without the supplies, then the teacher has to find them somewhere.

sooner_born_1960
7/23/2007, 03:24 PM
the teacher has to find them somewhere.
Really?

yermom
7/23/2007, 03:26 PM
Nothing. It's free and public education. No one can make you buy anything. They are suggested lists, not a "if you don't have this" type of thing. Granted it does help the teacher alot to have the items, but if 5 kids show up without the supplies, then the teacher has to find them somewhere.

that's what i was thinking... but the "NO SUBSTITUTIONS" thing sounds a bit much

garland sooner
7/23/2007, 03:32 PM
one kid is in 1st grade, the other is in 2nd. apparently this list was posted on the school's website.


For a minute, I thought you took the time to type up the entire list. I didn't use half that stuff as a little kid.

oumartin
7/23/2007, 03:41 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1355/877857863_27dbaabaa5_o.jpg

rufnek05
7/23/2007, 03:43 PM
i remember in 2nd grade, all we had was markers, crayons, pencils and paper. maybe some glue. good ole public schools.

Soonrboy
7/23/2007, 03:47 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1355/877857863_27dbaabaa5_o.jpg

sounds like someone up there needs to be reminded what free means.

85Sooner
7/23/2007, 04:34 PM
Headphones???????????????????? What the hell for? I know we are spending billions of dollars on so called education and I know my Good Governement school tax bill keeps going up. What the hell are we paying for. WE have to buy food, an enormous list of supplies ( that will be community property) (thrown in for the socialists ). I am really losing more and more respect for the education system in the country.

85Sooner
7/23/2007, 04:35 PM
Nothing. It's free and public education. No one can make you buy anything. They are suggested lists, not a "if you don't have this" type of thing. Granted it does help the teacher alot to have the items, but if 5 kids show up without the supplies, then the teacher has to find them somewhere.


Free? for whom? :)

blueyedsooner
7/23/2007, 05:15 PM
As a teacher, it would be nice to have kids with all the "same" supplies....but it'll never happen. We ask for 24 ct crayons and there are always a few that show up with 64 and have nowhere to keep them or only 8 ct and they throw fits b/c they don't have the same colors as everyone else. School supplies are a pain. I wish everyone would just purchase them from the school PTO so each child would have everything they need.

Also our lists are checked by the principal and we have to account for everything we use. We don't put "wants" or "it would be nice to haves" on our lists. Just the basics.

As for Music needing Kleenex...heck ya they do. Little ones noses run NON STOP!!! But I usually have an abundance of Kleenex and most teachers provide the specialty teachers with such items.

oumartin
7/23/2007, 05:20 PM
okay but do you have to specify crayola? thats what they do here. you have to have crayola and no other brand.. Ya know it doesn't bother me until you start telling me what I will buy.

Okla-homey
7/23/2007, 05:27 PM
I started school at Northwest Elementary in Ardmore in 1965 with a "Big Chief" tablet, a satchel, four of those fat pencils, kids scissors, crayons and a bottle of mucilage. 10 bucks at "Texoma Office Supply" thank-youverymuch.

Back in my day, if any more was needed to fill our noggins with useful information, it was provided by the school district. As I recall, that included a Dick and Jane reader, some foolscap for drawing, and some mimeographed arithmetic worksheets (that smelled awesome right off the thingy.)

It seems to me, the school is just transferring costs which should legitimately be born by it to the parents. My cynical side tells me it is to help keep the bloated public school support staff and extraneous and/or redundant credentialed personnel on the payroll. BTW, I wonder what happens if little Johnny, Demetrius or Javier from the trailer park shows up with none of that stuff?

85Sooner
7/23/2007, 06:15 PM
I started school at Northwest Elementary in Ardmore in 1965 with a "Big Chief" tablet, a satchel, four of those fat pencils, kids scissors, crayons and a bottle of mucilage. 10 bucks at "Texoma Office Supply" thank-youverymuch.

Back in my day, if any more was needed to fill our noggins with useful information, it was provided by the school district. As I recall, that included a Dick and Jane reader, some foolscap for drawing, and some mimeographed arithmetic worksheets (that smelled awesome right off the thingy.)

It seems to me, the school is just transferring costs which should legitimately be born by it to the parents. My cynical side tells me it is to help keep the bloated public school support staff and extraneous and/or redundant credentialed personnel on the payroll. BTW, I wonder what happens if little Johnny, Demetrius or Javier from the trailer park shows up with none of that stuff?


Easy! He gets yours of course. Remember....... its always right to share.

soonerbrat
7/23/2007, 07:15 PM
my kids' grade school always put the supply packages together and we just bought the package....

