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Okla-homey
5/30/2007, 06:30 AM
May 30, 1431: St. Joan of Arc is martyred at Rouen

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Joan's image has been the source of inspiration and nationalist fervor for a very long time. This WWI American poster was produced to inspire American women to buy war bonds.

576 years ago, in this day in 1431, Jeanne d'Arc, called the Maid of Orléans, national heroine and patron saint of France, was burned at the stake by her English captors. Joan had who united the nation at a critical hour and decisively turned the Hundred Years' War in France's favor.

Joan was born of peasant parentage in Domrémy (now Domrémy-la-Pucelle). When she was 13 years old, she believed she heard celestial voices. As they continued, sometimes accompanied by visions, she became convinced that they belonged to St. Michael and to the early martyrs St. Catherine of Alexandria and St. Margaret (255?–75).

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Joan listening to voices.

Early in 1429, during the Hundred Years' War, when the English forces were about to capture Orléans, the “voices” exhorted her to help the Dauphin, later Charles VII, king of France. Charles, because of both internal strife and the English claim to the throne of France, had not yet been crowned king.

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A gold covered equestrian statue of Joan in Paris

Joan succeeded in convincing him that she had a divine mission to save France. A board of theologians approved her claims, and she was given troops to command. Dressed in armor and carrying a white banner that represented God blessing the French royal emblem, the fleur-de-lis, she led the French to a decisive victory over the English. At the subsequent coronation of the Dauphin in the cathedral at Reims, she was given the place of honor beside the king.

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Before leaving for Orléans, Joan of Arc got two banners made for her by a painter in Tours, Hauves Poulnoir. The smaller one was burned accidentally upon arrival in Orléans. The larger one disappeared upon Joan's capture in Compiègne by the Bourguignons, and was never seen by Pierre Cauchon who asked Joan to describe it during the trial.

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Joan at the coronation of Charles VII

Although Joan had united the French behind Charles and had put an end to English dreams of hegemony over France, Charles opposed any further campaigns against the English. Therefore, it was without royal support that Joan conducted (1430) a military operation against the English at Compiègne, near Paris.

She was captured by Burgundian soldiers, who sold her to their English allies. The English then turned her over to an ecclesiastical court at Rouen to be tried for heresy and sorcery. After 14 months of interrogation, she was accused of wrongdoing in wearing masculine dress (pants) and of heresy for believing she was directly responsible to God rather than to the Roman Catholic church.

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Joan under interrogation by a French cardinal

The court condemned her to death, but she penitently confessed her errors, and the sentence was commuted to life imprisonment. Because she resumed masculine dress after returning to jail, she was condemned again—this time by a secular court—and, on May 30, 1431, Joan was burned at the stake in the Old Market Square at Rouen as a relapsed heretic. See, in the fifteenth century, women who didn't wear the church-approved feminine style dress were subject to execution. As an aside, 500 years after Joan's execution, the West has moved on, but clerics and ecclesiastical courts still wield comparable power in some Islamic regions.

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Ingrid Bergmann played Joan in probably the best movie of the dozens made about the heroine.

Twenty-five years after her death, the church retried her case, and she was pronounced innocent. In 1920 she was canonized by Pope Benedict XV; her traditional feast day is May 30.

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St Joan's statue in the cathedral of Notre Dame d'Paris

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Jerk
5/30/2007, 06:36 AM
Twenty-five years after her death, the church retried her case, and she was pronounced innocent.

Doh!!

soonerhubs
5/30/2007, 06:57 AM
Too bad the PR department didn't see that coming soon enough to save her life eh? ;)

TUSooner
5/30/2007, 09:28 AM
Was she hawt?


I'm so sorry.

TUSooner
5/30/2007, 09:31 AM
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We got th'other one 'zactly like it in New Orleans. I seen 'em both, in person like.
Just sayin.

Jerk
5/30/2007, 09:35 AM
So...the only way to get the french to fight for their own country is to have a woman lead them into battle?

stoopified
5/30/2007, 10:35 AM
Doh!!
DNA? :)

XingTheRubicon
5/30/2007, 12:00 PM
So...the only way to get the french to fight for their own country is to have a woman lead them into battle?

