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Okla-homey
7/19/2007, 07:38 AM
July 19, 1879 "Doc" Holliday kills for the first time

128 years ago today, John "Doc" Holliday commits his first homicide, killing a drunk for shooting up his New Mexico saloon.

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Doc Holliday, Dodge City dentist. photo c.1878

Shortly after graduating from the Pennsylvania College of Dental Surgery and establishing a successful Atlanta dental practice, the well-educated John Henry Holliday, D.D.S. discovered that he was suffering from a slowly advancing case of pulmonary tuberculosis, the same disease that had killed his mother when he was fifteen years old.


The Pennsylvania College of Dental Surgery was formed in 1856 and was the third oldest dental school in the country. It was located at 528 Arch Street in Philadelphia until 1864 when it moved to Tenth and Arch Streets. The college moved again in 1871 to Eleventh and Clinton Streets where it remained until 1909. It eventually was merged with the University of Pennsylvania system.


On the advice of his family physician, who was also his uncle, Holliday left his aristocratic Georgia home in 1873 (at the age of 22) and attempted to establish a dental career in the West. The Holliday family hoped that the dry climate might prolong his life.

Unfortunately his Dallas dental practice flagged (partly due to his illness and partly due to his increasing involvement in Dallas night life), and he soon found himself giving up dentistry for the life of a roving professional gambler. Nevertheless, at various times, he practiced dentistry along with gambling.
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Doc at age 22

Doc apparently used his dental practice as something of a cover at times, but he also took pride in his work (he was, by all accounts, a good dentist). His livelihood, however, was mostly derived from his skill at the card table, which was substantial.

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Playing Faro out West

He dealt "faro" and "Spanish monte" and played poker. His keen intelligence and particular skill in mathematics stood him in good stead, as he could quickly calculate percentages and count cards. He didn't often need to cheat during a card game, although he was not entirely honest in his faro dealing. That said, almost no actual faro dealers of the time were entirely honest—and Doc owned a fine pair of card-trimming shears as well as other implements of the trade.

Faro rules:
http://www.thegamesforum.com/Faro.htm

Doc moved around a lot, due to the nature of his gambling pursuits, and he became involved in a number of armed confrontations, although he is undoubtedly most famous for the part he played in the shootout near the OK Corral with the Earp brothers in Tombstone, Arizona in 1881.

In 1877, the gambler-drifter Doc met the love of his life in Fort Griffin, TX. She was a Hungarian-doctor’s-daughter-turned-prostitute, called "Big Nose Kate" Fisher a.k.a. Elder (Kate, whose real name was Harony, had apparently run away from home at the age of 16 for the same reason some teens run away today: to escape a sexually abusive male relative).
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Kate

Kate's nickname was generally only used by people who wished to disparage her as “Big-nose Kate.” She did have an aquiline nose, but not a particularly large or prominent one by most standards.

Despite his formidable reputation as a deadly gunslinger, Doc Holliday only engaged in eight shootouts during his life, and it has only been verified that he killed two men. Still, the smartly dressed dentist from Atlanta had a remarkably fearless attitude toward death and danger, probably because he always knew he was slowly dying from tuberculosis.

In 1879, Holliday settled in Las Vegas, New Mexico, where he opened a saloon with a partner. Holliday spent his evenings gambling in the saloon and he seemed determined to stress his health condition by heavy drinking. A notorious cad, Holliday also enjoyed the company of the dance hall girls that the partners hired to entertain the customers--which sometimes sparked trouble.

On this day in 1879, a liquored-up former army scout named Mike Gordon tried to persuade one of Holliday's saloon girls to quit her job and run away with him. When she refused, Gordon became infuriated. He went out to the street and began to fire randomly into the saloon. He didn't have a chance to do much damage--after the second shot, Holliday calmly stepped out of the saloon and despite being quite intoxicated himself, Holliday dropped Gordon with a single shot fired off hand. Gordon died the next day.

The following year in 1880, Holliday abandoned the saloon business and joined his old friend Wyatt Earp in Tombstone, Arizona. There he would kill his second victim, during the famous "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral" in October 1881. During the subsequent six years, Holliday assisted at several other killings and wounded a number of men in gun battles.

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The hotel/health club where Doc died in Glenwood Hot Springs CO.

His hard drinking and tuberculosis eventually caught up with him, and he retired to a Colorado health resort where he died in 1887. Struck by the irony of such a peaceful end to a violent life, his last words reportedly were "This is funny."

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Buried in a cemetery in the Glenwood Hot Springs CO where he died -- the footstone is merely an attempt to deter those who might wish to vandalize the grave.

As an aside, my personal favorite film portrayal of the the coolest DDS who ever strapped on a gunbelt, was the one done by Val Kilmer in the 1993 film "Tombstone." Val Kilmer is exactly Doc’s height and build (pale and slender at 160 pounds, but not skeletal at 6 feet tall), and his costuming is accurate, for the most part right down to the cravat and diamond stickpin. Kilmer’s portrayal captures Doc’s aristocratic Georgia accent, his age (30 years—the youngest of his OK Corral party), good looks, education and culture, gambling skill, drinking, cough, pallor, wit, outward attitude, and, of course, his loyalty to Wyatt Earp.

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Kilmer as Doc

Incidentally, the famous "I'm your huckleberry" line from the film probably wasn't spoken by the real Doc. Whether he did or did not use this colorful phrase, however, it does capture a nineteenth-century southernism that, in this instance, means “I’m your man” or “I’m just what you want.” Doc did use southern and western slang expressions, and he was certainly not one to back down from an armed challenge. According to biographers, what he said to Ringo was: “All I want of you is ten paces out in the street.”

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Okieflyer
7/19/2007, 08:02 AM
Once again you come through with a good one!

