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Okla-homey
6/27/2007, 07:08 AM
June 27, 1844: Mormon leader killed by mob

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Joseph Smith

163 years ago today, Joseph Smith, the founder and leader of the Mormon religion, is murdered along with his brother Hyrum when an anti-Mormon mob breaks into a jail where they are being held in Carthage, Illinois.

Born in Vermont in 1805, Smith was unsatisfied with extant Christian denominations and had ferevently prayed for guidance from God on which one to join. Instead, Smith claimed in 1823 that he had been visited by an angel named Moroni who spoke to him of an ancient text that had been lost for 1,500 years which contained vital information that allowed Smith the begin an entirely new sect.

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Moroni first appearing to Smith while Smith's wife Emma slumbers

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Smith later dug up the text at the spot the angel directed him to dig.

The holy text was supposedly engraved on gold plates by an ancient historian. According to the Smith, the historian was descended from Hebrew forebears of the fabled "Lost Tribe of Israel" who sailed to North America in the fourth century via Egypt. Also according to the plates, most American Indians are the descendents of these people.

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A golden statue of Moroni graces the spire of LDS temples

Smith recounted he was only able to decipher the text through the use of special spectacles which allowed him to understand its "reformed Egyptian" hieroglyphs. Unfortunately, after the plates were transcribed, both they and the special glasses were taken up to heaven, thus they no longer exist on Earth.

The gold plates related the story of Israelite peoples who had lived in America in ancient times. During the next six years, Smith dictated an English translation of this text to his wife and other scribes, and in 1830 The Book of Mormon was published. In the same year, Smith founded the Church of Christ--later known as the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" --in Fayette Township.

The religion rapidly gained converts Smith called "Saints", and Smith set up Mormon communities in Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. However, the sect was also heavily criticized for its unorthodox practices, especially polygamy. In 1844, Smith announced his candidacy for the presidency of the United States. Although he did not have great enough appeal to win, the idea of Smith as president increased anti-Mormon sentiment.

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Smith's travels

A group of dissenting Mormons began publishing a newspaper that was highly critical of the practice of polygamy and of Smith's leadership; Smith had the press destroyed. The ensuing threat of violence among the Saints prompted Smith to call out a militia in the Mormon town of Nauvoo, Illinois.

Smith was charged with treason and conspiracy by Illinois authorities and imprisoned with his brother Hyrum in the Carthage city jail. Despite Church canon that Smith willingly gave up his life like a "lamb to slaughter," historical accounts relate that Smith and his brother Hyrum were planning a jailbreak using a pistol one of Smith's followers had smuggled into the jail.

On this day in 1844, an anti-Mormon mob had gathered at the jail, probably bent on lynching the brothers. Smith shot three in an attempt to escape and the crowd returned fire shooting the brothers as the leapt from the jail window.

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Period image of the death of the Smith brothers

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The LDS Church has erected a monument to the slain Smith brothers at the jail where they died.

Two years later, Smith's successor, Brigham Young, led an exodus of persecuted Mormons from Nauvoo along the western wagon trails in search of religious and political freedom.

In July 1847, the 148 initial Mormon pioneers reached Utah's Valley of the Great Salt Lake. Upon viewing the valley, Young declared, "This is the place," and the pioneers began preparations for the tens of thousands of Mormon migrants who would follow them to settle there.

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Brigham Young photographed late in his life and featuring some of his approximately fifty wives.

If you are interested in checking out the Book of Mormon, contact a Mormon neighbor who will happily provide you a free copy.

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TUSooner
6/27/2007, 07:47 AM
I visited the Mormon room at boot camp one Sunday during church call. I could have waited for Homey's more concise version.

But I hafta say, that pic of Brigham and his wives made me think about digging my eyes out with a teaspoon.

Paperclip
6/27/2007, 11:21 AM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=2031683380

Jimminy Crimson
6/27/2007, 02:31 PM
What an ugly bunch of hussies... :eek:

I swear a couple of those 'wives' are dudes.

soonerhubs
6/27/2007, 02:53 PM
Good write up Homey.

Harry Beanbag
6/27/2007, 03:15 PM
If you are interested in checking out the Book of Mormon, contact a Mormon neighbor who will happily provide you a free copy.



In our neighborhood, you're either Mormon or you stand out in the driveway and drink beer and Jack with us cool hillbillies. We're vastly outnumbered.