85Sooner
7/23/2007, 07:20 PM
my kids' grade school always put the supply packages together and we just bought the package....


Which is another reason you don't have one miiiiillllllliiiiiiioooooonnnn dollars.

Newbomb Turk
7/24/2007, 06:52 AM
They told my son last year (middle school) that you don't get a locker until you bring ALL of your supplies.

TopDaugIn2000
7/24/2007, 07:48 AM
some of these schools would be SOL if they were located in LeFlore County. many of those kids can barely afford a pencil and paper, much less all that other crap.

SoonerJack
7/24/2007, 07:51 AM
Headphones???????????????????? What the hell for? I know we are spending billions of dollars on so called education and I know my Good Governement school tax bill keeps going up. What the hell are we paying for. WE have to buy food, an enormous list of supplies ( that will be community property) (thrown in for the socialists ). I am really losing more and more respect for the education system in the country.

85, You should run for school board and help them solve their problems.

sooner_born_1960
7/24/2007, 07:55 AM
Headphones???????????????????? What the hell for?
I think they are for the computers. Everyone has to have their own pair. For the same reason airlines sanitize headphones between uses.

TopDaugIn2000
7/24/2007, 08:30 AM
airlines sanitize headphones between uses.

yeah RIGHT :rolleyes:

jrsooner
7/24/2007, 09:20 AM
what happens when you send them with just pencils and college ruled paper? ;)Well... here in Katy...

1. They are accused of "causing a disruption".
2. School calls Katy ISD Police who write a ticket for anything related to disrupting the peace.
3. Kid gets suspended for 2 semesters and has to serve time in the A-School for the duration.

:) :) :) :) :) :)

Seriously, I think it's part of the contract...yes...CONTRACT that parents have to sign at the start of school so the kids can attend the school.

They also put alot of the items in a "pool" for all the students to use. We got smart last year, and went to OK and got my kid's school supplies. It's amazing how they were the only kids that wanted to use the "Sooner" items. :)

jrsooner
7/24/2007, 09:39 AM
Here's the listing for 2nd and 4th graders in Katy (some schools may vary slightly), it's about the same every year.

2nd Grade Items
3 - Box of Tissues
3 - Sanitizing Wipes
1 - Hand Sanitizers
1 - Disinfecting Spray Can
1 - 9x12 Construction Paper (Assorted)
1 - 24 pack of crayons
3 - 24 pack of pencils
1 - 12 pack color pencils
1 - Markers classic colors
2 - Black Dry Erase Markers
1 - 4 pack dry erase markers
1 - pack of white copy paper
2 - Pink Erasures
1 - Scissors
2 - Glue Stick
2 - Wide Ruled Notebook Paper
2 - Spiral Notebooks
1 - Ruler 12" with metric
1 - Zipper Bags - Sandwich

Pocket Folders with Brads:
1 - Blue
1 - Red
1 - Yellow
1 - Green
1 - Purple
1 - Orange

1 - Blue Vinyl Folder
1 - Pencil Sharpner
1 - 3x5 Index Cards - Pack
1 - 4x6 Index Cards - Pack
1 - Pack Dividers
1 - 1 inch Binder
1 - School Planner (Purchase at school for $4)
1 - Pencil Box
1 - Red Pen

4th Grade Items
3 - Box of Tissues
3 - Sanitizing Wipes
1 - Hand Sanitizers
1 - Disinfecting Spray Can
1 - 9x12 Construction Paper (Assorted)
1 - 24 pack of crayons
2 - 24 pack of pencils
1 - 12 pack color pencils
1 - Markers classic colors
2 - Black Dry Erase Markers
1 - pack of white copy paper
1 - Scissors
1 - Glue Bottle
4 - Wide Ruled Notebook Paper
2 - Spiral Notebooks
1 - Composition Book
1 - Ruler 12" with metric
1 - Zipper Bags - Gallon
1 - Zipper Bags - Quart
6 (any color) - Pocket Folders with Brads:
- Blue
- Red
- Yellow
- Green
- Purple
- Orange
1 - Blue Vinyl Folder
2 - 4x6 Index Cards - Pack
1 - Pack Highlighters
1 - 1/4 x 1/4 Graph Paper
1 - School Planner ($4 purchase at school)
1 (bag) - Pencil Box
2 - Red Pen
1 - Weekly Reader Subscription ($3.95 purchase at school)

olevetonahill
7/24/2007, 10:15 AM
i remember in 2nd grade, all we had was markers, crayons, pencils and paper. maybe some glue. good ole public schools.
PSHT how about Chalk and a slate . Younguns today .

