View Full Version : I was pondering a RATM song today
I really dig their music. They're super talented, but unfortunately, also super communist.
They have this song that goes "Some of those who work forces, are the same who burn crosses." Do you ever think that they think about our police force compared to other countries? Sure, we've had segregation, slavery, and all sorts of bad things in the past, but even so, our cops are no where near as bad as, say, the Soviet NKVD was. You could be executed for simply being a political dissenter. Why do these types of "hate-America" people always seem to not know or acknowledge this?
Funny thing about the NKVD is that alot of them were executed in the purges. This is what happens to useful idiots.
My Dad went to SE Asia in the late 90's on business and was panhandled by a little kid. The local police "caught" the kid and started beating him senseless with a cane. Point is, why is it that our country is always seen as "the bad guy"? I think it's because "we have," and they "have not."
I have no idea if they are super communist or not...or even that they are "hate america" types.
But I will say that, in general, artists comment on the problems they see in front of them, which typically tend to be the problems in their own backyard. As great as this country is, we do have our fair share of problems...some obvious, some not so obvious...many with origins in our troubled history. I think it would be a little bit dishonest for an American artist to talk about the problems in other countries...especially if they haven't been there.
In all honesty, I think that artists do us a great service when they highlight problems that exist in our own backyard. Shedding light on those problems ought not to be taken as "hating on the country", or at least I don't take it that way, and should maybe be taken instead as a plea for a solution to the problems we do have.
Regardless of how much better off we are than other countries, I think we should always strive to be better than we are now.
But thats just my 2 cents.
These guys may still be commie pinkos for all I know, but then again, artists are typically a lot better at identifying problems than they are at finding solutions. If they were able to find solutions, they'd have more stable jobs.
Why do you think that 90% of the music artists and songwriters are to the left, politically? Do you think it's genetics? ie, creative people tend to think with the same side of their brain that lends to liberal kind-of-thinking.
Why do you think that 90% of the music artists and songwriters are to the left, politically? Do you think it's genetics? ie, creative people tend to think with the same side of their brain that lends to liberal kind-of-thinking.
Why? Because 90% of the domestic problems we have in this country are "lefty" issues. Rightys today tend to think that markets will solve all social problems and then don't pay any attention to whether or not they actually are solving those problems.
Thats why, IMHO.
Why? Because 90% of the domestic problems we have in this country are "lefty" issues. Rightys today tend to think that markets will solve all social problems and then don't pay any attention to whether or not they actually are solving those problems.
Thats why, IMHO.
This is what cracks me up. You can easily turn this around and say "Lefties today tend to think that GOVERNMENT will solve all social problems even though it has a dismal record of failure.
Did you know that over 100 million people were killed by their own government last century?
mdklatt
6/1/2007, 06:14 PM
Did you know that over 100 million people were killed by their own government last century?
How many lives were saved by their own government last century? That number is going to be incalcuable.
This is what cracks me up. You can easily turn this around and say "Lefties today tend to think that GOVERNMENT will solve all social problems even though it has a dismal record of failure.
Thats certainly true. There's not a single institution in the world that has a good track record of solving societal ills. However, government is often first turned to simply because it usually has the power to do so.
How many lives were saved by their own government last century? That number is going to be incalcuable.
Yeah, when the government doesn't kill their own populace because "the ends justifies the means," then they are doing well.
I just wonder how far radical liberals like Soros want to go. Do they want to re-distribute ALL property and wealth? If 2 people live in a large house, will they come one day and say "This house is too big for just two people, so we're going to have people move in with you." I really wonder if they believe in private property rights. I don't think they do, but they won't come out and say it. I also think they'd love to stop Christian parents from sending their kids to church in the name of "Children's rights." These two things will come later in our lifetimes. It's too radical to do now, but it will come. I've made up my mind what I'm going to do. I think we're in for non-stop socialism. I think it will be a police state where they dictate our day to day lives. The day will soon come where you cannot pay a doctor to perform a medical service for you, and if you do and get caught, you will go to jail. That was in Hillary's plan back in 1993. Individual rights will be thrown in the trash for collective rights. It's coming. I'd rather die first. But artists and actors love it.
mdklatt
6/1/2007, 06:23 PM
I just wonder how far radical liberals like Soros want to go. Do they want to re-distribute ALL property and wealth? If 2 people live in a large house, will they come one day and say "This house is too big for just two people, so we're going to have people move in with you." I really wonder if they believe in private property rights. I don't think they do, but they won't come out and say it. I also think they'd love to stop Christian parents from sending their kids to church in the name of "Children's rights." These two things will come later in our lifetimes. It's too radical to do now, but it will come. I've made up my mind what I'm going to do. I think we're in for non-stop socialism. I think it will be a police state where they dictate our day to day lives. The day will soon come where you cannot pay a doctor to perform a medical service for you, and if you do and get caught, you will go to jail. That was in Hillary's plan back in 1993. Individual rights will be thrown in the trash for collective rights. It's coming. I'd rather die first.
I know of some land in Idaho you might interested in....
I know of some land in Idaho you might interested in....
Is this where an FBI sniper shot a woman in the head while she was holding a baby?
