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OUAndy1807
5/2/2007, 01:19 AM
finish the sentence.

mine would be the lack of fresh seafood we have access to.

This question is open to Oklahoma residents only.

critical_phil
5/2/2007, 01:21 AM
..............i would kick tulsa all the way to nebraska.

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 01:50 AM
..............i would kick tulsa all the way to nebraska.
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I'd like to see vast improvements in the overall quality of our education system that doesn't entail just throwing more money at teachers.

The state's economy needs serious help to stop all of our damned graduates from moving to Texas to work.

The roads need to be fixed.

Also, the state could do such a better job at promoting itself and its resources for both tourists and investments.

EDIT: Okay, yes that's obviously more than one thing. So, my "one thing" is to have more things.

olevetonahill
5/2/2007, 02:06 AM
Id move saxet as far away as I could :D

PhilTLL
5/2/2007, 03:16 AM
The senior Senator.

SoonerStormchaser
5/2/2007, 07:23 AM
I'd get rid of that gawdamn sales tax ON FOOD!

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 07:41 AM
I have three wishes.

1) Packaged high point beer may be sold cold by any retailer who has a beer license.

2) Every trailer park owner shall be required by law to build commodius tornado shelters within a 1 minute walk of all park tenants, and park owners shall maintain a warning system wired to every trailer to alert said occupants of impending tornadic doom.

3) Rename oSu "Pickens State"

yermom
5/2/2007, 07:41 AM
do something to attract real tech companies/businesses

you know, more than call centers

and get rid of canoe beer

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 07:44 AM
do something to attract real tech companies/businesses

you know, more than call centers

and get rid of canoe beer

If high point beer could be sold cold at Quik Trip, canoe beer would cease to exist through the effect of market forces. That is precisely why "big beer" opposes such measures. Right now, distributors like Ben E. Keith, et. al, have the market cornered on near beer and would lose market share if tasty alternatives were available cold. Also, the liquor store lobby spends a lot of money in OKC to keep the legislators payed off so they won't mess with the status quo.

yermom
5/2/2007, 07:46 AM
yeah, we were posting at the same time, i was basically saying the same thing

that and i just like the phrase "canoe beer"

sanantoniosooner
5/2/2007, 08:00 AM
I'd like be recognize the place I grew up once again. Bingo places and smoke shops suck.

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 08:03 AM
I'd like be recognize the place I grew up once again. Bingo places and smoke shops suck.

Perhaps the Indian proprietors of those places would prefer it if you were'nt around either. You know, so Oklahoma could be theirs again like it was before we got here in violation of Federal treaty obligations to the tribes.

It always strikes me as odd that no one favors welfare for poor folks, but when the federal government and the state combine to make it possible for Indian people to improve their lot in life through hard work and investment in gaming facilities, that's somehow bad too.

sanantoniosooner
5/2/2007, 08:06 AM
Perhaps the Indian proprietors of those places would prefer it if you were'nt around either. You know, so Oklahoma could be theirs again like it was before we got here in violation of Federal treaty obligations to the tribes.
I knew that would fire somebody up.

I have no problem with coexisting with tribal lands. It makes me sad that the path to saving a culture is hinged on gambling and tobacco.

yermom
5/2/2007, 08:06 AM
when do they open the Chicken Ranches? :texan:

crawfish
5/2/2007, 08:07 AM
do something to attract real tech companies/businesses

you know, more than call centers


Word.

Also, ENOUGH ALREADY WITH THE CASINOS! They're a frickin' eyesore, from the trailer trash mecca of Winstar to the gaudy neon of Riverwind.

We should've limited those things to being built in the uglier sections of Oklahoma.

yermom
5/2/2007, 08:09 AM
the casinos are growing a bit unbounded it seems, i mean they are killing each other

jk the sooner fan
5/2/2007, 08:12 AM
i'd like all the oklahoma drivers to be taught that the left lane isnt the "go slow and look at the flowers lane"

and then i'd like for i-35 to be a decent road from one state line to the other

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 08:12 AM
I knew that would fire somebody up.

I have no problem with coexisting with tribal lands. It makes me sad that the path to saving a culture is hinged on gambling and tobacco.

Well, good news is, I think the day will come when gaming will be just a small sector of tribal GNP. Tribes are already diversifying into other areas with gaming revenues making it possible.

A great example is the Florida Seminoles. They now own the entire Hard Rock Cafe corporation and all franchises. They're building a new one as we speak in Fiji which is estimated to bring in $160M annually.

Tribes are waking up to the fact that broader entertainment and leisure opportunities abound that do not involve gaming and thus avoid complicated issues of compliance with federal and state gaming laws.

yermom
5/2/2007, 08:14 AM
i'd like all the oklahoma drivers to be taught that the left lane isnt the "go slow and look at the flowers lane"

and then i'd like for i-35 to be a decent road from one state line to the other

ooh, ooh carpool lanes!

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 08:17 AM
the casinos are growing a bit unbounded it seems, i mean they are killing each other

I've seen the numbers. They have'nt even come close to reaching the saturation point yet. The new thing is going to be destination resorts. Wait til you see what the Creek Nation is going to unveil at the site of the old Fountainhead state park.

yermom
5/2/2007, 08:20 AM
i'd hate to see what the saturation point looks like then

although, i would like to see something like the French Quarter Harrah's in Bricktown...

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 08:23 AM
Word.

Also, ENOUGH ALREADY WITH THE CASINOS! They're a frickin' eyesore, from the trailer trash mecca of Winstar to the gaudy neon of Riverwind.

We should've limited those things to being built in the uglier sections of Oklahoma.

The only requirement by federal law is that the facilities be constructed within the boundaries of the tribe's former reservation and on trust or restricted property. That's federal law under the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988. IOW, states don't get a vote on where tribes choose to locate gaming facilities if they choose to build on land the tribe controls within its former rez.

BTW, that is why there aren't any in downtown OKC -- no tribe owned Oklahoma County after the Civil War

yermom
5/2/2007, 08:25 AM
i'd like to see some kind of gaming commission or something

the rules they have in OK are still pretty backward

picasso
5/2/2007, 08:28 AM
i'd like all the oklahoma drivers to be taught that the left lane isnt the "go slow and look at the flowers lane"

and then i'd like for i-35 to be a decent road from one state line to the other
this is a bad problem here.

I'd like better roads. you know, ones that don't require cat-like reflexes in order to dodge gaping potholes?

I think that starts by completely cleaning out our state legislature.

yermom
5/2/2007, 08:32 AM
i'd say to borrow some from Kansas, but that would bring a whole host of other problems

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 08:36 AM
i'd like to see some kind of gaming commission or something

the rules they have in OK are still pretty backward

Here's the deal, and the only way I know this stuff is because I have a final at 1pm today in "Indian Gaming Law."

The state only gets to influence "class III" gaming -- basically, that's slots and banked card games like blackjack where you play against the house.

Class III gaming is regulated by the terms of a tribal-state "compact" which is essentially a contract between the tribes and the state. In Oklahoma, Gov Henry decided to have one massive compact with all the tribes so the rules for Class III are the same for all tribes that do Class III gaming. It basically allows the tribes to do Class III gaming and the tribes that do pay a small slice to the state -- its about 6% of the gross from the Class III games.

Bingo, non-banked card games (where you just play against the other players at the table), lotto and pull-tabs are "Class II" and are regulated by the tribes with federal oversight. The state can't touch it by federal law.

BTW. Class I is traditional stuff like Friday night poker games among friends. That is regulated entirely by the tribes.

It's actually a lot more complicated than that, and there has been a ton of litigation on the matter, but suffice to say, that is the way it is and there's no going back by federal law, unless Congress repeals or amends the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988. Indian gaming is annually about a $23B business now. I don't see Congress messing with it further because there is just too much money involved and there is a solid bi-partisan block of Congress people from Indian Country who would scream bloody murder -- including the entire OK delegation.

stoopified
5/2/2007, 08:39 AM
I would move OSU to New Mexico,get the hell away from me.Orange especially pike neon orange makes me sick.

yermom
5/2/2007, 08:42 AM
yeah, i'm talking about how they make Blackjack a non-banked game

it's a total hosejob for the players, not like normal Blackjack isn't anyway, but now it's even worse

what ever happened with regular table games? i thought they were voting on that soon? or did it not pass?

picasso
5/2/2007, 08:45 AM
oh and I meant by bad problem I was agreeing with jk on the slow left lane drivers.

move your lollie gaggin butt to the right lane!

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 08:49 AM
yeah, i'm talking about how they make Blackjack a non-banked game

it's a total hosejob for the players, not like normal Blackjack isn't anyway, but now it's even worse

what ever happened with regular table games? i thought they were voting on that soon? or did it not pass?

"regular table games" are allowed under the compact. Some tribes choose not to have "regular table games" because they are Class III and require them to give the state 6% of the take. If they have non-banked blackjack, they get to keep the "chair rental fee." I call it a chair rental fee because its the fee they charge for the privilege of playing against the others at the table. They are also allowed to take a part of each pot and put it away to be given away during "blackjack tournaments." As long as all the pot (less the chair rental fee) gets given back out, its not considered "banked."

picasso
5/2/2007, 08:50 AM
I would move OSU to New Mexico,get the hell away from me.Orange especially pike neon orange makes me sick.
New Mexico wouldn't want them. just sayin.

yermom
5/2/2007, 08:51 AM
they have their own Aggies to deal with

tbl
5/2/2007, 08:56 AM
state income tax....

47straight
5/2/2007, 09:08 AM
Wow homey, a whole class on Indian Gaming Law? I've seen adverts for LLM's in Indian Law, I can see now they're serious about it.

I'd change the obesity and smoking rates of Okies.

JohnnyMack
5/2/2007, 09:15 AM
...I'd do something about our inability to attract new companies.

Then I'd spend a bunch of money on superfluous stuff, just to **** Tuba off.

XingTheRubicon
5/2/2007, 09:18 AM
trailing a slow driver in the left lane is a smidge better than cruising 6 miles per hour on Central...

rufnek05
5/2/2007, 09:41 AM
and then i'd like for i-35 to be a decent road from one state line to the other


that but include all roads and bridges

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 09:42 AM
Wow homey, a whole class on Indian Gaming Law? I've seen adverts for LLM's in Indian Law, I can see now they're serious about it.



You oghtta see the case book. Its about 500 pages. Frankly, I think Indian law is the fastest growing practice area nowadays, except for immigration law. The difference is, you can make a decent living practicing Indian Law.;)

Mjcpr
5/2/2007, 09:51 AM
state income tax....

We already have one of the lowest tax burdens in the country. If it isn't called state income tax, it'll be called property tax or something else.

Oklahoma Ranks 45th (http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/pf/0704/gallery.tax_friendliest/8.html)

yermom
5/2/2007, 09:57 AM
45th? isn't that about where our schools are too?

Mjcpr
5/2/2007, 09:59 AM
45th? isn't that about where our schools are too?

I would imagine so. Does this mean you're in favor of bumping up those taxes quite a bit?

:D

BigRedJed
5/2/2007, 10:00 AM
...i would like to see something like the French Quarter Harrah's in Bricktown...
I disagree.

yermom
5/2/2007, 10:00 AM
I would imagine so. Does this mean you're in favor of bumping up those taxes quite a bit?

:D

i've already been to school, why should i care? :D

yermom
5/2/2007, 10:01 AM
I disagree.

have i mentioned that i hate you?

i think it makes more sense than Bass Pro being there...

frankensooner
5/2/2007, 10:17 AM
Hey Homey, you should apply for a scholarship to this year's Sovereignty Symposium. It is being held at the Skirvin and we could do lunch. http://www.oscn.net/sovereignty/default.aspx

skycat
5/2/2007, 10:19 AM
Not to derail this thread or anything, but Homey, can you explain to me how Texas can get away with preventing casinos on Indian land?

There's a bill in the state legislature right now to allow it, but I don't get how it's blocked currently.

TIA
:texan:

NormanPride
5/2/2007, 10:20 AM
Increase population. An urban population increase means a larger support for bigger businesses, more interesting store/restaurant chains, pro teams, tourism, larger office buildings to house corporate headquarters, a bigger Airport to use as a Hub for airlines meaning more traffic through our cities, and more people=more taxes to improve roads/schools/etc.

cantwait48
5/2/2007, 10:26 AM
less white trash

frankensooner
5/2/2007, 10:26 AM
Not to derail this thread or anything, but Homey, can you explain to me how Texas can get away with preventing casinos on Indian land?

There's a bill in the state legislature right now to allow it, but I don't get how it's blocked currently.

TIA
:texan:
In order to have Class III gaming, the tribes much reach compacts with the State Governement. I don't know how Texas keeps the casinos out, since the State itself engages in Lottery gaming. I think the State is required to neogotiate in good faith when it comes to these compacts. It is not all that fresh in my mind, but maybe Homey has more answers.

TheHumanAlphabet
5/2/2007, 10:58 AM
...I would change the tax system and reduce/eliminate all the fees people pay in Oklahoma.

Oh and outlaw "tornado magnets". ;)

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 11:03 AM
In order to have Class III gaming, the tribes much reach compacts with the State Governement. I don't know how Texas keeps the casinos out, since the State itself engages in Lottery gaming. I think the State is required to neogotiate in good faith when it comes to these compacts. It is not all that fresh in my mind, but maybe Homey has more answers.

The state legislature next session is going to put some serious thought into whether or not to open the state up for casino gaming, but not limited to the tribal sort. There are a couple of developers who are hyping up the revenue benefits to creating giant casino resorts around Texas.

BigRedJed
5/2/2007, 11:13 AM
have i mentioned that i hate you?

i think it makes more sense that Bass Pro being there...
I disagree.

crawfish
5/2/2007, 11:17 AM
less white trash

I guess we should be impressed that you bothered to register for that. :rolleyes:

TopDaugIn2000
5/2/2007, 11:25 AM
3) Rename oSu "East Okie Cow$hit state"


FIXED

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 11:44 AM
In order to have Class III gaming, the tribes much reach compacts with the State Governement. I don't know how Texas keeps the casinos out, since the State itself engages in Lottery gaming. I think the State is required to neogotiate in good faith when it comes to these compacts. It is not all that fresh in my mind, but maybe Homey has more answers.

The way texass pulled it off was as a condition of the Tribal Restoration Act (25 USC 1300g) that they had included in the Act via their people in Congress. The state went along with federal recognition of tribes in texass on terms they wouldn't game. A texass tribe sued for the right to game anyway and lost. The case is Ysleta Del Sur Pueblo v. Texas, 36 F.3d 1325 (5th Cir., 1994) if you're interested.

also, the provision in IGRA requiring states to negotiate in good faith was struck down by SCOTUS on grounds of state XI Amendment sovereign immunity. Seminole Tribe v. Florida

In short, states don't have to negotiate anymore, but most do (except Utah) because of that sweet piece of the action they get, and the fact people like to game. Heck, out in AZ, the governor wouldn't negotiate and the tribes went straight to the people who passed a ballot referendum making tribal gaming legal. In CA, the people passed a state consitutional amendment making it legal around a governor who wouldn't play ball (Gray Davis who was under intense pressure not to negotiate by the restaurant workers union)

Presumably, if the people in texass passed a law allowing casinos generally, that would open the door to tribal gaming too. Methinks texass is sick of its folks driving to Oklahoma and surrounding states to gamble in tribal casinos and wants to get in on the act.

Okla-homey
5/2/2007, 11:45 AM
Not to derail this thread or anything, but Homey, can you explain to me how Texas can get away with preventing casinos on Indian land?

There's a bill in the state legislature right now to allow it, but I don't get how it's blocked currently.

TIA
:texan:

see above post #55.

BigRedJed
5/2/2007, 11:45 AM
I guess we should be impressed that you bothered to register for that. :rolleyes:
Or not.

BigRedJed
5/2/2007, 11:56 AM
less white trash
Man, my negspek hammer is HUGE.

BlondeSoonerGirl
5/2/2007, 11:58 AM
Wow. So is mine...

Jeopardude
5/2/2007, 12:00 PM
Increase population. An urban population increase means a larger support for bigger businesses, more interesting store/restaurant chains, pro teams, tourism, larger office buildings to house corporate headquarters, a bigger Airport to use as a Hub for airlines meaning more traffic through our cities, and more people=more taxes to improve roads/schools/etc.

Hub is key. Isn't Southwest sick of Dallas?

All right, light a candle, spike the punch, put on Side 2 of Led Zep IV and let's commence the population increasing.

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 12:03 PM
Heh, Oklahoma already has an airport big enough to serve as a major HUB...it's TULSA.

That damned airport you have in OKC is the size of a mole on a tick's ***.
Not that Tulsa is an Atlanta or O'Hare, but TUL>OKC

TopDaugIn2000
5/2/2007, 12:32 PM
as the guy that sits beside me says:

"no bigger than a dimple on a pimple on a gnat's left nut"

PhilTLL
5/2/2007, 01:51 PM
Heh, Oklahoma already has an airport big enough to serve as a major HUB...it's TULSA.

That damned airport you have in OKC is the size of a mole on a tick's ***.
Not that Tulsa is an Atlanta or O'Hare, but TUL>OKC

You mean the damned one with the longer runways, more room to expand, newer terminal buildings, and more airline service than Tulsa? You been sipping on the AA kool aid before posting again? Gimme some, I bet it tastes like double eagle. :)

CORNholio
5/2/2007, 02:02 PM
Move the state capital to Hooker so when people think of Oklahoma they smile a little.

Dio
5/2/2007, 02:04 PM
i'd like all the oklahoma drivers to be taught that the left lane isnt the "go slow and look at the flowers lane"

and then i'd like for i-35 to be a decent road from one state line to the other

AMEN, BROTHER!

If you ain't passing anybody, GET OUT OF THE PASSING LANE!!!!!!11!!!1

RiddlerOK
5/2/2007, 02:13 PM
This may sound trivial but, how about putting bike lanes on the streets in OKC, Tulsa and some of the larger towns.

RiddlerOK
5/2/2007, 02:14 PM
And no, that wasn't intended for the benefit of Biker Fox or any of his T-Town/OSU brethren.

mikeelikee
5/2/2007, 02:26 PM
I would like to see us have a REAL governor, instead of the feckless "boy-governor" we have now.

Please, Governor Gump, sign the immigration reform bill!

Petro-Sooner
5/2/2007, 02:28 PM
I would like to see us have a REAL governor, instead of the feckless "boy-governor" we have now.

Ya got that right.

frankensooner
5/2/2007, 02:29 PM
A real Govenor like Frank, or Hank or David? He is about as good as we have had in awhile.

OUstud
5/2/2007, 02:46 PM
Edmond's frustrating traffic. (especially Broadway) I also wish drivers knew that Broadway became a 45 zone past 15th going south. They all still go 35!

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 02:56 PM
You mean the damned one with the longer runways, more room to expand, newer terminal buildings, and more airline service than Tulsa? You been sipping on the AA kool aid before posting again? Gimme some, I bet it tastes like double eagle. :)

Don't you only have one terminal building? The Waco airport seems almost as big.

And Tulsa's terminal buildings may be older, but they just had a major overhaul and refurbishing. It's looking pretty damned nice these days.

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 02:57 PM
A real Govenor like Frank, or Hank or David? He is about as good as we have had in awhile.
Frank was great.
I do like the fact that Henry does very very little. I can respect doing nothing than doing something and not doing it well or doing more harm than good.

OSUAggie
5/2/2007, 03:01 PM
Don't you only have one terminal building? The Waco airport seems almost as big.

And Tulsa's terminal buildings may be older, but they just had a major overhaul and refurbishing. It's looking pretty damned nice these days.

Will Rogers just had a 9-digit renovation, I think. It's still a piece of ****, though.

BlondeSoonerGirl
5/2/2007, 03:02 PM
Negging you is fun.

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 03:06 PM
Will Rogers just had a 9-digit renovation, I think. It's still a piece of ****, though.
Have they remodeled since late last year? That's the last time I was there and if that's their version of "remodeling" then they damned sure better get their money back.

****, the flight information on the monitors was out of date! It froze up or something and then screwed up all the flight numbers and times.

mdklatt
5/2/2007, 03:07 PM
TUL: 98 commercial operations/day
OKC: 100 commercial operations/day

OKC > TUL

OSUAggie
5/2/2007, 03:09 PM
TUL: 98 commercial operations/day
OKC: 100 commercial operations/day

OKC > TUL

Pretty impressive #'s considering the population difference...


Have they remodeled since late last year? That's the last time I was there and if that's their version of "remodeling" then they damned sure better get their money back.

****, the flight information on the monitors was out of date! It froze up or something and then screwed up all the flight numbers and times.

Hence the "it's still a piece of ****" portion. I think the renovation began 5 or 6 years ago.

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 03:10 PM
TUL: 98 commercial operations/day
OKC: 100 commercial operations/day

OKC > TUL

I'm sure the cook at McDonalds serves more people per day than say Wolfgang Puck but you'd be hard pressed to argue McDonalds cook>Wolfgang Puck.

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 03:13 PM
Hence the "it's still a piece of ****" portion. I think the renovation began 5 or 6 years ago.

See, and you have to be right because nobody knows quality like an Aggie! ;)

mdklatt
5/2/2007, 03:14 PM
Pretty impressive #'s considering the population difference...


I'm not sure if the TUL numbers include AA maintenance flights...is the AA maintenace base still open there?

OSUAggie
5/2/2007, 03:17 PM
Si.

mdklatt
5/2/2007, 03:20 PM
Si.

I've always wondered why they kept it open after building the maintenance base at Alliance.

yermom
5/2/2007, 03:23 PM
i almost forgot about the wall they should build to keep the Texicans out ;)

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 03:26 PM
i almost forgot about the wall they should build to keep the Texicans out ;)
Best answer.

OSUAggie
5/2/2007, 03:28 PM
i almost forgot about the wall they should build to keep the Texicans out ;)

Texicans build houses and help the market around here. We need more of 'em.

OSUAggie
5/2/2007, 03:29 PM
I've always wondered why they kept it open after building the maintenance base at Alliance.

I think they wondered that, too.

Vision 2025 gave them some sort of reason to stay, I believe.

BigRedJed
5/2/2007, 03:37 PM
Have they remodeled since late last year? That's the last time I was there and if that's their version of "remodeling" then they damned sure better get their money back... ...blah, blah, ignorant crap, blah, blah...
Well, actually, yes. The remodel was completed late last year. You probably went through a part of the old terminal, which was still in use until right up until the new terminal was completed. And the new airport design was specifically so that it could be easily expanded to accomodate many times more departures/deplanements than it currently does, with the current terminal being replicated as needed.

As for the finish of the building, it's now world-class. Better than 95% of the dozens of airports I have flown through. I can't really speak to the Tulsa airport, because I haven't flown through there in more than 20+ years, similar to the 99.99% of Americans who have never flown through Tulsa at all.

You can see photos of the new terminal, etc. here (http://www.flyokc.com/index.aspx?page=progress). But don't let facts get in your way.

yermom
5/2/2007, 03:37 PM
Texicans build houses and help the market around here. We need more of 'em.

that was more of a shot at people from Texass than it is on illegal aliens :texan:

BigRedJed
5/2/2007, 03:38 PM
I think they wondered that, too.

Vision 2025 gave them some sort of reason to stay, I believe.
Yeah. It's called taxpayer-funded corporate welfare. And grovelling. I guess that's two reasons.

OSUAggie
5/2/2007, 03:41 PM
this is more of a shot at people from Texass than it is on illegal aliens :texan:

Mine was more of a comment on 2nd generation Texans of Messican heritage that move north and start eateries in between building houses.

I didn't know white :texan:s came up here.

yermom
5/2/2007, 03:43 PM
we have one in this thread :D

Tulsa_Fireman
5/2/2007, 04:04 PM
Yeah. It's called taxpayer-funded corporate welfare. And grovelling. I guess that's two reasons.

Sad thing is, with Williams tanking, Citgo bailing, and the Tulsa corporate establishment disappearing at an amazing rate, American had Tulsa exactly where they wanted them. At gunpoint with a clip full of local jobs. And at that particular point in time, I'm a firm believer that adding the loss of American Airlines' employment would've been the mercy bullet to the head of a bleeding man. As in, the death of Tulsa as we know it as more and more sales tax dollars disappear to the suburban communities and ad valorem revenues dwindle to tribal and church acquisition.

Which is why we're exactly where we're at now, in my opinion.

But then again, I'm a firm believer in givin' the business man a break simply for the fact that he's putting people to work. Creating a business friendly environment by easing the taxation and development burden somewhat. But that's just me.

Jeopardude
5/2/2007, 04:07 PM
I would like to see us have a REAL governor, instead of the feckless "boy-governor" we have now.

Please, Governor Gump, sign the immigration reform bill!

Brad Henry is more metal than you can handle.

mikeelikee
5/2/2007, 04:37 PM
Brad Henry is more metal than you can handle.

Metal, maybe. Mettle, not so much.

Let's see if he continues on his recent veto-roll. In the last couple weeks, he's vetoed meaningful pro-life legislation, reasonable lawsuit reform legislation, and now he's probably waiting to hear what his political daddy (Drew Edmondson) tells him he should do about the critical illegal immigration reform bill sitting on his desk.

:rolleyes:

JohnnyMack
5/2/2007, 04:42 PM
Arguing over who's got a better airport?

Wow.

And the answer is, neither one of them do.

TopDawg
5/2/2007, 04:48 PM
I'll go with whoever said better education system. That will eventually lead to most of the other things we want.

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 04:50 PM
I'll go with whoever said better education system. That will eventually lead to most of the other things we want.
That was me proving once again that I'm always right.

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 04:52 PM
That was me proving once again that I'm always right.

Except for just then ^.

Jeopardude
5/2/2007, 05:01 PM
... he's probably waiting to hear what his political daddy (Drew Edmonson) tells him he should do about the critical illegal immigration reform bill sitting on his desk.

:rolleyes:

Drew Edmondson's more metal than Brad Henry can handle. :D

TopDawg
5/2/2007, 05:18 PM
I wanna change my answer.

I'd change the new quarter.

OUAndy1807
5/2/2007, 08:21 PM
I'll go with whoever said better education system. That will eventually lead to most of the other things we want.
how is a better educational system going to get me some fresh seafood?

jk the sooner fan
5/2/2007, 08:35 PM
smarter fishermen

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 08:42 PM
smarter fishermen

We'd instantly lose them to Texas where they actually have a coast even if it is a dump.

Oklahoma seems to bring so many students into the state from Texas, it's a shame we can't keep them in OK. You don't see too many Oklahoma kids going to Texas for college (excluding me).

r5TPsooner
5/2/2007, 08:43 PM
It would have to be the aggressive drivers. I've only been here a month but damn, Okies sure have gotten aggressive on the road since I've been gone.

SicEmBaylor
5/2/2007, 08:45 PM
It would have to be the aggressive drivers. I've only been here a month but damn, Okies sure have gotten aggressive on the road since I've been gone.
They're in a hurry to get to Texas to work! :texan:

finster
5/2/2007, 09:15 PM
Is it too much to ask for one damn cow on my states quarter?

OUAndy1807
5/2/2007, 10:09 PM
who turned my lighthearted, fun thread into a 3 page thread of seriousness?

sanantoniosooner
5/2/2007, 10:14 PM
who turned my lighthearted, fun thread into a 3 page thread of seriousness?
:O

GrapevineSooner
5/2/2007, 10:24 PM
Better hotels. :mad:

And update the damn Omniplex while you're at it.

Octavian
5/2/2007, 10:30 PM
Turnpikes. If you live here, no explanation is needed.


Trains: it'd be cool to have a commuter train that ran from OKC to Tulsa everyday. It's a huge hit on the east coast in BosWash. You can't get a flight from OKC to Tulsa. The turnpikes are a sham. A lot of people do business and visit friends and family back and forth between Tulsa and OKC every week. It'd be nice to just kick back and let the train take us. People could leave their cars in one place (just like an airport) and pick em up when they got back. Funnel the money to the school or wherever.

picasso
5/2/2007, 10:31 PM
Turnpikes. If you live here, no explanation is needed.


Trains: it'd be cool to have a commuter train that ran from OKC to Tulsa everyday. It's a huge hit on the east coast in BosWash. You can't get a flight from OKC to Tulsa. The turnpikes are a sham. A lot of people do business and visit friends and family back and forth between Tulsa and OKC every week. It'd be nice to just kick back and let the train take us. People could leave their cars in one place (just like an airport) and pick em up when they got back. Funnel the money to the school or wherever.
they've talked about doing that.

Sooner24
5/2/2007, 10:39 PM
The wind.

I would crank it down 5-10 mph.

Octavian
5/2/2007, 10:39 PM
they've talked about doing that.


I think it'd be popular...especially among elderly people who aren't comfortable on the highways...and with the rising cost of gasoline...


it could be lucrative for the state if they made an investment.

Octavian
5/2/2007, 10:41 PM
and nekkid Wednesdays.


but just for college co-eds.

OUTromBoNado
5/2/2007, 10:43 PM
If I could change one thing about Oklahoma...
I'd get rid of all the damn closet-Whorn fans that only make appearances every 35 years when their football team finally does something mildly interesting...even though we've accomplished the same feat several times in those 35 years.


Arguing over who's got a better airport?

Wow.

And the answer is, neither one of them do.

Denver. Smooth runways let me tell you.

goingoneight
5/2/2007, 11:03 PM
Put in a BIG ORANGE SPORTS AND IMPORTS!!! :D

Nah... seriously...

Roads, education system through grade school, drivers tests every four years for everybody-- minimum age 18 to drive, 6 point or higher, rename OSU "Aggy Lite" for fun, and put in a gawdamn tourist attraction outside of OU that isn't tragedy-related.

Oh, yeah... kick bandwagon Hook 'em lovers out of the state. :D

goingoneight
5/2/2007, 11:04 PM
We'd instantly lose them to Texas where they actually have a coast even if it is a dump.

Oklahoma seems to bring so many students into the state from Texas, it's a shame we can't keep them in OK. You don't see too many Oklahoma kids going to Texas for college (excluding me).


Well, they're not THAT stupid. :D

yermom
5/2/2007, 11:18 PM
Turnpikes. If you live here, no explanation is needed.


Trains: it'd be cool to have a commuter train that ran from OKC to Tulsa everyday. It's a huge hit on the east coast in BosWash. You can't get a flight from OKC to Tulsa. The turnpikes are a sham. A lot of people do business and visit friends and family back and forth between Tulsa and OKC every week. It'd be nice to just kick back and let the train take us. People could leave their cars in one place (just like an airport) and pick em up when they got back. Funnel the money to the school or wherever.

at least hook us into the AmTrak stuff

Norman -> OKC -> Tulsa -> KC would be the shizz

TopDaugIn2000
5/2/2007, 11:19 PM
The wind.

I would crank it down 25-30 mph.

fixed

SicEmBaylor
5/4/2007, 12:29 AM
For those of you interested, since it has been mentioned a few times, the Texas House just voted down the tribal gaming bill about 10 minutes ago.

You can watch the floor proceedings live on the Texas Legislature website. They're earning their pay tonight (sorta)!

Okla-homey
5/4/2007, 05:25 AM
For those of you interested, since it has been mentioned a few times, the Texas House just voted down the tribal gaming bill about 10 minutes ago.

You can watch the floor proceedings live on the Texas Legislature website. They're earning their pay tonight (sorta)!

That's good for Oklahoma tribes and Oklahoma IMHO. Joe Bob and Thelma will have to keep crossing the Red or Sabine to play the slots. :texan:

SicEmBaylor
5/4/2007, 05:46 PM
That's good for Oklahoma tribes and Oklahoma IMHO. Joe Bob and Thelma will have to keep crossing the Red or Sabine to play the slots. :texan:

Well that or they'll go Cajun. I don't mean to sound uh...morbid or anything but I wonder if the number of people visiting OK casinos increased as a result of Louisiana being virtually wiped out by Katrina. I'm not sure how hard hit Shreveport was.

royalfan5
5/4/2007, 05:48 PM
Well that or they'll go Cajun. I don't mean to sound uh...morbid or anything but I wonder if the number of people visiting OK casinos increased as a result of Louisiana being virtually wiped out by Katrina. I'm not sure how hard hit Shreveport was.
Do you know where Shreveport is geographically located in relation to Katrina's path?

CUinNC
5/4/2007, 05:50 PM
[QUOTE

This question is open to Oklahoma residents only.[/QUOTE]

Rassist !!:D

SicEmBaylor
5/4/2007, 06:00 PM
Do you know where Shreveport is geographically located in relation to Katrina's path?

Yes, but I know they had a **** load of wind damage because one of my friends lives in Orange, TX just across the border and they had not an insignificant amount of damage to their home just from weakened winds. Plus, I believe Rita, though much less devestating of course, was in the path.

royalfan5
5/4/2007, 06:04 PM
Yes, but I know they had a **** load of wind damage because one of my friends lives in Orange, TX just across the border and they had not an insignificant amount of damage to their home just from weakened winds. Plus, I believe Rita, though much less devestating of course, was in the path.
There were no practical effects to the Shreveport casino industry.

yermom
5/4/2007, 07:09 PM
i haven't heard good things about the Shreveport casinos lately though

the Horseshoe was nice when i was there in '98

i hear they don't even have poker there anymore though

the others were kinda dumpy