TopDaugIn2000
7/24/2007, 10:28 AM
Olevets school supplies:

http://www.randyasplund.com/asplund/misc/billytab.jpg

olevetonahill
7/24/2007, 10:47 AM
Olevets school supplies:

http://www.randyasplund.com/asplund/misc/billytab.jpg
:D

Flagstaffsooner
7/24/2007, 10:56 AM
1 - box ziploc gallon bags - boys
1 - box ziploc quart bags - girls I may be dumb but why the different sizes?

oumartin
7/24/2007, 10:59 AM
duh flag, teachers need them for storing different amounts of left overs at home. sheesh

SoonerObsession
7/24/2007, 11:25 AM
I teach 1st grade and I just wanted to chime in. The reason most schools ask for certain brands like Crayola is because other brands like RoseArt simply don't last. They break easily and you end up having to replace them a lot more often. Even the RoseArt markers don't last as long. When the other teachers and I get together and try to decide what should be on the list, we really try to keep it as low cost as possible. When I first started teaching I thought the school supply list was a bit much, but after teaching for 9 years now I can honestly say that all these supplies are needed. I still end up spending hundreds of dollars every year to help make up for what my students don't bring, or just materials that the district won't provide. If you don't supply the things on the list, then the teacher usually ends up having to supply it. It's either that or the student feeling left out because he or she does not have what the other kids have. Last year I had a wonderful parent that asked if there were any students that needed help and was willing to supply them with what they needed. I know it seems expensive to supply all these things, but half of the people who complain about it have no problem blowing $100 on liquor over the weekend.

olevetonahill
7/24/2007, 11:28 AM
But Booze Is necessary , All that other stuff is just optional !

Mjcpr
7/24/2007, 11:30 AM
I'm pretty sure my mom bought about a dozen protractors and that other semi-circle thing you always had to get.

I don't recall ever having used one. It worked great as something to poke your finger when you reached down into your pencil box though.

StuIsTheMan
7/24/2007, 11:32 AM
I've never servered in the military, and have only experienced boot camp through movies and books, but I don't recall seeing any of those items in boot camp. Maybe the Air Force?
Watch it there nonner...we had to take plenty of crayons and water colors to boot camp. Show's ya what you know.:D
Now the Army, Navy and Marines had a long list like that to bring...along with a blind fold and some KY.;)

StuIsTheMan
7/24/2007, 11:35 AM
I'm pretty sure my mom bought about a dozen protractors and that other semi-circle thing you always had to get.

I don't recall ever having used one. It worked great as something to poke your finger when you reached down into your pencil box though.

Well the Protractor is the semi circle thing...a compass is the thing you poked yourself on...maybe you should have paid more attention during Math class...:D

SwitzerFan
7/24/2007, 11:59 AM
Nevermind

85Sooner
7/24/2007, 12:00 PM
85, You should run for school board and help them solve their problems.


I would love to. Unfortunately they would not want me.

1. Cut Admin salaries (superintendents etc...) by half.
2. Give teachers a raise and bonuses based on merit (pre-test at first of year, post-test at end of year).
3. Tell the union to take a flying leap.
4. Require no bilingual classes. All classes to be taught in english.
5. Teachers would work 12 months out of the year. A standard 250 day work year

6. The three r's would be paramount.
7. P.E. would be mandatory every year
8. One of the arts, would be mandatory each year for each student
9. One science would be mandatory for each year
10. All students would be required to attend the full 6 hours/classes per day

There would be a start

TopDaugIn2000
7/24/2007, 01:01 PM
I may be dumb but why the different sizes?

I wondered that myself.....

SicEmBaylor
7/24/2007, 01:31 PM
I would love to. Unfortunately they would not want me.

1. Cut Admin salaries (superintendents etc...) by half.
2. Give teachers a raise and bonuses based on merit (pre-test at first of year, post-test at end of year).
3. Tell the union to take a flying leap.
4. Require no bilingual classes. All classes to be taught in english.
5. Teachers would work 12 months out of the year. A standard 250 day work year

6. The three r's would be paramount.
7. P.E. would be mandatory every year
8. One of the arts, would be mandatory each year for each student
9. One science would be mandatory for each year
10. All students would be required to attend the full 6 hours/classes per day

There would be a start

Cut out #8 and that's an excellent excellent start.

TopDaugIn2000
7/24/2007, 01:38 PM
and don't forget require some basic MATH. I hate when a checker can't make freakin change.

85Sooner
7/24/2007, 01:56 PM
and don't forget require some basic MATH. I hate when a checker can't make freakin change.


Three r's writing , reading and arithmetic (sp)


Oh and on # 8 I would recategorize the arts to include,

Art, Music, band, theater, woodshop,construction, plumbing, automotive etc. and other trade classes ( because after trying many of them myself I can say they are quite an art)

SicEmBaylor
7/24/2007, 02:08 PM
Three r's writing , reading and arithmetic (sp)


Oh and on # 8 I would recategorize the arts to include,

Art, Music, band, theater, woodshop,construction, plumbing, automotive etc. and other trade classes ( because after trying many of them myself I can say they are quite an art)

Do they still have trade-craft type classes like that in high school? When I was in HS we had already done away with all of ours and replaced them with technology oriented classes.

You could, however, spend half your school day as a senior (maybe a junior) at the Muskogee Vo-Tech taking classes.

TopDaugIn2000
7/24/2007, 02:17 PM
Three r's writing , reading and arithmetic (sp)


Oh and on # 8 I would recategorize the arts to include,

Art, Music, band, theater, woodshop,construction, plumbing, automotive etc. and other trade classes ( because after trying many of them myself I can say they are quite an art)

oh yeah, that READING part I didn't do so good in

SicEmBaylor
7/24/2007, 02:36 PM
oh yeah, that READING part I didn't do so good in
...along with grammar.;)

TopDaugIn2000
7/24/2007, 02:47 PM
but I rawked at MATH

Okla-homey
7/25/2007, 05:35 AM
If you don't supply the things on the list, then the teacher usually ends up having to supply it. It's either that or the student feeling left out because he or she does not have what the other kids have.

Then you are denying them a wonderful life lesson at an early age. To wit, some people have more than others. Moreover, the government is under no obligation to mitigate the economic disparities inherent in American life. If children learn that lesson, perhaps they will be inclined to work harder in school in order to improve their lot in life and less inclined later to engage in criminal behavior to "get theirs."

I know...that's just crazy talk.

Vaevictis
7/25/2007, 05:38 AM
Heh, you think that's the lesson that kids will take away from that kind of situation?

Are you that old that you don't remember what it was like at that age, or that old that it was that different when you were a kid? :D

Okla-homey
7/25/2007, 05:58 AM
Heh, you think that's the lesson that kids will take away from that kind of situation?

Are you that old that you don't remember what it was like at that age, or that old that it was that different when you were a kid? :D

Then pray tell what lesson it would teach a kid? I absolutely do remember some kids had more than me. That fact did in fact motivate me to work hard in school.

Isn't that also the reason many public schools require kids to wear uniforms? You know, to "level" them?

How is that preparing children for real life? Methinks it simply sets them up to expect someone or some governmental program to aid them and give them things they don't have or can't buy themselves. I also think that sort of thing tears at the fabric of our economic system and way of life.

Vaevictis
7/25/2007, 06:02 AM
Homey, the kids that draw that lesson are probably the ones that didn't need to learn it anyway -- they probably already have a good head on their shoulders, either from genetics, good parenting, or both.

The kids that needed to learn it, from what I remember, drew one of the following lessons:

1. To feel inferior because you don't have what the other kids have (... especially after getting teased for being different, which WILL happen)
2. To avoid the teasing, strike first and divert everyone else's attention to the OTHER kid.
3. If you don't have it, and you want it, take it.

Okla-homey
7/25/2007, 06:05 AM
Homey, the kids that draw that lesson are probably the ones that didn't need to learn it anyway.

The kids that needed to learn it, from what I remember, drew one of the following lessons:

1. To feel inferior because you don't have what the other kids have (... especially after getting teased for being different, which WILL happen)
2. To avoid the teasing, strike first and divert everyone else's attention to the OTHER kid.
3. If you don't have it, and you want it, take it.

The world needs ditchdiggers too.

Vaevictis
7/25/2007, 06:09 AM
Just sayin', if that's the lesson you want to teach, I think that the method prescribed is less than optimal.

Vaevictis
7/25/2007, 06:16 AM
FWIW, the way I learned about disparities was through charity; every Christmas, my parents would haul my *** off to the local toy store, and we'd buy all the toys I wanted most.

... and then to drive the knife through my greedy little four year old heart, we'd promptly deposit them all in the local Toys for Tots bin. :D

But they made sure to explain why we were doing it.

(Personally, I think that's a brilliant way to do the Christmas charity thing -- teach your kid something useful, and ensure that you get stuff that the kids receiving will actually want!)