Daily Show ragging on Gary England

[OUTromBoNado]

that none of you f'in hillbillies have posted this yet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC1UHTKrVrY

:pop:

[Soonerus]

Old news loser.....

[OKC-SLC]

seriously, was that Gary England commercial real? that's a bit frantastical.

[Soonerus]

It was a video mix.....i

[bri]

Oh, they have...you're just too cheap to see it. :D

[goingoneight]

Oregon's RB strikes again. :D

[def_lazer_fc]

that **** was so funny. sad thing is, i didn't even see it on the daily show, but channel 9 showed it. that commercial is WAY over the top. "just listen to gary england..." had me cracking up. good to see oklahoma getting recognition for something other that inhofe....although it was related.

[IronSooner]

They can't be serious. That commercial actually airs back there? Wow.

[OUTromBoNado]

Oh, they have...you're just too cheap to see it. :D

Well, excuse me if I'm not part of the uber-1337 section of teh board. I plan to be soon though.:texan:

[setem]

Yes Yes Yes that commercial airs here! That is the 1st time I really thought about how freaky it is.

Good find!

[Hatfield]

now that is some funny stuff.

he was making fun of the "scare-the-****-out-of-you" tactics employed by old gary.

i approve. :)

LISTEN TO GARY ENGLAND OR YOU WILL DIE@!@!!!!!

[Harry Beanbag]

Again?

[def_lazer_fc]

fav line: "just listen to gary."

[Soonerus]

Gary is a hick...somewhat embarrasing....

[oumartin]

I have to pass by mamas house way to often as well as the England Grocery.

I do think Oklahoma city News in general is better than 90% of the rest of the country. F John Stewart

[Turd_Ferguson]

I have to pass by mamas house way to often as well as the England Grocery.

I do think Oklahoma city News in general is better than 90% of the rest of the country. F John Stewart

Concur.

[def_lazer_fc]

I have to pass by mamas house way to often as well as the England Grocery.

I do think Oklahoma city News in general is better than 90% of the rest of the country. F John Stewart
i'll just say that all local news is pretty funny.

[SicEmBaylor]

Thank God I grew up in Green Country and was never forced to sit through a Gary England bad weather marathon.

[oumartin]

Green Country is like the worst local television! Who was that Rick dude they had on in the morning that couldn't even speak and yet somehow he was on the early morning tulsa news. he had that goofy mustache
Gary is the man!

[stoops the eternal pimp]

travis meyer owns gary england

[SicEmBaylor]

travis meyer owns gary england
He does now, but the late-great Jim Giles owns them all.

[SicEmBaylor]

Green Country is like the worst local television! Who was that Rick dude they had on in the morning that couldn't even speak and yet somehow he was on the early morning tulsa news. he had that goofy mustache
Gary is the man!
Rick Wells!? Rick Wells is fan f-ing tastic. But you're comparing apples and oranges here. We're talking about head weathermen and morning news dorks.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

rick wells Hey whats the deal...thats the only thing I know of him


And yes Jim Giles was the man...He owned all weathermen

[oumartin]

Jim Giles is deceased?

and as far as the weather.. the red head on news9 is where its really at! :D

[SicEmBaylor]

Jim Giles is deceased?

and as far as the weather.. the red head on news9 is where its really at! :D

Yes, =(

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Jim Giles is deceased?

and as far as the weather.. the red head on news9 is where its really at! :D

If i m correct it was just a few days after he retired...he had been having health issues for a while...


i cant forget Don Woods...I still got my gusty drawing

[silverwheels]

Watching the weather in the metro, regardless of the station, is like watching a Michael Bay movie.


"You're going to die, but it will look badass with these special effects!"

[critical_phil]

i can't stand to watch the local weather (or news for that matter).


that could explain why i had to spend the may 3rd tornado in the albertson's meat freezer because i ran to the store to get some steaks.

[SicEmBaylor]

I refuse to take cover unless I have verifiable proof that a tornado greater than an F1 is heading directly for me.

[OUTromBoNado]

If i m correct it was just a few days after he retired...he had been having health issues for a while...


i cant forget Don Woods...I still got my gusty drawing

Jim retired the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. His last broadcast was turning the Christmas lights on at Rhema in BA. He passed away the Wednesday before Christmas.

[Rogue]

Linkage :D :D :D (http://youtube.com/watch?v=QC1UHTKrVrY)

Inhofe:
"What would happen to the weather channel's ratings if all of the sudden people weren't scared anymore?"

[Jerk]

Wow! Some dork only wanted weathermen to be 'certified' if they walked the line on "global climate change."

Friggin' nazis. Ve must eliminate ze opposition!

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

I refuse to take cover unless I have verifiable proof that a tornado greater than an F1 is heading directly for me.You'd take cover for an F2? wuss. ;) I survived F5.

[Vaevictis]

Wow! Some dork only wanted weathermen to be 'certified' if they walked the line on "global climate change."

Friggin' nazis. Ve must eliminate ze opposition!

Meh. The dork in question, if it's the dork I'm thinking of, is Heidi Cullen, and if that's the case, reading what she wrote instead of just going off what someone said someone else said she said might be a good idea:



(...)
I'd like to take that suggestion a step further. If a meteorologist has an AMS Seal of Approval, which is used to confer legitimacy to TV meteorologists, then meteorologists have a responsibility to truly educate themselves on the science of global warming. (One good resource if you don't have a lot of time is the Pew Center's Climate Change 101.)

Meteorologists are among the few people trained in the sciences who are permitted regular access to our living rooms. And in that sense, they owe it to their audience to distinguish between solid, peer-reviewed science and junk political controversy. If a meteorologist can't speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn't give them a Seal of Approval. (...)


That's not quite the same as, "toe the line or yank certification."

Now, she may be thinking that, who knows? But it's not what she wrote. And more importantly, she's been pilloried for writing something that is right.

[sooner_born_1960]

Since she specifically mentioned Pew Center's Climate Change 101, I'd say Jerk was spot on correct.

[Petro-Sooner]

I've noticed Gary has toned down the "sky is falling" weather reports. Just a tad though. They seem to be the first to go back to programming. The biggest chicken littles are still Rick Mitchell and Mike Morgan. I'll never forget Rick breaking in to report that there are no severe storms in the viewing are but they have moved into the tulsa area. WTF?? You breakin to tell us the storms are not around us? couldnt wait for a commercial? :rolleyes:

[Boomer_Sooner_sax]

When I interned at an OKC Station, we called Gary England "Scary Gary" because he would use scare tactics. The sad thing is they are competing with each other and are at the mercy of the news directors. As long as one stays on, the others "have to" in the eyes of the news directors. It is really sad though because in reality, most of them would rather not spend 4 hours straight on TV for nothing. In this market, he weather is the ratings maker and the more sensational, the better...remember, news directors are story writers.

[Petro-Sooner]

Or back when we had the big Ice Death Storm 2007 in Jaunary or when ever. The "behind the scene" look. Showing what the set looked like as the weather man walked from the weather booth to an outside door to show that it was actually sleeting outside. Not neccisary.

[TopDaugIn2000]

growing up I had to listen to the Ft. Smith station that had that guy that got addicted to pain killers and had a stroke so half of his face sags when he talks and smiles. CREEPY I SAY. JUST CREEPY. Needless to say, I'm NOT a local weather station watcher.

[bri]

Meh. The dork in question, if it's the dork I'm thinking of, is Heidi Cullen, and if that's the case, reading what she wrote instead of just going off what someone said someone else said she said might be a good idea:



That's not quite the same as, "toe the line or yank certification."

Now, she may be thinking that, who knows? But it's not what she wrote. And more importantly, she's been pilloried for writing something that is right.

Meh, source material and logic only makes 'em madder.

[Stoop Dawg]

That's not quite the same as, "toe the line or yank certification."

But if they spent all that time looking into scientific matters, how would they find time to make sensational ad spots and to learn how to use the latest Doppler 9 Billion?

[SoonerFrog]

Wow! Some dork only wanted weathermen to be 'certified' if they walked the line on "global climate change."

Friggin' nazis. Ve must eliminate ze opposition!

Yeah, that seems totally communist - like making doctors learn the facts about medicine before taking the hippocratic oath.

[GrapevineSooner]

Frog,

I'd say there's a difference between learning proven facts versus forcing somebody to adopt something that as of yet is unproven as to it's existence, the scope of it's existence if it does indeed exist, and what can be realistically done to combat the problem if it does indeed exist.

[SicEmBaylor]

Not all doctors take the Hippocratic oath either. D.O.'s have a different oath thing, I believe.

[sooner_born_1960]

And a TV station isn't going to hire or fire a weatherperson because of his ability/inability to gain the AMS seal of approval.

[bri]

What's next, Good Housekeeping withholding the Seal Of Approval from household products that don't support the theory of evolution?

[sooner_born_1960]

Exactly.

[SicEmBaylor]

In a place like Oklahoma, the weather guys (at least the director/anchor) should probably be certified. Now, if you're some place like Bunghole, Idaho where you don't get a lot of violent storms and weather phenomena that other parts of the country get then it shouldn't matter a hill of beans who gets up and says it'll be 105 today.

[SicEmBaylor]

Also, David Letterman was a weatherman.

[mdklatt]

something that as of yet is unproven as to it's existence

You need to get with the denialist program. All but the most hard-core flat earthers (e.g. James Inhofe) have finally acknowledged that global warming is happening. Here are some current denalist talking points for you, as approved by the fossil fuel industry:

There is no proof whatsoever [except for hundreds of peer-reviewed studies and simulations, not to mention principles of chemistry and physics] that CO2 is causing the warming.

Climate models ignore water vapor [not true at all], which is the most important greenhouse gas [not true in the context of climate change]. Besides, how can you believe a 50-year temperature forecast when they can't even tell us what the weather will be next week ?

There could be lots of natural causes, like increased solar ouput [even though solar output hasn't changed significantly in the past 50 years], natural climate cycles [none of which can explain the timing, or more significantly, the rate of warming], or something we don't yet understand [gotta keep sowing the seeds of doubt]. Bonus points if you mention Richard Lindzen's [disproven] "iris effect", or the correlation of cosmic rays and clouds [for which there is no conceivable physical connection].

Even it is the CO2 [leave yourself some wiggle room for when you change your position again], it can't be proven that the CO2 isn't coming from volcanoes [no increased activity to explain more CO2 emissions] or some other natural cause [except for isotopic analyses which show that the burning of fossil fuels is responsible the increased carbon levels]. Besides, temperature increases create higher CO2 concentrations [true, and all the more reason to worry], not the other way around [absolutely not true; temperature and CO2 have a postive feedback relationship].

Even if [more wiggle room] global warming is anthropogenic , we don't know what the end result will be [true--it might be bad, or it might be...really bad], or if we can do anything about it [so keep buying fossil fuels like they're going out of style]. Furthermore, how can we know that the climate we have now is the ideal climate [maybe 10,000 years of human civilization [i]can be wrong]?

When all fails, pull out the denialist trump card: AL GORE AL GORE AL GORE AL GORE AL GORE.

[Petro-Sooner]

[so keep buying fossil fuels like they're going out of style].

Listen to him people. He knows what hes talking about.

[Jerk]

Listen to him people. He knows what hes talking about.
Yeah, and they will. It's not like they're so concerned that they're selling their cars and riding bicycles everywhere.

There is opposition to 'man-made global warming theory' and if there weren't, then the leftists wouldn't be trying to silence them.

[bri]

Who's trying to silence anyone? All Dr. Cullen is suggesting that a simple seal be withheld.

It's not like we're saying anyone needs to be rounded up and shot over it.

[TMcGee86]

Yes, =(

dang, did not know that. You are correct, he pwned them all.


My fifth grade math teacher was Mrs. Giles, I always wondered if she was his mom.

[Jerk]

Who's trying to silence anyone? All Dr. Cullen is suggesting that a simple seal be withheld.

It's not like we're saying anyone needs to be rounded up and shot over it.
If they say a weatherman should take a course in global climate change then I understand because global climate change is always happening. If they're saying that a weatherman must believe in man-made global climate change to get the seal, then they are very much silencing the opposition.

Or, at least they're trying.

The seal might not really mean jack sh**. Or it might mean if you don't have it, you can't get a job, even if you're a pro at making 7 day weather forecasts. These guys at the National Weather Service are trained to give airline pilots the information they need to safely fly an airplane today or tomorrow, or predict tornado out-breaks for the public. To take a weatherman who is good at doing this and deny him a seal which could slow down his career would be just .. I don't know...snarky.

If I were a pilot, I wouldn't give a sh** if the weatherguy believed in man made global warming or not. I just want him to be able to tell me that I'm not going to fly my Cessna 150 into a friggin Hurricane.

[thenotman]

I wonder why Val didn't make a guest apperance in the commercial?

[picasso]

Rick Wells!? Rick Wells is fan f-ing tastic. But you're comparing apples and oranges here. We're talking about head weathermen and morning news dorks.
his porn stache is no more.

[bri]

If they say a weatherman should take a course in global climate change then I understand because global climate change is always happening. If they're saying that a weatherman must believe in man-made global climate change to get the seal, then they are very much silencing the opposition.

Or, at least they're trying.

Hmmm.


I'd like to take that suggestion a step further. If a meteorologist has an AMS Seal of Approval, which is used to confer legitimacy to TV meteorologists, then meteorologists have a responsibility to truly educate themselves on the science of global warming. (One good resource if you don't have a lot of time is the Pew Center's Climate Change 101.)

Meteorologists are among the few people trained in the sciences who are permitted regular access to our living rooms. And in that sense, they owe it to their audience to distinguish between solid, peer-reviewed science and junk political controversy. If a meteorologist can't speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn't give them a Seal of Approval.

Help me where the actual source material in question says ANYTHING like what you infer. Help me out, man, 'cause I don't see it.

[mdklatt]

IThese guys at the National Weather Service are trained to give airline pilots the information they need to safely fly an airplane today or tomorrow, or predict tornado out-breaks for the public. To take a weatherman who is good at doing this and deny him a seal which could slow down his career would be just .. I don't know...snarky.

As far as I know, the AMS seal of approval is only for TV guys...and even then it only means as much as you want it to mean.




If I were a pilot, I wouldn't give a sh** if the weatherguy believed in man made global warming or not. I just want him to be able to tell me that I'm not going to fly my Cessna 150 into a friggin Hurricane.

If you were a patient, would give a sh** if your doctor denied that smoking is bad for you and cited studies from RJ Reynolds to "prove" it? It may not effect the care he gives you one bit if you're not a smoker, but it certainly calls his critical thinking skills and motives into question.

[King Crimson]

let's see who remember this from old school tor-nay-duh PSA'a: LISTEN FOR THE ROAR.

[picasso]

I think it's very important when we know there's a rain shower in Preston.

[Harry Beanbag]

If you were a patient, would give a sh** if your doctor denied that smoking is bad for you and cited studies from RJ Reynolds to "prove" it? It may not effect the care he gives you one bit if you're not a smoker, but it certainly calls his critical thinking skills and motives into question.


I know man made global warming is your baby, but this is a stretch. You've said it yourself: global warming is climate change, isolated storms and daily temperatures are weather. Most people look to their weatherman for the daily or weekly weather, not end of the planet theories. That's what we have all these climatologists coming out of the woodwork for.

As an aside, I've heard that the percentage of health care workers who smoke is higher than the average population. I'm not looking it up, so who knows if that is actually true or not.

[picasso]

I wonder how many weathermen are riding bicycles to work every day.

[mdklatt]

You've said it yourself: global warming is climate change, isolated storms and daily temperatures are weather. Most people look to their weatherman for the daily or weekly weather, not end of the planet theories. That's what we have all these climatologists coming out of the woodwork for.

If somebody in any scientific field is going to ignore what the overwhelming majority of the the world's experts (in any other scientific field) are telling him and instead latch onto the easily discredited arguments of contrarians who are by and large funded by vested interests, I'm going to have a problem with that. I would be just as skeptical of a doctor who doesn't think global warming is real as I would be about a climatologist who thinks smoking is good for you. It has nothing to do with the subject matter, but the thought processes of the person involved.



As an aside, I've heard that the percentage of health care workers who smoke is higher than the average population. I'm not looking it up, so who knows if that is actually true or not.

But do they think smoking is good for you?

[Jerk]

If somebody in any scientific field is going to ignore what the overwhelming majority of the the world's experts (in any other scientific field) are telling him and instead latch onto the easily discredited arguments of contrarians who are by and large funded by vested interests, I'm going to have a problem with that. I would be just as skeptical of a doctor who doesn't think global warming is real as I would be about a climatologist who thinks smoking is good for you. It has nothing to do with the subject matter, but the thought processes of the person involved.



But do they think smoking is good for you?


I understand temptation to live in a world where everyone thinks alike.

But it just ain't going to happen.

[bri]

Yeah, agreeing and stuff is the suck.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I don't really care why the weather is the way it is...I just want to know what the hell is happening really. I mean what the hell does global warming have to do with whether I should wear shorts or jeans.....other than I will be wearing shorts more often...

[Harry Beanbag]

If somebody in any scientific field is going to ignore what the overwhelming majority of the the world's experts (in any other scientific field) are telling him and instead latch onto the easily discredited arguments of contrarians who are by and large funded by vested interests, I'm going to have a problem with that. I would be just as skeptical of a doctor who doesn't think global warming is real as I would be about a climatologist who thinks smoking is good for you. It has nothing to do with the subject matter, but the thought processes of the person involved.

I suppose that's your prerogative, but it seems you may be in for a long frustrating life if you dismiss everyone who doesn't agree with you as inferior or ignorant.




But do they think smoking is good for you?

I've never heard anybody say that, much less a doctor.

[Harry Beanbag]

I don't really care why the weather is the way it is...I just want to know what the hell is happening really. I mean what the hell does global warming have to do with whether I should wear shorts or jeans.....other than I will be wearing shorts more often...


That's the upside that the true believers seem to be missing, women in shorts more often. :)

[Kels]

NPR just did a big thing on severe weather and OKC. They talked about the ongoing rivalry between Morgan and England. Mike kept saying it was "unconscionable" to call for severe weather warnings before the NWS issues one. Gary said he's been doing this for 35 years, and he's not going to stop helping Oklahomans stay safe. Mike said that they have a half dozen people and $500,000 worth of equipment, and the NWS has 100 people and over $3 million worth of equipment. He's not going to call for a warning before they do. NPR went on to say that nationally, Gary is seen as a god-like figure in severe weather circles.

It's was pretty funny.

[OUTromBoNado]

As far as the AMS Seal of Approval goes, if they want to withhold from someone because they don't know enough about and/or agree with the current stance on climate change, so what? The Seal of Approval is going out the door. It's been replaced by the CBM...Certified Broadcast Meteorologist. To get the CBM, you have to take a fairly difficult written examination (along with some other tapes of your work, and some other stuff). All they have to do is include questions on climate change in that test, and it will force the applicants to study up on it.

I do take a bit of an issue with that test though. They include questions about earthquakes, volcanoes, and other info from semi-advanced, a little-past-high school-level Earth Science. I am not of the opinion that the meteorologist should have to act as the "station scientist." If a station's meteorologist knew about that stuff, fine. But, I wouldn't want to be depended on for an interview about those topics because that's not what my expertise is.

:les: DAMMIT, JIM! I'M A METEOROLOGIST, NOT AN [insert other science here]-OLOGIST!

FYI, this stuff with Dr. Cullen all got started because a TV meteorologist in D.C. was interviewed by a D.C. newspaper about global warming. When asked about some of the questions he responded with something to the effect of, "You know, I've been trying to keep on the latest publications and literature surrounding global warming, but I don't really feel like I know enough about the current research to give a good answer."

Now tell me, what the hell is wrong that? He didn't want to give out false or misldeading information, so he basically said that he was still trying to find out, too. I mean, I'm a meteorologist, but I couldn't explain the inner workings of hurricane forecasting or the climatology of central Argentina. That's not my field of expertise.

[mdklatt]

FYI, this stuff with Dr. Cullen all got started because a TV meteorologist in D.C. was interviewed by a D.C. newspaper about global warming. When asked about some of the questions he responded with something to the effect of, "You know, I've been trying to keep on the latest publications and literature surrounding global warming, but I don't really feel like I know enough about the current research to give a good answer."


If that's what she got upset about, that's a bunch of crap. Saying you don't know is far better than pulling something out of your ***.

[Jerk]

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that there would be an enormous difference in short term local weather forecasts for the next 7 days and long-term global climate change predictions over a period of the next 100 years.

[mdklatt]

NPR just did a big thing on severe weather and OKC. They talked about the ongoing rivalry between Morgan and England. Mike kept saying it was "unconscionable" to call for severe weather warnings before the NWS issues one.

Mike Morgan reserves his hyperbole for his forecasts. :rolleyes:

[mdklatt]

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that there would be an enormous difference in short term local weather forecasts for the next 7 days and long-term global climate change predictions over a period of the next 100 years.

And you would be right.

[OUTromBoNado]

If that's what she got upset about, that's a bunch of crap. Saying you don't know is far better than pulling something out of your ***.

That's what the real thing is about. Cullen commented that he could have just given the AMS's official statement about global climate change, which acknowledges that's happening, and that we need more research...whether he agrees with that statement (or even knew about it) is another issue that wasn't even brought up.

Cullen basically went on to say that if you can't give you own statement on global warming (because you don't know enough about it) and can't just spout off the AMS official statement, then perhaps you shouldn't have a seal or should have it revoked. Because, after all, you're a member of the AMS, so shouldn't you automatically have to fall in line with their statement?

There's a whole host of issues with what Cullen said in response to the guy in D.C.'s interview. IMO, it basically amounts to Cullen being full of crap. Like you said, in science, it's always better to say you don't know than pull something out of your a$$ that might be false or misleading. In some fields, doing that can get people hurt.

[Jerk]

Hmmm.



Help me where the actual source material in question says ANYTHING like what you infer. Help me out, man, 'cause I don't see it.
I think it says exactly what I infer.


She's saying if you don't believe in man-made global warming, then you should have no credibility as a meteorologist. The 'junk political controversy' is the key phrase here. That's the opposition. That's referring to any meteorologists who is either unsure, undecided, or against the theory of man-made global warming. Everyone must be in lock-step agreement, or you're not 'sealed' and you have no credibility, no matter how good you are at short-term weather forecasts, which is what TV meteorologists do. They aren't climatologists. I know I'm just a truck driver, but it seems to me that there is a huge difference between these two sciences.

I think opposition is good for just about anything, especially this, considering that many will tell us that we need to adopt a bunch of policies that wreck economies, destroy human freedom, and give more power to governments to tell us how to live our daily lives. That's my theory on this...they want more power over you and over me. After 'they' tell you that you don't 'need' a 5.2 liter V8, don't expect them to give up their Jets and Limos. I promise you, they won't.

[47straight]

...talked about the ongoing rivalry between Morgan and England. Mike kept saying it was "unconscionable" to call for severe weather warnings before the NWS issues one. Gary said he's been doing this for 35 years, and he's not going to stop helping Oklahomans stay safe. Mike said that they have a half dozen people and $500,000 worth of equipment, and the NWS has 100 people and over $3 million worth of equipment. He's not going to call for a warning before they do. NPR went on to say that nationally, Gary is seen as a god-like figure in severe weather circles.



So Mike Morgan - a guy in the private weather biz - thinks we should leave it up to the guv'ment? Is he that far behind England that he wants to level the playing field to be just dress up the computer voice of the NWS? You know, where it sounds like stephen hawking is telling you go to the cellar?

And I thought competition was supposed to be good.

I guess next time that Morgan has a spotter in the field eyeing a funnel in the air, he's gonna wait until he gets the official word from the NWS that there is a tornado warning before he tells people in the path to get their *** below ground?

What a maroon.

[Jerk]

So Mike Morgan - a guy in the private weather biz - thinks we should leave it up to the guv'ment? Is he that far behind England that he wants to level the playing field to be just dress up the computer voice of the NWS? You know, where it sounds like stephen hawking is telling you go to the cellar?

And I thought competition was supposed to be good.

I guess next time that Morgan has a spotter in the field eyeing a funnel in the air, he's gonna wait until he gets the official word from the NWS that there is a tornado warning before he tells people in the path to get their *** below ground?

What a maroon.
I always believed that they doubled the size of the NWS-issued tornado watches for ratings.

To most of us, it ain't no big deal and we go on with our lives. But some people, especially mothers and mother-in-laws tend to FREAK OUT and stay glued to the TV thinking that their death is imminent.

[OUTromBoNado]

To most of us, it ain't no big deal and we go on with our lives. But some people, especially mothers and mother-in-laws tend to FREAK OUT and stay glued to the TV thinking that their death is imminent.

And this, my friends, is what helps pay my salary.:texan: :hot:

[King Crimson]

all i know is the PSA that included "LISTEN FOR THE ROAR" is etched in my mind forever.

the weather Oklahoma terrorists have won at my elementary school fear madrasa.