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Okla-homey
4/11/2007, 06:29 AM
Despite what the a$$-hat who is currently running Iran would have you believe...

April 11, 1945: The U.S. army liberates Buchenwald concentration camp

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62 years ago on this day in 1945, the American Third Army liberates the Buchenwald concentration camp, near Weimar, Germany, a camp that will be judged second only to Auschwitz in the horrors it imposed on its prisoners.

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The photo above was taken from inside the gatehouse at the Buchenwald concentration camp, looking out at the administration building outside the camp; the sign on the gate can only be read from the inside. In English, it means "To Each his Own," or "Everyone gets what he deserves."

Buchenwald was a Class II for hard-core political prisoners, mainly Communists, who were considered to be harder to "rehabilitate." Consequently, conditions in the Buchenwald camp were more severe than at Dachau, which was a Class I camp where many prisoners were released after being brain-washed into accepting such Nazi principles as obedience and hard work. The sign over the iron gate at the Class I Dachau camp read "Arbeit Macht Frei" or Work Brings Freedom.

As American forces closed in on the Nazi concentration camp at Buchenwald, Geheime Staatspolizei ("Gestapo") headquarters in the nearby city of Weimar telephoned the camp administration to announce that it was sending explosives to blow up any evidence of the camp--including its inmates.

This measure was deemed necessary to destroy damning evidence of the crimes committed there, especially since the camp had run out of coal to run the crematory ovens due to the effect of Allied strategic bombing. Thousands of emaciated corpses littered the camp environment.

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Post-liberation photo by US Army photographer

What the Gestapo did not know was that the camp administrators and SS guard force had already fled in fear of the Allies. A prisoner answered the phone and informed headquarters that explosives would not be needed, as the camp had already been blown up, which, of course, was not true.

The 9th Armored Infantry Battalion, Sixth Armored Division reached the nearby town of Hottelstedt at noon. SS guards were found in the town and a small contingent of American soldiers was sent to investigate the location of a possible concentration camp. They stumbled upon Buchenwald and liberated 21,000 prisoners.

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The "Super Sixth"

The camp held thousands of prisoners, mostly slave laborers. The camp also had fairly recently received thousands of Jewish prisoners transferred from camps in Poland and elsewhere in the Nazi Empire who had been moved to camps in Germany ahead of advancing Allied forces.

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Since Buchenwald was primarily a place where inmates were literally worked to death, there were no gas chambers, but hundreds, sometimes thousands, died monthly from disease, malnutrition, beatings, and executions. Nazi doctors performed medical experiments on inmates, testing the effects of viral infections and vaccines on their human guinea pigs.

After the camp's liberation by US forces, the sight of the ovens and the dead bodies scattered around enraged the American soldiers. They released some of the prisoners so that they could hunt down the guards, who were still hiding in the woods outside the camp. Approximately 80 SS guards were brought back to the camp and summarily executed by the prisoners, while some of the enraged American soldiers joined in.

Among the camp's most gruesome characters was Ilse Koch, wife of the camp commandant, who was infamous for her sadism. She often beat prisoners with a riding crop, and collected lampshades, book covers, and gloves made from the skin of camp victims.

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Frau Koch became known as the "Bitch of Buchenwald" and only escaped execution after her conviction during the post-war tribunals by managing to become pregnant while in pre-trial custody. Instead, she received a life sentence and hanged herself in prison in 1967.

Among those saved by the Americans was Elie Wiesel, who would go on to win a Nobel Peace Prize in 1986.

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Nobel Laureate Elie Wiesel greeting His Holiness the Dalai Lama for the Conference of Nobel Laureates on May 17th 2005.

landrun
4/11/2007, 06:49 AM
Thanks. A very sobering reminder of how evil people can be.

I was amazed to read that the prisoners were allowed to kill the guards and the US troops joined in. I think that is fair and just and good in every way.

Could you imaged the Dems and the ACLU today? They're would be outrage at these prisoners and US troops and calls for war crime trials against them. :rolleyes:

Okla-homey
4/11/2007, 06:58 AM
Thanks. A very sobering reminder of how evil people can be.

I was amazed to read that the prisoners were allowed to kill the guards and the US troops joined in. I think that is fair and just and good in every way.

Could you imaged the Dems and the ACLU today? They're would be outrage at these prisoners and US troops and calls for war crime trials against them. :rolleyes:

This is still debated today. My international law prof shared that in the wake of WWII, Winston Churchill stated that it would be better just to summarily execute these war criminals instead of engaging in expensive and drawn-out ad hoc international tribunals (E.g. Nuremberg).

Given the fact relatively few were convicted by the Nuremberg tribunals and given the massive scope and scale of the attrocities committed by the Nazi's, Churchill may have been right. The fear of summary execution if busted for war crimes/crimes against humanity might have a greater deterrent effect than the fear of a lengthy trial and a prison term.

This is especially so since so many Nazi convicts were later quietly released from prison by post-war Germany after things cooled down in the sixties.

landrun
4/11/2007, 07:02 AM
How can you let someone go free who is responsible for stuff like this? :(

Harry Beanbag
4/11/2007, 07:05 AM
This is still debated today. My international law prof shared that in the wake of WWII, Winston Churchill stated that it would be better just to summarily execute these war criminals instead of engaging in expensive and drawn-out ad hoc international tribunals (E.g. Nuremberg).

Given the fact relatively few were convicted by the Nuremberg tribunals and given the massive scope and scale of the attrocities committed by the Nazi's, Churchill may have been right. The fear of summary execution if busted for war crimes/crimes against humanity might have a greater deterrent effect than the fear of a lengthy trial and a prison term.

This is especially so since so many Nazi convicts were later quietly released from prison by post-war Germany after things cooled down in the sixties.


Winston Churchill was a smart man.

Xstnlsooner
4/11/2007, 07:07 AM
I didn't visit a concentration camp when I was in Deutscheland,
but one of my most memorable and sobering days while living
in Israel was the day I spent at Yad Vashem, the holocaust museum
there. As I grow older, I become less and less surprised at the
atrocities man inflicts upon man and at the depravity of man.

C&CDean
4/11/2007, 09:00 AM
Homey,

Why are you posting such meaningless drivel when there's really bad stuff happening like Anna and Imus. Shame upon you.







If y'all ever get a chance to visit the Holocaust Museum in D.C., do it. I think every American should go through there at least once. It will give you a whole new perspective on "outrage."

picasso
4/11/2007, 09:08 AM
If y'all ever get a chance to visit the Holocaust Museum in D.C., do it. I think every American should go through there at least once. It will give you a whole new perspective on "outrage."
I've been twice. the last time was the day we beat oSu 52-9 in '03. that day was special because all living survivors were invited back there to be honored. I got to hear many stories first hand. it was incredible.

I noticed at my old lady's Dad's on Easter that they had a big book from there ,complete with photos I had never seen.
I guess I've never wanted to check the gift shop there.

picasso
4/11/2007, 09:13 AM
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Nobel Laureate Elie Wiesel greeting His Holiness the Dalai Lama for the Conference of Nobel Laureates on May 17th 2005.
Big hitter the Lama.

XingTheRubicon
4/11/2007, 09:24 AM
long

TUSooner
4/11/2007, 09:30 AM
Good one, Homey. If we ever stop being disgusted by that, we are lost. (Example - Ahmedinejad, et al.)

NormanPride
4/11/2007, 10:26 AM
Simply amazing. It's important to note that the potential for atrocities exists in ALL governments, and it is the responsibility of its people to make sure they do not happen.

SoonerStormchaser
4/11/2007, 10:46 AM
Went to the Holocaust Museum back in 99...that room with all the shoes got to me...BIG TIME.

The real sad thing is that ****wad in Iran would also have you believe that he and the Pokes don't have secks with sheep and goats.

Dio
4/11/2007, 12:50 PM
If y'all ever get a chance to visit the Holocaust Museum in D.C., do it. I think every American should go through there at least once. It will give you a whole new perspective on "outrage."

Never been there, but I've been to Dachau. ****ed me right the hell off.

C&CDean
4/11/2007, 01:09 PM
I went to the Holocaust Museum the first week it opened. That was before they got all PC and hid the really gruesome stuff - because you know somewhere, some German was gonna get offended...

Anyhow, it was one of the most gut-wrenching, raw, and emotional experiences I've ever had. Worse than a funeral. I could almost feel that I was one of those people piled up in those bunks staring at the camera all slack-jawed and big-eyed, starving to death. I almost had one of those serious deja-vu dealios where I thought "damn, I was there." Weird stuff.

The dead bodies didn't bother me near as much as the looks on the faces of the "living." And the smirks on the faces of some of the guards. The names, the shoes, the sheer numbers of people tortured and slaughtered just for being born a jew or other "inferior" race. And of course they were equal-opportunity murderers cause they also killed fags, gypsies, commies, and a few other assorted "inferiors."

And now they build ****ty cars - and Americans buy them up. Hell, there's a nice Jewish boy on this board who drives a POS BMW even. Anne Frank must be rolling over in her grave...

soonerscuba
4/11/2007, 01:29 PM
Maybe it's like Patty Hearst siding with her kidnappers, maybe it's like South African miners killing diamond wearing gangsta rappers...

C&CDean
4/11/2007, 04:23 PM
Yeah. Maybe.

Rogue
4/11/2007, 08:43 PM
And now they build ****ty cars - and Americans buy them up. Hell, there's a nice Jewish boy on this board who drives a POS BMW even. