Turmoil in Tulsa

[TopDaugIn2000]

Turmoil in Tulsa: The illegal immigration wreck (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19466978/)

what's goin in up there????

[OklahomaTuba]

It has gotten out of hand here.

I didn't realize that people were staying home cause of it though. Wish they had, so wouldn't have waited 40 mins in line at the restaurant Saturday.

[OklahomaTuba]

Taylor has refused to sign the council’s resolution and instead issued a “policy clarification” stating that police need only ask about immigration status for felony cases or misdemeanors that result in a trip to jail.

Wow.

Looks like Mrs. Taylor isn't all the interested in fixing the problem either.

[JohnnyMack]

Pfft.

Screw this. I'm moving to Owasso.

[Jimminy Crimson]

No way, Jose!

[TopDaugIn2000]

and here I thought they were all in Pauls Valley......

[NormanPride]

I go away for a week and you guys let things go to hell. What's going on?

[M]

My aging mother, who has trouble getting around, was walking through the 51st & Memorial Albertson's parking lot when some dude backed out of his parking spot and ran into her. Not being the most agile woman and not being able to move out of the way, she flew up on his car trunk and then onto the pavement. The guy tried to drive off but some bystanders were able to stop him. The police were called and my mom was taken to the hospital. It turns out my mom was OK (other than some bruises and scrapes). But the driver had no ID, no driver's license, no insurance, no tag, and was probably in the country illegally (duh). Didn't speak any English. The police said they couldn't do anything other than impound the car because it happened on private property. I think the insurance company tried to go after him, but they really had no way of tracking him down.

[Jimminy Crimson]

I think in the case of illegals involved in automobile accidents, an automatic death penalty (on site) should be the punishment.

There's obviously nothing the police can do besides hand out some bs ticket that won't get paid.

[mikeelikee]

The amnesty crowd says we can't deport 12 million illegals (it's probably closer to 20 million by now), and they're probably right about that. But we sure as hell could begin to solve the problem by deporting the ones that cause problems such as the one described above.

[yermom]

I think in the case of illegals involved in automobile accidents, an automatic death penalty (on site) should be the punishment.

There's obviously nothing the police can do besides hand out some bs ticket that won't get paid.

this is my biggest problem with illegal immigration... if you are here you should be on the grid like the rest of us ;)

[soonersweetie]

not to get on a rant here, but if you are here illegally, go home. I'll pick my own crops, wash my own car and clean my own house. I'm perfectly capable. I live here in San Diego, so everything Tulsa is going through we've dealt with for many years. It is so annoying.

Keep in mind, that I say only if you are here illegally. If you are here legally, then welcome, enjoy America.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

not to get on a rant here, but if you are here illegally, go home. I'll pick my own crops, wash my own car and clean my own house. I'm perfectly capable. I live here in San Diego, so everything Tulsa is going through we've dealt with for many years. It is so annoying.

Keep in mind, that I say only if you are here illegally. If you are here legally, then welcome, enjoy America.Get ready for a showdown!

[Scott D]

not to get on a rant here, but if you are here illegally, go home. I'll pick my own crops, wash my own car and clean my own house. I'm perfectly capable. I live here in San Diego, so everything Tulsa is going through we've dealt with for many years. It is so annoying.

Keep in mind, that I say only if you are here illegally. If you are here legally, then welcome, enjoy America.

woo....preach on sister girl!

[OUDoc]

not to get on a rant here, but if you are here illegally, go home. I'll pick my own crops, wash my own car and clean my own house. I'm perfectly capable. I live here in San Diego, so everything Tulsa is going through we've dealt with for many years. It is so annoying.

Keep in mind, that I say only if you are here illegally. If you are here legally, then welcome, enjoy America.
Agree 100%.

[yermom]

of course, there is the other side of the argument that maybe it's too hard to come in legally

[Mjcpr]

of course, there is the other side of the argument that maybe it's too hard to come in legally

So.....I'm thinking it should be.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

of course, there is the other side of the argument that maybe it's too hard to come in legally

People from countries with decent governments that aren't all up on our borders don't seem to have a problem going the legal route...generally speaking.

Maybe it supposed to be hard, you know?

I'm cranky.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Dammit, Pat.

[yermom]

i just don't think it's all as black and white as some people make it out to be

maybe if there was some hope of getting in legally, they wouldn't be jumping the border in droves

besides, i need some more suckers to pay into Social Security for me so maybe i can get mine before it collapses ;)

[picasso]

of course, there is the other side of the argument that maybe it's too hard to come in legally
huh? you mean it's easier to cheat the law?

[yermom]

People from countries with decent governments that aren't all up on our borders don't seem to have a problem going the legal route...generally speaking.

Maybe it supposed to be hard, you know?

I'm cranky.

like 885's wife?

[yermom]

huh? you mean it's easier to cheat the law?

it's not?

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

They come here in droves because their own government and country succs. They're good people that just want to work and be able to live and they feel like they have no hope where they are now. It's worth the risk to them.

I understand that. I really do. So why don't we - the global community - tell Mexico to get it's act together and take better care of it's people? Maybe because we need them for their cheap labor and stuff. We're hypocrites.

I'm cranky.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

like 885's wife?

Is his wife cranky, too?

[Scott D]

They come here in droves because their own government and country succs. They're good people that just want to work and be able to live and they feel like they have no hope where they are now. It's worth the risk to them.

I understand that. I really do. So why don't we - the global community - tell Mexico to get it's act together and take better care of it's people? Maybe because we need them for their cheap labor and stuff. We're hypocrites.

I'm cranky.

nah, you are 100% accurate. We'd nip this problem in the bud by repealing child labor laws....get those kids back in the factories for 14 hours a day! :D

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Word. Some of those little bastards need to learn some discipline and what-not.

[yermom]

if they can get messicans in there illegally what keeps them from hiring little Johnny?

[Petro-Sooner]

I say we bombem

[OUDoc]

Just think how good mexican child labor must be.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Just think how good mexican child labor must be.

I'll bet it's deelishus.

[TopDaugIn2000]

HEHEHEHEHEHE

[royalfan5]

They come here in droves because their own government and country succs. They're good people that just want to work and be able to live and they feel like they have no hope where they are now. It's worth the risk to them.

I understand that. I really do. So why don't we - the global community - tell Mexico to get it's act together and take better care of it's people? Maybe because we need them for their cheap labor and stuff. We're hypocrites.

I'm cranky.
Relatively speaking Mexico does a decent job compared to much of the rest of the world. They have successfully transitioned between two different parties in a democratic election, and they have the 12th largest economy in the World. They are stable from a macroeconomic perspecitive, and are doing a good job maintaining that. If Mexico wasn't right next to the United States, they would be hailed as a Latin American success story, but we broke the curve for them. Look at it this way, Okie State has done okay when compared to your Baylor's and Mizzou's, but pale next to OU, same deal with Mexico and the United States.

[Scott D]

Relatively speaking Mexico does a decent job compared to much of the rest of the world. They have successfully transitioned between two different parties in a democratic election, and they have the 12th largest economy in the World. They are stable from a macroeconomic perspecitive, and are doing a good job maintaining that. If Mexico wasn't right next to the United States, they would be hailed as a Latin American success story, but we broke the curve for them. Look at it this way, Okie State has done okay when compared to your Baylor's and Mizzou's, but pale next to OU, same deal with Mexico and the United States.

well that's because they have the richest muh****ah in terms of net worth down there, making ole billy gates #2 on the list. ;)

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Relatively speaking Mexico does a decent job compared to much of the rest of the world. They have successfully transitioned between two different parties in a democratic election, and they have the 12th largest economy in the World. They are stable from a macroeconomic perspecitive, and are doing a good job maintaining that. If Mexico wasn't right next to the United States, they would be hailed as a Latin American success story, but we broke the curve for them. Look at it this way, Okie State has done okay when compared to your Baylor's and Mizzou's, but pale next to OU, same deal with Mexico and the United States.

Sounds like they're making progress. Awesome.

So why are they literally risking their lives trying to get here?

[picasso]

Relatively speaking Mexico does a decent job compared to much of the rest of the world. They have successfully transitioned between two different parties in a democratic election, and they have the 12th largest economy in the World. They are stable from a macroeconomic perspecitive, and are doing a good job maintaining that. If Mexico wasn't right next to the United States, they would be hailed as a Latin American success story, but we broke the curve for them. Look at it this way, Okie State has done okay when compared to your Baylor's and Mizzou's, but pale next to OU, same deal with Mexico and the United States.
are you kidding????

put the books aside and go down there and try to start a business or develop something. that place is as corrupt is they come.
I heard a real estate type say he was going to build a resort there and gave because of all of the pockets he had to grease.

[TopDaugIn2000]

all of the pockets he had to grease.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hot:

[royalfan5]

are you kidding????

put the books aside and go down there and try to start a business or develop something. that place is as corrupt is they come.
I heard a real estate type say he was going to build a resort there and gave because of all of the pockets he had to grease.
Most of the world is corrupt as they come. Take out the United States, and Western Europe and compare Mexico to the rest of the world then.

[SteelClip49]

ship all the illegals to Stoolwater. After a week there they will realize how much they miss Mexico. It could work.

[TopDaugIn2000]

So why are they literally risking their lives trying to get here?

walmart

[royalfan5]

Sounds like they're making progress. Awesome.

So why are they literally risking their lives trying to get here?
They are next to the best country in the world, why wouldn't they risk their lives to get here?

[OUDoc]

ship all the illegals to Stoolwater. After a week there they will realize how much they miss Mexico. It could work.
Didn't Mexico Joe's go out of business?

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

They are next to the best country in the world, why wouldn't they risk their lives to get here?

I dunno.

I'll go ask Canada.

BRB.

[jeremy885]

Is his wife cranky, too?


YES. Especially when she is asked at her work by an illegal if someone in the store speaks Spanish.