That or George Bush.


Wait, you said fight for your own country, nevermind.

47straight
5/30/2007, 07:28 PM
The crappiness of a british ecclesiastical court should have been fair warning of the troubles ahead.

Okla-homey
5/30/2007, 07:46 PM
The crappiness of a british ecclesiastical court should have been fair warning of the troubles ahead.

Dang skippy. Joan screwed the pooch when she went out again after Charles had his crown. His Majesty was afraid she was becoming more popular than him. Thus, proving the time-honored and near universal proposition that the boss won't abide being outshone by a subordinate.

SicEmBaylor
5/30/2007, 08:49 PM
I saw the site she was burned at a few years ago. They've constructed a church just next to the site that is designed to look like flames coming up from the ground. Pretty cool and somewhat weird.

Rogue
5/31/2007, 07:39 AM
So...the only way to get the french to fight for their own country is to have a woman lead them into battle?

Today if someone claimed to hear these voices, they'd get medication instead of a brigade of troops.

Interesting that the church was similar to the king in that they didn't want to be outshone by God. Her heresy was to claim her oath to God instead of the church. Not bad for a chick that heard voices and :eek: wore pantaloons.

Okla-homey
5/31/2007, 08:30 AM
Today if someone claimed to hear these voices, they'd get medication instead of a brigade of troops.

Interesting that the church was similar to the king in that they didn't want to be outshone by God. Her heresy was to claim her oath to God instead of the church. Not bad for a chick that heard voices and :eek: wore pantaloons.

And although a French teenager couldn't get it done, a German monk named Martin sealed the deal. :D

OUDoc
5/31/2007, 08:44 AM
Today if someone claimed to hear these voices, they'd get medication instead of a brigade of troops.

They're called Schizophrenics nowadays.

47straight
5/31/2007, 02:17 PM
Interesting that the church was similar to the king in that they didn't want to be outshone by God. Her heresy was to claim her oath to God instead of the church. Not bad for a chick that heard voices and :eek: wore pantaloons.

Except that's not what happened, unfortunately for Homey's pro-anglo/protestant revision.

Frozen Sooner
5/31/2007, 02:21 PM
Was she hawt?


I'm so sorry.

Right towards the end there she was.

So VERY sorry

C&CDean
5/31/2007, 02:32 PM
Except that's not what happened, unfortunately for Homey's pro-anglo/protestant revision.

Oh. Why don't you give us the pro-negro/jewish version then.

47straight
5/31/2007, 02:52 PM
The only "heresy" charges i can find were cross-dressing, and perhaps one of "assurance of salvation" that she was couldn't have been found guilty of.

<"Anglo"-being english, with particular interests in demonizing the spanish during and after the time of elizabeth, and not just "whitey">

Okla-homey
5/31/2007, 05:53 PM
The only "heresy" charges i can find were cross-dressing, and perhaps one of "assurance of salvation" that she was couldn't have been found guilty of.

<"Anglo"-being english, with particular interests in demonizing the spanish during and after the time of elizabeth, and not just "whitey">

Then call me a heretic baybee because I know where I'm headed when my body assumes room temperature. Sola Fide!.

Furthermore, if "works" had anything to do with it, that whole crucifixion dealio was a waste of a perfectly good Incarnate Word. w/apologies to Martin Luther.

47straight
6/1/2007, 01:46 AM
Then call me a heretic baybee because I know where I'm headed when my body assumes room temperature. Sola Fide!.

Furthermore, if "works" had anything to do with it, that whole crucifixion dealio was a waste of a perfectly good Incarnate Word. w/apologies to Martin Luther.

The issue isn't what you believe or don't believe, which you're perfectly welcome to, but what Joan of Arc was on trial for and how that can be represented to think the worst of them mackeral snappers.

I do appreciate repping your litany of theogical differences in the form of zingers, it wouldn't be a SO religious discussion without it. :D

Oh wait, we haven't seen a shameless plug for the lutheran church from the husker.

Thanks for the original post and polite discussion homey. :)