Hey Air Force types

[royalfan5]

So yesterday, I was out golfing poorly, and about every ten min. a fighter jet would fly overhead at a fairly low altitude. It seemed that they were flying in a sort of a circular pattern. Either way, I thought this was odd because we only have a refueling wing of the Air National Guard in Lincoln, and the pattern seemed to indicate they were flying there instead of Offut. What's the deal with this?

[SoonerStormchaser]

Hell if I know...at Randolph, we have a HUGE flying training wing...and they do that crap ALL THE TIME!!! My dorm room is right next to the T-38 engine run up area...and it irritates the **** outta me that they do engine tests at 10 PM nearly every freaking night!

T-38 engine= the loudest goddamn engine EVAR!

[HskrGrl]

Heh, I was just about to ask if you were gofling in Bellevue (or Papillion for that matter). I think they are still doing some work on one of the runways at Offutt and redirecting some of the traffic to the Air National Guard.

[Okla-homey]

So yesterday, I was out golfing poorly, and about every ten min. a fighter jet would fly overhead at a fairly low altitude. It seemed that they were flying in a sort of a circular pattern. Either way, I thought this was odd because we only have a refueling wing of the Air National Guard in Lincoln, and the pattern seemed to indicate they were flying there instead of Offut. What's the deal with this?

They're called "overhead patterns." It is a visual approach designed for tactical aircraft that allows a relatively large number of jets to be safely recovered while keeping them very close to the airdrome. It's flown based on visual references on the ground. I presume there is a runway close to where you were playing pasture pool?

[1stTimeCaller]

It was probably the MSM keeping tabs on you.

[King Crimson]

golf is a noun, not a verb. YWIA, hillbilly.

the Sooners did not football a touchdown, by analogy.

[royalfan5]

They're called "overhead patterns." It is a visual approach designed for tactical aircraft that allows a relatively large number of jets to be safely recovered while keeping them very close to the airdrome. It's flown based on visual references on the ground. I presume there is a runway close to where you were playing pasture pool?
Yes, I was a couple miles south of the Lincoln Airport/Air Guard base. If they are working on Offut, and redirecting through Lincoln that would likely be what they are doing. Usually, there aren't smaller planes flying around Lincoln unless it's air show time, or they brought in something cooler than the refueling planes to do the football game flyover.

[King Crimson]

we get the air force academy guys showing off sometimes up here in the northern part of the Front Range. it's pretty cool.

[Rogue]

yadda yadda yaddda...

T-38 engine= the loudest goddamn engine EVAR!

I guess you haven't enjoyed the ear-splitting loudness of A-10s then.:texan:



Hey Air Force types...do you ever wish you'd joined branch of the MILITARY instead? :D :D :D







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[Okla-homey]

I guess you haven't enjoyed the ear-splitting loudness of A-10s then.:texan:



Hey Air Force types...do you ever wish you'd joined branch of the MILITARY instead? :D :D :D






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yeah, yeah. at least we don't enlist convicted felons and have a hard rule requiring a high school diploma to enlist. That's cuz you gotta be smarter than the average rock to be in Big Blue. The dirt-based services OTOH...

[Vaevictis]

Hey Air Force types...do you ever wish you'd joined branch of the MILITARY instead? :D :D :D

One of my cousins who was in the Army once related how, when he was sleeping in a freezing mudhole in Kosovo, he wished he'd followed my grandfather's advice and joined the Air Force.

Ever feel that way? :D

[Flagstaffsooner]

T-38 engine= the loudest goddamn engine EVAR!T-38 Tweety Bird, the Air Force's 1 million dollar noisemaker.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Actually, the T-37 is the Tweet...and Randolph just got rid of em last month. The T-38 is the Talon...and I'd take the Tweet over it any freaking day of the week!

[Flagstaffsooner]

Actually, the T-37 is the Tweet...and Randolph just got rid of em last month. The T-38 is the Talon...and I'd take the Tweet over it any freaking day of the week!I stand corrected. I've been out a while.

[NYSooner1355]

yeah, yeah. at least we don't enlist convicted felons and have a hard rule requiring a high school diploma to enlist. That's cuz you gotta be smarter than the average rock to be in Big Blue. The dirt-based services OTOH...

I think all but the Army require this...I could be mistaken

[Newbomb Turk]

golf is a noun, not a verb. YWIA, hillbilly.


I couldn't golf my ball worth a crap today. I had a case of the "lefts".

frustrating.

[Shamrock]

Hell if I know...at Randolph, we have a HUGE flying training wing...and they do that crap ALL THE TIME!!! My dorm room is right next to the T-38 engine run up area...and it irritates the **** outta me that they do engine tests at 10 PM nearly every freaking night!

T-38 engine= the loudest goddamn engine EVAR!

Louder than an F-4 ???

[jk the sooner fan]

am i the only one that finds it hysterical that an air force officer would complain about the noise of an air force jet?

[olevetonahill]

I think all but the Army require this...I could be mistaken
Army says Ya have to at least have a GED. see they wanta make sure your serious :P Plus on the asfab ? test you have to score higher than a dude or dudet with a diploma

[SoonerStormchaser]

Louder than an F-4 ???


Yah...an F-16 is almost as loud as a T-38...but the Talon beats it by about 15 dB's. F-4 is actually quieter than an F-16...go figure.

[olevetonahill]

am i the only one that finds it hysterical that an air force officer would complain about the noise of an air force jet?
Hes a butter Bar give him a few more months .;)

[SoonerStormchaser]

Yes...I do give a damn about the noise when it's at TEN FREAKING THIRTY AT NIGHT AND I'M TRYING TO SLEEP CAUSE I'M ON CREW REST!!!

[Turd_Ferguson]

Yah...an F-16 is almost as loud as a T-38...but the Talon beats it by about 15 dB's. F-4 is actually quieter than an F-16...go figure.
I'd of never thought that. Phantoms are noisy as hell. Loudest I have heard, was a B1 come by low & slow & then pull an almost vertical climbout. It literally shook the ground.

[Shamrock]

Yah...an F-16 is almost as loud as a T-38...but the Talon beats it by about 15 dB's. F-4 is actually quieter than an F-16...go figure.

Thanks. I was Army, but did some time where the F-4's were near by. Loudest damn things I ever heard.

Since you're at Randolph, my wife always wants to know what those trainers are doing. They fly over my place (about 25 miles out in the boonies from Randolph) all the time. Sometimes in pairs, sometimes flying with a big (135?) jet in formation. Are they practicing escort, or refueling?

[olevetonahill]

Yes...I do give a damn about the noise when it's at TEN FREAKING THIRTY AT NIGHT AND I'M TRYING TO SLEEP CAUSE I'M ON CREW REST!!!
I know that feeling , I remember the gooks ****ing me off at 2am lobbin in mortars and rockets , course thos zappers were quite :eek: :D

[SoonerStormchaser]

Thanks. I was Army, but did some time where the F-4's were near by. Loudest damn things I ever heard.

Since you're at Randolph, my wife always wants to know what those trainers are doing. They fly over my place (about 25 miles out in the boonies from Randolph) all the time. Sometimes in pairs, sometimes flying with a big (135?) jet in formation. Are they practicing escort, or refueling?


It's the base where they train all the instructor pilots and fighter pilots once both are done with UPT at Vance, Sheppard, Columbus or Laughlin.

[afs]

Hell if I know...at Randolph, we have a HUGE flying training wing...and they do that crap ALL THE TIME!!! My dorm room is right next to the T-38 engine run up area...and it irritates the **** outta me that they do engine tests at 10 PM nearly every freaking night!

T-38 engine= the loudest goddamn engine EVAR!

You need to spend some time around real jets. nothing competes w/ a B-1B. Actually a U-2 is suprisingly loud as well.

[NYSooner1355]

Army says Ya have to at least have a GED. see they wanta make sure your serious :P Plus on the asfab ? test you have to score higher than a dude or dudet with a diploma

actually, you don't have to have a GED - they are taking drop-outs then sending them to a school (at Ft. Leonard Wood, I believe) to get their GED...

[Turd_Ferguson]

actually, you don't have to have a GED - they are taking drop-outs then sending them to a school (at Ft. Leonard Wood, I believe) to get their GED...
So basically, they have to have a GED to get into the ARMY.

[NYSooner1355]

well, lets see if this is where we want the Army headed - I had a student come into my office earlier this year telling me she needed her grades and such because she was dropping out of school - because she could then join the Army...then talking to her recruiter, they essentially recommended this option to her - drop out, then we'll send you to a school to ensure you pass the GED, then we'll send you to basic...so yeah, I guess technically they have to have a GED - but really, they are recruiting drop outs...

[Jello Biafra]

well, lets see if this is where we want the Army headed - I had a student come into my office earlier this year telling me she needed her grades and such because she was dropping out of school - because she could then join the Army...then talking to her recruiter, they essentially recommended this option to her - drop out, then we'll send you to a school to ensure you pass the GED, then we'll send you to basic...so yeah, I guess technically they have to have a GED - but really, they are recruiting drop outs...


they aren't really worried about that. especially combat arms. all they need you to be is competant, healthy and willing to listen to orders the rest will take care of itself. by the way, i doubt seriously they will take a drop out unless they score higher on the ASVAB. as i recall, you must have about 7 points more per test to be considered for enlistment if you are a dropout.



if they do join up with combat arms, your military service will ALMOST guarantee that a college will take a chance on you when you get out.. just personal experience. i think the army is getting a bad rap here. army standards really haven't dropped all that much. it's just that there are a lot of people out there talking about low entrance standards now as opposed to 20 years ago etc.


it's still a good system. its freedom of choice and no drafts. ask olevet about that.....

[olevetonahill]

they aren't really worried about that. especially combat arms. all they need you to be is competant, healthy and willing to listen to orders the rest will take care of itself. by the way, i doubt seriously they will take a drop out unless they score higher on the ASVAB. as i recall, you must have about 7 points more per test to be considered for enlistment if you are a dropout.



if they do join up with combat arms, your military service will ALMOST guarantee that a college will take a chance on you when you get out.. just personal experience. i think the army is getting a bad rap here. army standards really haven't dropped all that much. it's just that there are a lot of people out there talking about low entrance standards now as opposed to 20 years ago etc.


it's still a good system. its freedom of choice and no drafts. ask olevet about that.....
Yup I was a High school graduete with in 60 days Of graduation I was In Uncle sams Army
The ASVAB is what I was thinking earlier
Yup You can drop out But you do have to score Higher on that test to get in ,
Course Back in the day If you could add 2 plus 2 you could be in the Airforce Or Marines :P :P :P :P
Jello what Unit were you In ? I know you told me yrs ago But hell Ive got drunk once since then .:D

[Rogue]

...he wished he'd followed my grandfather's advice and joined the Air Force.

Ever feel that way? :D

Yup, several times. 'Cept the USAF wouldn't take me at that time until a few of my speeding tickets were older. When the flyboys came and had to stay in our old barracks on Ft. Bliss they got some kind of $$ kicker for staying in substandard housing or some such. Mebbe they were pulling our legs. I do know that we never stayed in 4-star hotel accomodations like they did. One of my roomies at OU was in the USAF reserve. They went to their ann'l training somewhere and it rained so they didn't put up any tents and stayed in hotels instead. WTF?!

What was the group in the Vietnam Era that were accepted with marginal intelligence scores, sorta borderline retarded if memory serves. It was called "___(fill in the blank with some d00d's name____'s 100,000" or something. Like "Johnson's 100k" maybe?

[olevetonahill]

Yup, several times. 'Cept the USAF wouldn't take me at that time until a few of my speeding tickets were older. When the flyboys came and had to stay in our old barracks on Ft. Bliss they got some kind of $$ kicker for staying in substandard housing or some such. Mebbe they were pulling our legs. I do know that we never stayed in 4-star hotel accomodations like they did. One of my roomies at OU was in the USAF reserve. They went to their ann'l training somewhere and it rained so they didn't put up any tents and stayed in hotels instead. WTF?!

What was the group in the Vietnam Era that were accepted with marginal intelligence scores, sorta borderline retarded if memory serves. It was called "___(fill in the blank with some d00d's name____'s 100,000" or something. Like "Johnson's 100k" maybe?
I aint touching that question Bro :D
But I do remember Hittin an Airforce base In Nam (as in gettin to go on one )
Hell I went in this building , it Had A/C and Flush toilets :eek:
I spent 2 hrs in the shatter just flushing that thing to hear the noise . :D :D :D :D :D

[Jello Biafra]

Yup I was a High school graduete with in 60 days Of graduation I was In Uncle sams Army
The ASVAB is what I was thinking earlier
Yup You can drop out But you do have to score Higher on that test to get in ,
Course Back in the day If you could add 2 plus 2 you could be in the Airforce Or Marines :P :P :P :P
Jello what Unit were you In ? I know you told me yrs ago But hell Ive got drunk once since then .:D


4th ID at Ft Carson, Colorado
3rd ID in Weurzburg Germany
1AD in Erlangen Germany(Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq etc etc)
95 Infantry St Louis (drill SGT)
45th Infantry OKC

[Jello Biafra]

i know the NEXT question is MOS so.......



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[olevetonahill]

4th ID at Ft Carson, Colorado
3rd ID in Weurzburg Germany
1AD in Erlangen Germany(Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq etc etc)
95 Infantry St Louis (drill SGT)
45th Infantry OKC
Thot so
Remember My lil Buddy Troy ? hes on his second tour In ragland , Hes a Tank driver , got extended 3 More Months so He may get to come home in Oct .:eek:

[olevetonahill]

i know the NEXT question is MOS so.......



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Yup My lil buddy Drives one of them . I remember posting his addy here awhile back and It was your Old unit or sompun .

[Jello Biafra]

Yup My lil buddy Drives one of them . I remember posting his addy here awhile back and It was your Old unit or sompun .


o yeh.....tell him to keep his spirits up...


i was reading about the new tanks here in the last couple of hours. its amazing how much the m1s have improved since I'VE left active duty. it seems as though these things can tag targets well outside of the 3000 meter range now......we were hitting targets any where from 1 1/2 miles to 1 3/4 miles away now these guys are close to 2 miles? jesus!

[Turd_Ferguson]

How fast will the Abrams really go?

[Jello Biafra]

How fast will the Abrams really go?


goverened? or not ? :)

[olevetonahill]

o yeh.....tell him to keep his spirits up...


i was reading about the new tanks here in the last couple of hours. its amazing how much the m1s have improved since I'VE left active duty. it seems as though these things can tag targets well outside of the 3000 meter range now......we were hitting targets any where from 1 1/2 miles to 1 3/4 miles away now these guys are close to 2 miles? jesus!
A few weeks ago he was somewhere N/east of Bhagdad traing the Irqe police , I got to chat with him 2 nites ago hes Now back driving his Tank doing Ops .:eek:
I have a feeling those IEDs are a little weak against a Tank . at least I hope so
Hell I feel Like I raised that boy from when he was 15:cool:

[olevetonahill]

goverened? or not ? :)
Hell bro I was enough Mechanic in the Nam to Make the 1/4 ton jeeps fly .;)

[Jello Biafra]

A few weeks ago he was somewhere N/east of Bhagdad traing the Irqe police , I got to chat with him 2 nites ago hes Now back driving his Tank doing Ops .:eek:
I have a feeling those IEDs are a little weak against a Tank . at least I hope so
Hell I feel Like I raised that boy from when he was 15:cool:


i'll tell you from experience, the IEDs are having FAAAAR more success against the humvees. with the old armor, there was close to 4" on the hull.

[Turd_Ferguson]

okay...governed AND non-governed

[Jello Biafra]

Hell bro I was enough Mechanic in the Nam to Make the 1/4 ton jeeps fly .;)


lol i would have loved to been able to get in touch with you when we got back to germany then. I managed to disable two of our three governors and got the tank up to around 55 mph. I heard the thrid one was somewhere on the engine and was the big one. at 1500 horsepower we could have been running for pinks :)

seriously though, we saw film on the m1s before we went to the sand in 90. they showed a digital read out on the right side of the screen and an m1 accelorating both treads DISINTIGRATED at 88 MPH.......

i think the ONLY thing that can DESTROY this thing would be the driver and chuck norris....

[bluedogok]

The C5-A's flying out of Altus AFB are pretty loud.

[olevetonahill]

lol i would have loved to been able to get in touch with you when we got back to germany then. I managed to disable two of our three governors and got the tank up to around 55 mph. I heard the thrid one was somewhere on the engine and was the big one. at 1500 horsepower we could have been running for pinks :)

seriously though, we saw film on the m1s before we went to the sand in 90. they showed a digital read out on the right side of the screen and an m1 accelorating both treads DISINTIGRATED at 88 MPH.......

i think the ONLY thing that can DESTROY this thing would be the driver and chuck norris....
I know what ya mean . When I was in a jeep I wanted that thing to Fly when the **** hit the fan :D

[Rogue]

It was "McNamara's 100,000" or McNamara's "Project 100,000."

[swardboy]

The C5-A's flying out of Altus AFB are pretty loud.

the loudest thing I heard at Altus was the KC-135 tanker...converted boeing 707. Back in the early '80's the engines were just horrendously loud. they've been fitted with newer engines since then that are much quieter.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Sward, those are my backup choice after AWACS...the thing is, I can only get them in an assignment to McConnell.

[StuIsTheMan]

The T-38, T-37, F-16, F-4...are all very loud...But that Damn -60 they use to start those things is louder and more disturbing than them all...I hated having to fire that thing up every morn'n. But suck'n down the O2, on power ons, helped the Hangovers.
And on the off subject...The F-15C is the baddest jet EVAR! Still undefeated!

[Boomer_Sooner_sax]

The baddest plane in my opinion is the B-1. Talk about loud? Four of those bad boys lit up will literally shake your insides! They are amazingly agile for their size too! And to me, one of the sexiest planes as well!

[KStatePike]

Those B1's have 4 F-16 engines in them. When they put the burners on, it gets your attention.

[StuIsTheMan]

Those B1's have 4 F-16 engines in them. When they put the burners on, it gets your attention.


B1 Engine is a General Electric F101

F-16 Engine is a F100-PW-200


NOT THE SAME THING!...just say'n

[soonerboy_odanorth]

The F-14 Super Tomcat in full afterburner was the loudest fighter I've ever heard, but I agree... the B-1 is earth-shaking.

If you ever get to go to the Chicago Air and Water show... you get to see some pretty awesome perfomances, including either the T-birds or Blue Angels.

[Harry Beanbag]

The F-14 Super Tomcat in full afterburner was the loudest fighter I've ever heard, but I agree... the B-1 is earth-shaking.


Being out on the open ocean with overcast skies following a carrier during flight ops is quite an amazing experience. A few dozen F-14s, F-18s, and A-6s flying around without any real noise restrictions definitely gets your attention. I can't really remember which ones were the loudest, but they were all ear splitting out there.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Bwa ha ha ha...look what I turned this thread into!

[C&CDean]

Want loud? Go stand at the starting line of a top fuel or funny car race.

And no way in hell T-38 or an F-16 is louder than an F-15.

[SoonerStormchaser]

No thanks Dean...I still want to have my hearing when I'm your age ;)

[C&CDean]

What?

[jk the sooner fan]

i dont know what kind of jets they fly at NAS Key West - but i spent a nite there in the BOQ and was awoken early in the morning by whatever the hell jets were out throttling up their engines........pretty damn loud

i think the t-37's and t-38's have a higher pitched engine noise dont they?