The Minimum Wage is going up

[royalfan5]

http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/25/news/economy/minimum_wagedeal/

As part of the Iraq funding bill, the minimum wage will increase to 7.25 over the next two years. I tend to think the minimum wage is a waste of time, but it has always been popular with a lot of folks.

[SoonerInKCMO]

Damn sneaky politicians putting that in there like that.

"Oh, you're going to veto our cut of funding? Well then we'll give the funding back and throw in this wholly unrelated and controversial item to boot."

Bleh.

[royalfan5]

Damn sneaky politicians putting that in there like that.

"Oh, you're going to veto our cut of funding? Well then we'll give the funding back and throw in this wholly unrelated and controversial item to boot."

Bleh.
Just like the Simpson's episode where Krusty becomes a congressman, and Walter Mondale helps them tack on a rider.

[Okieflyer]

At least now there will be no more poor in this country. Finally!

I don't know how you could even live off of $7.25. I think we really should raise it to about $20 an hour. Then everyone would make a decent wage.:rolleyes:

If this isn't about buying votes, than there is no such thing.:mad:

[MamaMia]

I've decided that I'm okay with it since we pay well over that anyway. My wish is that congress would stop wasting our money on stupid things that benefit only a very few, but really rich, campaign contributors.

I also want to see a real tax cut; a straight tax is just fine with me.

I would also like to see term limits on the federal level. It boggles my mind that such a huge percentage of the population want term limits but we are totally ignored. The fact that we are ignored about how we feel about term limits is also the main reason I hate politicians. Many of them will actually campaign on the premise that they want term limits and then not even say the words "term" and "limits" in the same sentence after they're elected.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

At least now there will be no more poor in this country. Finally!

I don't know how you could even live off of $7.25. I think we really should raise it to about $20 an hour. Then everyone would make a decent wage.:rolleyes:

If this isn't about buying votes, than there is no such thing.:mad:Just think how prosperous and happy we would all be with a $100 per hr. minimum wage!

[royalfan5]

Just think how prosperous and happy we would all be with a $100 per hr. minimum wage!
and price controls on everything too.

[Taxman71]

I think I hear mass rejoicing out of Stillwater. They just upgraded from Natty Light to Keystone.

[Pfunk]

heh

[My Opinion Matters]

I really don't see how anyone can be opposed to this. The minimum wage has been stagnant for over 10 years.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I really don't see how anyone can be opposed to this. The minimum wage has been stagnant for over 10 years.That's right. They should at least jump it to $50 per hr. That way, we would at least all have comfortable lives.

[yermom]

I really don't see how anyone can be opposed to this. The minimum wage has been stagnant for over 10 years.

i'm sure that with inflation and gas prices it's not even worth whatever it was 10 years ago

[My Opinion Matters]

That's right. They should at least jump it to $50 per hr. That way, we would at least all have comfortable lives.

$50 an hour isn't enough for hookers and blow. That's what I need to live comfortably.

[My Opinion Matters]

i'm sure that with inflation and gas prices it's not even worth whatever it was 10 years ago

You're telling me this quarter from 1997 isn't worth 25 cents? :confused: :(

[sooner_born_1960]

I think I hear mass rejoicing out of Stillwater. They just upgraded from Natty Light to Keystone.
That's no upgrade.

[Hatfield]

bunch of dumb highhorse in this thread

[My Opinion Matters]

bunch of dumb highhorse in this thread

That's what I meant to say.

[MamaMia]

Originally Posted by Hatfield
bunch of dumb highhorse in this thread

Is highhorse plural? Shouldn't that be highheeses?

[Taxman71]

That's no upgrade.

How about upgrading from Silver Creek to Skoal? That's just for the sorority gals.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Is highhorse plural? Shouldn't that be highheeses?
Plural of horse is heeses? How did you get there?

[Petro-Sooner]

hicess

[Hatfield]

similar to how the plural of mice is meeses i bet.

[MamaMia]

Plural of horse is heeses? How did you get there?The confusion may have been from the fact that high horse, as in the saying, is two words as opposed to one.

[Hatfield]

or the confusion could have been from your inability to comment with a thought as to the underlying intent.

but carry on with the hillarity that is oooh ooh look no space between these 2 words guffaw guffaw :)

[sooner_born_1960]

What was the underlying intent?

[My Opinion Matters]

How did this thread regress to men lying under covers together in tents???

[Hatfield]

What was the underlying intent?


just saying a lot of people not effected by the need for an increase in the minimum wage sure are against it for some odd reason...and the characters being most vocal seem to indicate their angst comes more from the party introducing the change than the change itself...yet they would rather americans suffer than admit it was time for the darn thing to be raised regardless of which party did it.

[sooner_born_1960]

I don't see any mention of political party. And only one post that hints at a particular party. I guess the singular "horse" was correct after all.

[BigRedJed]

A lot of people not affected by it? Really? The cost of pretty much everything you buy will now go up a bit to compensate. In effect, you and I just got a pay cut. Oh, and if you have teenage kids, they just became a little less employable. Congratulations!

[Mjcpr]

A lot of people not affected by it? Really? The cost of pretty much everything you buy will now go up a bit to compensate. In effect, you and I just got a pay cut. Oh, and if you have teenage kids, they just became a little less employable. Congratulations!

The net affect though won't really effect most of us in the long run so they're is no reason to get all uppity is their?

[Harry Beanbag]

My guess is nobody on this board, that is out of high school, is pulling down minimum wage paychecks. The evil rich corporations will be making even more money when this goes into effect.

The big winners in this are pimply faced high school kids and illegal aliens, everybody else is getting screwed.

[BigRedJed]

Wrong. The pimply faced high school kids will have a harder time finding jobs. Plus, they'll have to spend more on Big Macs in the future, so there goes their raise. Oh, and all of the employees who currently make $7 and $8 an hour will demand a raise, because they want to keep the same distance from the minimum wage. It creates a ripple effect throughout the entire economy.

[BigRedJed]

BTW, the employees who are coming to me for a raise to keep them ahead of minimum wage? They're taking the money out of MY pocket. So, it's really a paycut for me.

[olevetonahill]

I think I hear mass rejoicing out of Stillwater. They just upgraded from Natty Light to Keystone.
Easy there Boy ya gonna **** me off :mad:

[royalfan5]

I agree, going to Natty light from Keystone makes more sense.

[Harry Beanbag]

Wrong. The pimply faced high school kids will have a harder time finding jobs. Plus, they'll have to spend more on Big Macs in the future, so there goes their raise. Oh, and all of the employees who currently make $7 and $8 an hour will demand a raise, because they want to keep the same distance from the minimum wage. It creates a ripple effect throughout the entire economy.


So who's going to do the typical teenager type jobs now? If everybody currently making $7 gets bumped up, doesn't that still leave teenagers in the unskilled labor category?

[BigRedJed]

If labor costs get too high, I'll have to raise prices or lay people off. If I raise prices, I'll probably lose some business. If I lay people off, I'm putting people on the street, which I hate doing. Of course, you'll pick up the slack when they file for unemployment or collect foodstamps. Oh, and when I lay them off, the quality of my services will go down, and again I'll lose business. Oh well. At least it's not effecting me!

[olevetonahill]

But , But , they are giving Great Tax breaks to business to help off set the costs . :D

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

BTW, the employees who are coming to me for a raise to keep them ahead of minimum wage? They're taking the money out of MY pocket. So, it's really a paycut for me.ef you, buddy. You, as an employer, are the cause of the problem, since you aren't paying your entry level help enough moolah. It SHOULD come out of your pocket, since you obviously make too much $ as an employer. You probably don't work hard enough, either!

[Jerk]

My guess is nobody on this board, that is out of high school, is pulling down minimum wage paychecks. The evil rich corporations will be making even more money when this goes into effect.

The big winners in this are pimply faced high school kids and illegal aliens, everybody else is getting screwed.
The winners are the labor unions, because a lot of them have contracts that stipulate wages based on where the min. wage is at. I don't really know how it works. Maybe they say "Hub-cap-putter-onners at the GM Plant shall make 5x the minimum wage" or some such. So, if the min. wage goes up, the dude putting in lug nuts on an assembly line making $35/hr gets an automatic raise per the labor contracts negotiated by the union. Ya dig? Anyone dig? Am I making any sense at all?

[Jerk]

Between this and the War on Poverty, there should be no more poor people in left America.

[SoonerBorn68]

What's funny is these people who just got a raise to the new miniumum wage are going to pay more taxes, along with the increased FICA tax their employers are going to fork over. Is it really going to help the poor American worker or the Federal government?

[yermom]

My guess is nobody on this board, that is out of high school, is pulling down minimum wage paychecks. The evil rich corporations will be making even more money when this goes into effect.

The big winners in this are pimply faced high school kids and illegal aliens, everybody else is getting screwed.

it should make them more attractive to hire...

[Jerk]

It is "feel good" legislation for retards who can't grasp simple economics.

That's what it really boils down to...dumb people voting and politicians wanting power.

It is also a payoff by dems to the unions.

[BU BEAR]

I am not worried about this. The illegals that the libs were hoping to pander to will still be making $3.25/hr.

[Harry Beanbag]

it should make them more attractive to hire...


We're way ahead out here then. Most cashiers and food service workers that I hand my money to on a daily basis don't speak English.

[Harry Beanbag]

The winners are the labor unions, because a lot of them have contracts that stipulate wages based on where the min. wage is at. I don't really know how it works. Maybe they say "Hub-cap-putter-onners at the GM Plant shall make 5x the minimum wage" or some such. So, if the min. wage goes up, the dude putting in lug nuts on an assembly line making $35/hr gets an automatic raise per the labor contracts negotiated by the union. Ya dig? Anyone dig? Am I making any sense at all?


Wow, I didn't know that. I knew the unions were breaking the domestic automakers, but that seems even more ridiculous than I imagined.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The winners are the labor unions, because a lot of them have contracts that stipulate wages based on where the min. wage is at. I don't really know how it works. Maybe they say "Hub-cap-putter-onners at the GM Plant shall make 5x the minimum wage" or some such. So, if the min. wage goes up, the dude putting in lug nuts on an assembly line making $35/hr gets an automatic raise per the labor contracts negotiated by the union. Ya dig? Anyone dig? Am I making any sense at all?The govt. dictating what a business is required to pay people is just goofy. It's every bit as nonsensical as telling a business what they should charge for their product or service. The market itelf is the judge of what should be paid for products and labor. Anything that meddles with that has adverse, unintended consequences. [Socialists don't think through the issue like they should. I WISH that type of (non)thinking was just limited to one Party.]

[MamaMia]

or the confusion could have been from your inability to comment with a thought as to the underlying intent.

but carry on with the hillarity that is oooh ooh look no space between these 2 words guffaw guffaw :) Whats really bothering you? :P

[yermom]

We're way ahead out here then. Most cashiers and food service workers that I hand my money to on a daily basis don't speak English.

if they are illegal, why pay them minimum wage? :D

i guess there are the employers hiring people with forged documents, etc...

[Penguin]

I guess we should get rid of the minimum wage. That should fix all of our problems.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I guess we should get rid of the minimum wage. That should fix all of our problems.It would be one of the rare occasions when congress does something sensible.

[Scott D]

no congress doing something sensible would be rather than voting for their semi-annual pay raise, they would vote to receive no pay at all for being a member of government. It'd certainly cut down the deficit.

[85Sooner]

I really don't see how anyone can be opposed to this. The minimum wage has been stagnant for over 10 years.


Because it is the base of most union contracts.

[My Opinion Matters]

I guess we should get rid of the minimum wage. That should fix all of our problems.

Re-instituting slavery. There's your answer.

[BigRedJed]

Wow. Way to take it straight from an economics debate to racially-charged lowest-common-denominator incitement in one fell swoop. Outstanding.

[My Opinion Matters]

Because it is the base of most union contracts.

I KNEW IT WAS THE DAMN LIBERAL UNIONS!@!#!

[85Sooner]

The winners are the labor unions, because a lot of them have contracts that stipulate wages based on where the min. wage is at. I don't really know how it works. Maybe they say "Hub-cap-putter-onners at the GM Plant shall make 5x the minimum wage" or some such. So, if the min. wage goes up, the dude putting in lug nuts on an assembly line making $35/hr gets an automatic raise per the labor contracts negotiated by the union. Ya dig? Anyone dig? Am I making any sense at all?


We have a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Many union based contracts are set to minimum wage plus.


Kinda like loans....... prime plus.......

Dats OK I will be watching in 20 years when the unions pentions are gone and bankrupt. The gravy train don't run forever.

[85Sooner]

Re-instituting slavery. There's your answer.


Nope....... Free market is the answer. who ever will do the job I want for the least gets it, all other things being equal.

[My Opinion Matters]

Nope....... Free market is the answer. who ever will do the job I want for the least gets it, all other things being equal.

And there's your illegal immigration problem, right there.

[85Sooner]

And there's your illegal immigration problem, right there.

Not if the gov does what it was supposed to do and prevent the illegals from coming over in the first place.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

And there's your illegal immigration problem, right there.The problem is explained in the name-ILLEGAL!

[My Opinion Matters]

Not if the gov does what it was supposed to do and prevent the illegals from coming over in the first place.

So IT IS the government's job to limit the free market economy then? Do you even realize how much you contradict yourself?

[85Sooner]

So IT IS the government's job to limit the free market economy then? Do you even realize how much you contradict yourself?


It is their job to protect the borders and enforce the laws. Ever read the constitution . I havn't contradicted one thing Rosie:)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So IT IS the government's job to limit the free market economy then? Do you even realize how much you contradict yourself?You should probably drastically edit the above, some way or other.

[Vaevictis]

It is their job to protect the borders and enforce the laws. Ever read the constitution . I havn't contradicted one thing Rosie:)

Restricting the free movement of labor is interfering in the free market, though.

You want a truly free employment market, then anyone who wants to come work here for any reason should be allowed.

[85Sooner]

Restricting the free movement of labor is interfering in the free market, though.

You want a truly free employment market, then anyone who wants to come work here for any reason should be allowed.


and they still can after going through the proper legal steps. Same for you, before you go to work for someone they can demand your SSN , have you sign W-2 etc.... before going to work, You can't just walk in and demand contractors pay under your conditions.

[Vaevictis]

and they still can after going through the proper legal steps.

... they still can if its approved, which is not ensured, especially for unskilled workers. That's regulation.

Do you think kids should be able to work 18 hour days starting from the day they're born under conditions that will probably get them killed? That's regulation.

You want a market to be more free than regulated, but you almost certainly don't want a truly free market.

[SoonerBorn68]

... they still can if its approved, which is not ensured, especially for unskilled workers. That's regulation.



:rolleyes:

Bring us your unskilled, criminal masses, yearning to flee procecution and suck off the American tit.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

:rolleyes:

Bring us your unskilled, criminal masses, yearning to flee procecution and suck off the American tit....and, fergodsakes, supply them with fake ID's, or at least let them run around our country with no documentation. Throw in some middle east folks among them with terrorist intentions, and you have a brilliantly crafted immigration policy.

[Okieflyer]

just saying a lot of people not effected by the need for an increase in the minimum wage sure are against it for some odd reason...and the characters being most vocal seem to indicate their angst comes more from the party introducing the change than the change itself...yet they would rather americans suffer than admit it was time for the darn thing to be raised regardless of which party did it.

That's right, that's why we need to raise it to $20 an hour at least. How could someone live on less. Poor burger flippers. They do need a higher wage. Really it has nothing to do with pandering.

If you can't understand why people would be against it, then maybe you should go back to basic economics.

[mikeelikee]

Hell, make the minimum wage $20.00/hr.! Come on, Congress! No balls? We can just eliminate poverty, right?