[Chuck Bao]

of course, there is the other side of the argument that maybe it's too hard to come in legally

Yeah! Like I can't live in my home country with the person I want live with without a marriage certificate. And, Thailand refuses to allow transvestites and post-ops to change their names from male to female, so that marriage thing is ruled out. ;)

[Tear Down This Wall]

This mindset always stupifies me...form the MSNBC article:

Fallout from federal inaction
It was Rutledge’s story of a car crash involving an apparent illegal immigrant that led MSNBC.com to Tulsa. But when we arrived we encountered a bigger pileup: the chaotic fallout of a federal framework that neither prevents illegal immigrants from entering the U.S. to work provides a way for them to gain legal status.

Why is there always this assumption that if they are here illegally that we must find a way to make them legal? To me, it's the same as saying, "Gosh, we've locked up all of these people for theft, we've got to find a way to make theft legal so they can go on with their lives."

It's just stupid. There is a legal way to gain entry to the United States. If you cannot do it that way, you shouldn't be here and should be deported back to your country of origin.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? My wife is from Mexico and came here legally. It's not easy, but it's not rocket science either.

Recently, they had a story here in Dallas about some gal who was working at a fast food place on a work visa. I'm thinking, "What?" Why are we giving work visas to people to work such common jobs. When I was growing up, my friends and classmates worked at the fast food joints. Now, you see less and less teens and more and more foreigners.

The whole thing is stupid. We have plenty of laws to prevent what has happened, but no one will stand up and simply enforce them. Enforcing laws would end the "illegal porblem."

Further, by ending the insane process of giving the most common jobs to foreigners on "work visas" we would stop robbing the young of the ability to gain work experience. How can we bitch and complain about teenagers sitting around listening to crappy music and wasting hours playing video games and surfing the 'net when we take away the opportunity for them to be out learning how to do an honest day's work?

[Petro-Sooner]

I say we bombem.

[leavingthezoo]

of course, there is the other side of the argument that maybe it's too hard to come in legally

it's not so hard that it prevents multiple immigrants from legally doing it every year. (in fact, isn't America welcoming more legal immigrants per capita than any other country in the world? i'm asking, not stating as fact.)

you know- life is hard in multitude of ways, and "it's hard" should not be valid criteria to break the law. if something is hard, work freakin' harder.

signed,
temporarily breaking from the liberal zoo.

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Okay, I asked them and they said that they didn't know what I was talking aboot and to please leave before they had to call those cops on horses with funny hats to politley escort me back to my own country.

[OklahomaTuba]

it's not so hard that it prevents multiple immigrants from legally doing it every year. (in fact, isn't America welcoming more legal immigrants per capita than any other country in the world? i'm asking, not stating as fact.)

you know- life is hard in multitude of ways, and "it's hard" should not be valid criteria to break the law. if something is hard, work freakin' harder.

signed,
temporarily breaking from the liberal zoo.

I guess I don't understand the liberal thinking on this. Being illegal in this country just opens you up to getting abused by employers. It happens all the time here.

Also, it drives down wages for many jobs, cause employers can pay these people next to nothing, and many people do.

Yet for some reasons, libz don't have a problem with this. Seems very hypocritical to me.

[Fugue]

I guess I don't understand the liberal thinking on this. Being illegal in this country just opens you up to getting abused by employers. It happens all the time here.

Also, it drives down wages for many jobs, cause employers can pay these people next to nothing, and many people do.

Yet for some reasons, libz don't have a problem with this. Seems very hypocritical to me.

I may be way off base but I think a ton of democrats are agin it.

[royalfan5]

Okay, I asked them and they said that they didn't know what I was talking aboot and to please leave before they had to call those cops on horses with funny hats to politley escort me back to my own country.
Did you at least get a complimentary 6 pack of Labatt's for your trouble?

[BlondeSoonerGirl]

Nope. But I did score a can of ketchup Pringles.

Those things RMFO.

[JohnnyMack]

Okay, I asked them and they said that they didn't know what I was talking aboot and to please leave before they had to call those cops on horses with funny hats to politley escort me back to my own country.

Did they say "aboot" and "oh-fense"?

[StoopTroup]

Can't we just plant landmines on the border?

[Petro-Sooner]

Can't we just plant landmines on the border?

See post #47.

[StoopTroup]

Landmines are the GREEN approach.

When you say bombthem....

I thought you meant from the air.

My way would use the cheap labor we get from catching the folks who are here illegaly and then teaching them to plant the mines while doing Community Service. If a mine blows up in their face you just hang them on the fence like a farmer does a coyote.

I'm kidding BTW.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Did they say "aboot" and "oh-fense"?

It's aboot juicyboot.

[phead903]

Come on up to Northwest Arkansas - it's a regular fiesta every Sunday morning at the local Wal-Marts! You can even visit a Spanish language Wal-Mart on the Rogers/Springdale border on farther north. In fact, the locals here have taken to calling Sprindale "Los Springdalos". Hey, I guess someone has to pluck those chickens for Tyson, huh?