Thanks for making my point. Too bad she wasn't black or latino, then maybe the ACLU would have got into the fight and Lon Horiuchi would be in jail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi
Yeah, when the government doesn't kill their own populace because "the ends justifies the means," then they are doing well.
I just wonder how far liberals want to go. Do they want to re-distribute ALL property and wealth? If 2 people live in a large house, will they come one day and say "This house is too big for just two people, so we're going to have people move in with you." I really wonder if they believe in private property rights. I don't think they do, but they won't come out and say it. I also think they'd love to stop Christian parents from sending their kids to church in the name of "Children's rights." These two things will come later in our lifetimes. It's too radical to do now, but it will come. I've made up my mind what I'm going to do. I think we're in for non-stop socialism. I think it will be a police state where they dictate our day to day lives. The day will soon come where you cannot pay a doctor to perform a medical service for you, and if you do and get caught, you will go to jail. That was in Hillary's plan back in 1993. Individual rights will be thrown in the trash for collective rights. It's coming. I'd rather die first.
Depends on the liberal. I consider myself a liberal but but I certainly don't want to do any of the things you mention. or even get close to them.
What changes would I like to see then? I'd like a decent "safety net" national health plan that gets the kid from a poor family into the doctor for regular basic care. I'd like to see the notion of "equality of opportunity" become a reality in this country...the fact of the matter now is that if you are boorn poor, you are much more likely to remain poor, and if you are born rich, you are much more likely to stay rich. I don't want to re-distribute anything. I want everyone to have the same opportunity to go and get their share. While we are certainly closer to that point here than a lot of countries are, we are still a long ways away from it.
Newbomb Turk
6/1/2007, 06:30 PM
I think some of you worry about politics too much.
Depends on the liberal. I consider myself a liberal but but I certainly don't want to do any of the things you mention. or even get close to them.
What changes would I like to see then? I'd like a decent "safety net" national health plan that gets the kid from a poor family into the doctor for regular basic care. I'd like to see the notion of "equality of opportunity" become a reality in this country...the fact of the matter now is that if you are boorn poor, you are much more likely to remain poor, and if you are born rich, you are much more likely to stay rich. I don't want to re-distribute anything. I want everyone to have the same opportunity to go and get their share. While we are certainly closer to that point here than a lot of countries are, we are still a long ways away from it.
Come on, man. Can't you do better? That was almost boring. I read that, and I was like, "there's nothing here to hate or fear"
I think some of you worry about politics too much.
I don't think of it in terms of 'politics.'
I think, "what do these motherf**rs want to do now?"
47straight
6/1/2007, 06:40 PM
I didn't understand RATM until I went to work for a corporation.
def_lazer_fc
6/1/2007, 06:42 PM
Come on, man. Can't you do better? That was almost boring. I read that, and I was like, "there's nothing here to hate or fear"
ok....so...we want to make abortion mandatory too. and force everyone to throw 20% of their earnings into a magical bucket. after said bucket is full, we will fly it from a plane and randomly dump out the contents to various areas. its sorta like the trickle down theory, but, you know...with a bucket. scared now?
Widescreen
6/1/2007, 06:44 PM
When all an artist does is bash on America, I don't think they're simply pointing out societal ills. They just hate America. This is especially evident when they are simply repeating what other leftist artists has said hundreds of times previously. They're pretty easy to pick out. Which is why I'm glad I'm still free to listen to what I want to listen to.
ok....so...we want to make abortion mandatory too. and force everyone to throw 20% of their earnings into a magical bucket. after said bucket is full, we will fly it from a plane and randomly dump out the contents to various areas. its sorta like the trickle down theory, but, you know...with a bucket. scared now?
I was thinking more along the lines of..."We'd like to take 50% of your earnings and give it to people who don't work, give your 12 year old daughter the right to an abortion without your consent or knowledge, take your guns, burn your bibles, and confiscate your land because we found an endangered snail on the premises"
def_lazer_fc
6/1/2007, 06:46 PM
a lot of bands go out of their way to show you how political they are. and those bands are lame cuz it all fills forced.
def_lazer_fc
6/1/2007, 06:48 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of..."We'd like to take 50% of your earnings and give it to people who don't work, give your 12 year old daughter the right to an abortion without your consent or knowledge, take your guns, burn your bibles, and confiscate your land because we found an endangered snail on the premises"
dude, if your daughter even has to think about an abortion at age 12, then it wouldn't be the liberals i'd be outraged at.
and yes, confiscating your land b/c of an endangered snail would be on the agenda. my mistake for leaving it out.
dude, if your daughter even has to think about an abortion at age 12, then it wouldn't be the liberals i'd be outraged at.
and yes, confiscating your land b/c of an endangered snail would be on the agenda. my mistake for leaving it out.
I don't have any kids, but if I did and one had an abortion, I'd like to at least know about it.
def_lazer_fc
6/1/2007, 07:05 PM
true. my only concern about this is abusive parents. and you can't say they don't exist. its a tricky situation to address in my opinion. but i dont think anyone is advocating abortions at age 12.
Frozen Sooner
6/1/2007, 07:43 PM
I am.
But to be performed on the 12-year-old.
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