OUHOMER
7/19/2007, 08:21 AM
I thought Val nailed Doc. Not that i would really have any idea but i thought he did a fantastic job.

Another goos post homey

Taxman71
7/19/2007, 08:58 AM
Big Nose Kate looks like Jennifer Aniston. And Doc/Kilmer definitely stole the show in Tombstone. Never made it past the first hour of Kevin Costner's version.

sooneron
7/19/2007, 09:01 AM
"Why Johnny Ringo, you look like someone just walked over your grave..."

SoonerStormchaser
7/19/2007, 03:41 PM
Sorry Homer, I think Quaid outdid Kilmer ten times over...say what you will about "Wyatt Earp," but Quaid's performance was phenominal!

Scott D
7/19/2007, 03:48 PM
Stormchaser... one of the 12 people that didn't use "Wyatt Earp" starring Kevin Costner as a cure for insomnia........ :D

jk the sooner fan
7/19/2007, 03:50 PM
Sorry Homer, I think Quaid outdid Kilmer ten times over...say what you will about "Wyatt Earp," but Quaid's performance was phenominal!

i think you're on an island all alone with that opinion

Mongo
7/19/2007, 03:52 PM
Dont the armed services drug test?

SoonerStormchaser
7/19/2007, 03:52 PM
Probably...but how's that different from anything else I've said on this forum?

While we're at it...I don't drink beer...I hate it, in fact.

Scott D
7/19/2007, 03:56 PM
Dont the armed services drug test?

the air force ignores elevated estrogen levels in males...especially low ranking ossifer types ;)

SoonerStormchaser
7/19/2007, 04:02 PM
the air force ignores elevated estrogen levels in males...especially low ranking ossifer types ;)

Can't we all just stop arguing and sit in a circle and share our feelings?:pop:

Harry Beanbag
7/19/2007, 05:25 PM
Stormchaser... one of the 12 people that didn't use "Wyatt Earp" starring Kevin Costner as a cure for insomnia........ :D


Actually, I also really like Costner's version. The more I watch it, the more I like it. It's just a more subdued, cerebral approach to the same story. But overall, Tombstone is the better movie.

Scott D
7/19/2007, 06:21 PM
Actually, I also really like Costner's version. The more I watch it, the more I like it. It's just a more subdued, cerebral approach to the same story. But overall, Tombstone is the better movie.

I don't think I've watched more than 10 minutes of a Costner movie since Robin Hood of Central Ohio...before that it was Revenge. I think it had to do with the mandatory 3 hour Costner movie where the main character was from central Ohio. ;)

Mongo
7/19/2007, 06:50 PM
I don't think I've watched more than 10 minutes of a Costner movie since Robin Hood of Central Ohio...before that it was Revenge. I think it had to do with the mandatory 3 hour Costner movie where the main character was from central Ohio. ;)

The University of Florida thanks you for your hatred of the Buckeye State:D

olevetonahill
7/19/2007, 07:10 PM
Probably...but how's that different from anything else I've said on this forum?

While we're at it...I don't drink beer...I hate it, in fact.
I knew That I thot you and sicem were twinkies Fer a reason

SoonerStormchaser
7/19/2007, 07:19 PM
But, unlike SicEm, I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that I'm not ghey.

olevetonahill
7/19/2007, 07:30 PM
But, unlike SicEm, I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that I'm not ghey.
Ya think ?

SoonerStormchaser
7/19/2007, 07:57 PM
Well I certainly hope so!

jk the sooner fan
7/19/2007, 08:19 PM
thats a pretty low bar to hop over......

Newbomb Turk
7/19/2007, 08:27 PM
thats a pretty low bar to hop over......

i don't think you'd even have to hop to clear it.

olevetonahill
7/19/2007, 09:31 PM
thats a pretty low bar to hop under......
Kinda what i was thinkin

SoonerStormchaser
7/19/2007, 10:05 PM
Hey, at least I have a gold bar to hop over!

Harry Beanbag
7/19/2007, 10:35 PM
Hey, at least I have a butter bar to hop over!


Oh my, how impressive. ;)

85Sooner
7/19/2007, 11:44 PM
homey, You amaze me and I look forward to your "Good Mornings" every day. Thanks and great post.

olevetonahill
7/20/2007, 12:28 AM
homey, You amaze me and I look forward to your "Good Mornings" every day. Thanks and great post.
Get Back on subject ! we are Battering the butter Bar .:D

SoonerStormchaser
7/20/2007, 06:24 AM
Keep it up...you've only got 14 more months before it changes color!

olevetonahill
7/20/2007, 06:35 AM
Keep it up...you've only got 14 more months before it changes color!
so we can give ya hell about the butter fer 14 Mo months?
Then how long can we play with the silver platter ?

SoonerStormchaser
7/20/2007, 08:10 AM
two more years...then I get two silver bars...

the elusive oak leaf is up to me...

jk the sooner fan
7/20/2007, 08:12 AM
two more years...then I get two silver bars...

the elusive oak leaf is up to me...

are you skipping the single silver bar and going straight to captain?

SoonerStormchaser
7/20/2007, 08:20 AM
You missed that post, didn't you jk?

(hint: go up three posts ;))

soonerboy_odanorth
7/20/2007, 11:45 AM
According to biographers, what he said to Ringo was: “All I want of you is ten paces out in the street.”



Shoot-fire, that may be even more cool than "I'm your huckleberry."

Thanks -homey!

TexasLidig8r
7/20/2007, 11:55 AM
Greatness...

I'm afraid.. the strain was more than he could bear...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfMkzqA7LrM

Harry Beanbag
7/20/2007, 05:02 PM
Greatness...

I'm afraid.. the strain was more than he could bear...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfMkzqA7LrM


That's an awesome scene. :texan: