How come women do little time for murder?

[Jerk]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/19/winkler.trial/index.html

You know, if the roles were reversed, and she was dead and he was on trial, it's almost certain he'd ride the lightening.

3 years? For killing someone in cold blood?

I'm really starting to regret teaching my wife how to use my 870 Remington.

[Rogue]

So called "crimes of passion" have low recidivism rates. So, the perps aren't as much a threat to society as it were. OK, I got very little.

[Okla-homey]

Did you read the article bro?


But Mary Winkler described nearly a decade of marital abuse when she took the witness stand on Wednesday. She said he struck and kicked her, "screamed and hollered" at her, criticized her, blamed her when things went wrong and made her watch pornography and wear "slutty" costumes for sex. She also said he forced her to submit to sex acts that made her uncomfortable....


...A defense psychologist testified that Mary Winkler was depressed, showed classic symptoms of post-traumatic stress syndrome, and was unable to form the intent to kill because of years of abuse.

I ain't saying she gets a pass, because she didn't. But that sort of stuff is often mitigating to a jury.

[Jerk]

Did you read the article bro?



I ain't saying she gets a pass, because she didn't. But that sort of stuff is often mitigating to a jury.

Well, if half that's true, then, yeah, who cares if she only got 3 years.

[soonerboomer93]

The jury of 10 women and two men began deliberations about 11 a.m. ET; the verdict was handed down about 6:30 p.m. ET...

Some of the jurors wept when the Winklers' oldest daughter, Patricia, testified for the prosecution about her father's slaying. The 9-year-old said she heard a loud boom and a thump. When she ran into the bedroom, she saw her father's body lying on the floor.

The child said she had never seen her father mistreat her mother.


So they women were kinda in a conundrum, because well, the sexual stuff a child probably wouldn't have knowledge of...

[StoopTroup]

The worst of it is the 9 year old saw the crime scene.

I can't imagine what her life will be like now.

If and when the Mother gets to see the kids again...

She'll have lots to explain as to why she decided to end his life.

I hope they can forgive her...

[Penguin]

There's only one thing you can do with an abusive husband. Kill him or he'll kill you someday. It happens every single time.

If he was raping and hitting his wife, what do you think he was doing with the kids?

I would have recommended probation and held a parade.

[olevetonahill]

There's only one thing you can do with an abusive husband. Kill him or he'll kill you someday. It happens every single time.

If he was raping and hitting his wife, what do you think he was doing with the kids?

I would have recommended probation and held a parade.

I concur with that . IF he was guolty of that kinda abuse to her . Hell even if she had succesfully DEvorced his *** , he woulda just married some other poor woman . :eek:
Now did Yall see her PIC ? hell Id had to have some pron and roll playing type stuff to even think of hittin it .
The other Prob I have is he was shot in the back.

[Penguin]

I concur with that . IF he was guolty of that kinda abuse to her .

That's the thing about family secrets. Nobody outside the family suspects that junk is going on. I get the feeling it would be impossible to prove to some of you that stuff like this happens.

Abuse in the family is America's secret tragedy. Nobody talks about it and nobody wants to believe it.

[MojoRisen]

She shot him in the back- Cold Hearted

[Okla-homey]

The worst of it is the 9 year old saw the crime scene.

I can't imagine what her life will be like now.

If and when the Mother gets to see the kids again...

She'll have lots to explain as to why she decided to end his life.

I hope they can forgive her...

Not necessarily. Kids are pretty resilient.

True story, and believe me, this is from deep in the Homey Hillbilly Files. In about 1911 or so, my maternal grandfather, and all the other kiddoes in the household too, witnessed the eldest brother, who was 17 at the time, shoot their father who was drunk and threatening to stab their mother with a butcher knife. He later died. This all went down on their farm in rural Carter County near Lone Grove. The kid, my great uncle, was arrested but never charged.

No crap. They all turned out fine. They endured the Depression, went to war in WWII, came home, raised families and built great lives.

Bad stuff happens, and it sucks when kids witness it, but it doesn't necessarily injure them permanently.

[olevetonahill]

That's the thing about family secrets. Nobody outside the family suspects that junk is going on. I get the feeling it would be impossible to prove to some of you that stuff like this happens.

Abuse in the family is America's secret tragedy. Nobody talks about it and nobody wants to believe it.

Nope I dont have a ptob believing it .
I used to be cop I know that shat happens .

[Condescending Sooner]

Did you read the article bro?



I ain't saying she gets a pass, because she didn't. But that sort of stuff is often mitigating to a jury.


She SAID there was abuse, no proof. The daughter said she never saw it. I guess if a wife kills her husband, she just needs to claim abuse, whether it actually occurred or not.

[OCUDad]

I'm really starting to regret teaching my wife how to use my 870 Remington.Can I have your truck?

[Osce0la]

The worst of it is the 9 year old saw the crime scene.

I can't imagine what her life will be like now.

If and when the Mother gets to see the kids again...

She'll have lots to explain as to why she decided to end his life.

I hope they can forgive her...
A girl I went to school with was murdered by her husband a couple of months ago...About a week after she died her son finally told her mom (his grandmother) that he walked into his parent's room and saw his dad holding a pillow over his moms face...he had told him to stop and his dad apparently turned to him and told him "if you tell anyone I'll kill you too"...:(

The kid saw his father murdering his mother and was too scared to say anything to anyone...I can't imagine how that is going to effect his life...

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I think they felt sorry for her because he made her do seks and stuff. Supposedly deviant seks, but they never explained it. Then the shotgun went off by its own as she pointed it at him. She didn't pull the trigger you know...

Yeah right...

[Widescreen]

If he had abused her, I'm for a lenient sentence. I wonder how the defense proved that he was this monster? If all it takes is for a chick to say she was abused, that's a pretty bad precedent. And also the shooting in the back and the claim that she didn't pull the trigger are marks against her story.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

If he was raping and hitting his wife, what do you think he was doing with the kids?

Nothing was ever mentioned about this, just some crazy defense lawyer mumbo-jumbo about "uncomfortable" seks...The 9-y.o. said she never saw any abuse, not saying there wasn't any, but I'm thinking some of it is a smoke screen to hide her check kiting and possible Nigerian scam she was involved in. I mean she blew through her own $5K account and was trying to cover other funds...The banker told her it was check kiting and had a meeting with the husband the day he was killed...

[SoonerStormchaser]

The answer to the original question is simple:
http://www.shandyking.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/image1110931g.jpg

"Too pretty for prison."

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Yeah, but minister killer doesn't look that good...

[Okla-homey]

Yeah, but minister killer doesn't look that good...

You haven't seen her in the platinum wig, stripper shoes and body glitter.

[MamaMia]

She SAID there was abuse, no proof. The daughter said she never saw it. I guess if a wife kills her husband, she just needs to claim abuse, whether it actually occurred or not.
4 points...
The posts about the little girls testimony bring a question to mind. Who have the children been living with all this time? Unfortunately, most nine year old children are very brain washable.

The whole 5000.- check writing thing was coming up and she may have thought he would kill her if he knew, considering all the other things he did to her. This may have been some kind of sick self defense.

I'm inclined to wonder if she ought to be put away in a mental hospital for longer than that prison sentence. Not that shes terminally crazy but because I think she is temporarily insane and needs constant counseling for a while.

Its just horrible that the children were in the house when this happened but had the mother of made plans for them to be elsewhere, it would have been premeditated. As far as shooting him in the back...She should have kicked his *** over first.

By the way, I read somewhere that on the average, women usually do more time for murder than men do.

[Widescreen]

By the way, I read somewhere that on the average, women usually do more time for murder than men do.
Simple math for this day and age of equality.

If 300 women commit murder in a year and 10,000 men commit murder during the same year, for equality's sake, the jailtime has to be the same. So if those 10,000 men yield 100,000 total years in jail, each woman would logically have to serve 333 1/3 years in jail. You can thank NOW for this.

;)

[Okla-homey]

Another statistical tidbit. Per capita, Oklahoma has more wimmens locked-up than any other state. That's just how Okies roll I guess.

[Howzit]

She's walking soon. Unbelievable.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/14/preacher.slain/index.html



(CNN) -- After spending a total of seven months in custody, the Tennessee woman who fatally shot her preacher husband in the back will be released as early as today.
http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/law/08/14/preacher.slain/art.winkler.jpg Holding baby Breanna, Mary Winkler stands next to Matthew. In the foreground are Mary Alice and Patricia.


Mary Winkler, a 33-year-old mother of three girls, is expected to be freed from a mental health facility today or Wednesday, lawyer Steve Farese told CNN.

Farese said his client will not talk to the news media because she continues to wage a legal battle to win custody of her girls and faces a $2 million civil suit filed by the parents of of her slain husband, Matthew Winkler.

Mary Winkler likely will return to work at the dry cleaners in McMinnville, Tennessee, where she worked before the trial, Farese said.
Winkler served about five months in county jail as she awaited trial, then spent two months undergoing therapy at a Tennessee mental health facility following her conviction for voluntary manslaughter.

Winkler (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/mary_winkler) never denied shooting her husband, Matthew, the popular new preacher at the Fourth Street Church of Christ in Selmer, a town of 4,500 people about 80 miles east of Memphis.

On March 22, 2006, church elders found his body -- with a shotgun wound to the back -- in the bedroom of the parsonage after he failed to show up for an evening service. His wife was arrested the next day with the couple's three young daughters in Orange Beach, Alabama, on the Gulf coast.

Mary Winkler was charged with murder, which could have sent her to prison for up to 60 years, but a jury found her guilty of voluntary manslaughter following an emotional trial in which she testified about suffering years of verbal and physical abuse.

In a statement to police after her arrest, Winkler said she didn't recall pulling the trigger .She said she apologized and wiped the blood that bubbled from her dying husband's lips as he asked, "Why?"

Prosecutors and Matthew Winkler's family members said he was a good husband and father.

But on the stand, Mary Winkler described a hellish 10-year marriage during which, she said, her husband struck her, screamed at her, criticized her and blamed her when things went wrong. She said he made her watch pornography and wear "slutty" costumes for sex, and that he forced her to submit to sex acts that made her uncomfortable.

She testified she pointed the shotgun at her husband during an argument to force him to talk through their problems, and "something went off."

A defense psychologist testified that she was depressed and showed classic symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.
Mary Winkler initially received a three-year sentence in June. But Circuit Court Judge J. Weber McCraw required that she serve only 210 days, and allowed her to serve the rest of the time on probation.

She also received credit for five months she spent behind bars awaiting trial, which left only about 60 days to her sentence. McCraw ruled she could serve the time in a mental health facility.

Since Mary Winkler's arrest, the couple's three children have been cared for by Matthew Winkler's parents, who have filed court papers seeking to terminate her parental rights.

[Mjcpr]

That is the worst copy/paste job I have ever seen.

[Howzit]

Quit stalking me and give me a minute.

Punkin.