PhxSooner
6/27/2007, 03:42 PM
In our neighborhood, you're either Mormon or you stand out in the driveway and drink beer and Jack with us cool hillbillies. We're vastly outnumbered.
Pffft. East Valley people.:rolleyes: :D

Taxman71
6/27/2007, 04:22 PM
I didn't know Harry S. Truman was one of Joseph Smith's wives?


(5th row, 2nd from left)

soonerhubs
6/27/2007, 04:24 PM
I didn't know Harry S. Truman was one of Joseph Smith's wives?


(5th row, 2nd from left)
Classic. Uncanny resemblance there.

jk the sooner fan
6/27/2007, 04:32 PM
Smith recounted he was only able to decipher the text through the use of special spectacles which allowed him to understand its "reformed Egyptian" hieroglyphs. Unfortunately, after the plates were transcribed, both they and the special glasses were taken up to heaven, thus they no longer exist on Earth.



hmmmm......

Petro-Sooner
6/27/2007, 04:34 PM
Kinda what I thought.

soonerhubs
6/27/2007, 04:38 PM
CRAZY to think about. A religion requires Faith. That's a hell of a concept. ;)

Dio
6/27/2007, 05:24 PM
Is the 2nd one on the top row Pat Buchanan?

Jimminy Crimson
6/27/2007, 06:03 PM
I'd hit all the Golden Girls before I would touch one of the old women pictured above... :texan:

soonerhubs
6/27/2007, 06:15 PM
I'd hit all the Golden Girls before I would touch one of the old women pictured above... :texan:
heh!

jk the sooner fan
6/27/2007, 06:35 PM
CRAZY to think about. A religion requires Faith. That's a hell of a concept. ;)

faith in god or faith in a man?

soonerhubs
6/27/2007, 06:51 PM
faith in god or faith in a man?
Are you saying the Apostle Paul can't be trusted? or Am I reading that wrong? Last time I checked, most witnesses for Christ were men.

jk the sooner fan
6/27/2007, 06:56 PM
Are you saying the Apostle Paul can't be trusted? or Am I reading that wrong? Last time I checked, most witnesses for Christ were men.

did Paul find a special book buried in the dirt only legible with special reading glasses that dont exist anymore?

or did he preach the word as passed to him directly from jesus

soonerhubs
6/27/2007, 07:04 PM
did Paul find a special book buried in the dirt only legible with special reading glasses that don't exist anymore?

or did he preach the word as passed to him directly from jesus

I suppose JK, what I'm saying is that I believe God called Joseph Smith to be a Prophet similar to other Prophets or Apostles called in the past comparable to Moses and Paul. I don't blame your skepticism, and I apologize for my flippant earlier remark.

My rationale is that it takes faith to believe God sends any of his witnesses, whether they are swallowed by a fish, parting the red sea, or, what I believe, translated an ancient record with glasses.

jk the sooner fan
6/27/2007, 07:06 PM
i get the faith thing, believe me i do.....

and i'm not "bashing" your religion, but i'm not buying it either

soonerhubs
6/27/2007, 07:07 PM
i get the faith thing, believe me i do.....

and i'm not "bashing" your religion, but i'm not buying it either

Fair enough. I completely respect that.

swardboy
6/27/2007, 08:24 PM
I'm waiting for the planet Kolob to be discovered.

Jerk
6/27/2007, 08:34 PM
One of my best friends is a Mormon.

One of the things they're taught, according to him, is to never bash someone else or belittle them because of their religious beliefs.

I think that's pretty damned cool. Not that I've practiced it myself. But if everyone did, the world would be better off.

swardboy
6/27/2007, 08:58 PM
What if the religious belief is to blow up as many non-muslims as you can so you can go to heaven fast trip? Would the world be better off to let it pass?

Just sayin' what's the logical conclusion of that reasoning....

jk the sooner fan
6/27/2007, 09:00 PM
What if the religious belief is to blow up as many non-mormons as you can so you can go to heaven fast trip?


i knew it!!!!!!!!!

swardboy
6/27/2007, 09:05 PM
And then you have the secret Baptist agenda to poison all Methodists with tainted grape juice.

Jerk
6/27/2007, 09:08 PM
What if the religious belief is to blow up as many non-muslims as you can so you can go to heaven fast trip? Would the world be better off to let it pass?

Just sayin' what's the logical conclusion of that reasoning....

They should be shot.

Octavian
6/27/2007, 09:13 PM
Last time I checked, most witnesses for Christ were men.


Yeah, but....those men were like...right and holy and stuff.


And I know that's right 'cause I've heard it all my life.

Jerk
6/27/2007, 09:15 PM
Yeah, but....those men were like...right and holy and stuff.


And I know that's right 'cause I've heard it all my life.

Actually, they were the outcasts of that society.

Octavian
6/27/2007, 09:23 PM
Actually, they were the outcasts of that society.


Yeah, I was just jokin' with him. ;)


He pointed out there wasn't much difference between Christians believing in magical tales as handed down by other men and Mormons believing in magical tales as handed down by other men.


And that one group of believers looking down on another group's magical stories doesn't make much sense.


As he said, they all require faith for them to be relevant...and that makes sense...at least to me.

Howzit
6/27/2007, 09:50 PM
did Paul find a special book buried in the dirt only legible with special reading glasses that dont exist anymore?

or did he preach the word as passed to him directly from jesus

Where do you stand on the burning-bush-whut-t'werent-consumed dealio?

;)

goingoneight
6/28/2007, 01:45 AM
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=2031683380

Dammit, beat me to it... dum-dum-dum-dum-dumb. :D

I never truly got the Mormon dealio, but I've never met a bad Mormon, they're always so nice and stuff. :pop: That sounds weird, doesn't it? Like a Mormon is an object or something.

swardboy
6/28/2007, 05:52 AM
From a pro-mormon site: http://mormonstories.org/?p=85


Teen Suicide in Utah - My Elder’s Quorum Lesson Today (http://mormonstories.org/?p=85)

April 23, 2006 on 10:00 pm | In Suicide (http://mormonstories.org/?cat=23), Mormon Culture (http://mormonstories.org/?cat=7), Mormon Stories (http://mormonstories.org/?cat=5), LDS (http://mormonstories.org/?cat=4), Mormon (http://mormonstories.org/?cat=3) | Today, Deseret News began a multi-part series on Teen Suicide in Utah. Some of the statistics were surprising to me:
Every 11 days a Utah teen commits suicide
Utah leads the nation in suicide among men 15-24
Utah has the 11th highest overall suicide rate in the nation
The Utah youth suicide rate has tripled over the last few years
Suicide is the #1 cause of death among Utah teensWhen you preach a message of don't drink tea, don't drink soft drinks, dont blah blah blah (i.e. "legalism"), you are going contrary to the spirit of the New Testament which says "You can't achieve holiness by your actions. Only the death of Jesus Christ can make you holy...it's not yours to achieve. Mormon teen suicide is the ugly little repercussion of such anti-biblical teachings. It DOES produce very nice-looking families, but the pressure to be something that only Christ can accomplish brings unbearable pressure in some of these kids lives.

Taxman71
6/28/2007, 08:57 AM
Xenu is going to banish the soul of every poster in this thread to a volcano where only Tom Cruise and John Travolta can redeem you through $2,000/hour auditing sessions. So take caution.

Vaevictis
6/28/2007, 09:22 AM
Where do you stand on the burning-bush-whut-t'werent-consumed dealio?

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"So wait. Let me get this straight. I'm supposed to free all the slaves because an unburning-burning bush said so? Are you ****ing crazy? Next you're gonna tell me that you found a golden tablet and translated it with some special glasses."

Hamhock
6/28/2007, 09:24 AM
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"So wait. Let me get this straight. I'm supposed to free all the slaves because an unburning-burning bush said so? Are you ****ing crazy? Next you're gonna tell me that you found a golden tablet and translated it with some special glasses."


why is pharoah wearing a condom on his head?

Vaevictis
6/28/2007, 09:25 AM
Clearly, Pharoah was a dickhead.

47straight
6/28/2007, 10:45 AM
One of my best friends is a Mormon.

One of the things they're taught, according to him, is to never bash someone else or belittle them because of their religious beliefs.

I think that's pretty damned cool. Not that I've practiced it myself. But if everyone did, the world would be better off.


Heh.

Thing is, I wonder sometimes if they're taught to never bash someone or belittle them for ANY thing!

SteelClip49
6/28/2007, 12:59 PM
140 years later on December 22nd, the Mormons were able to smile again.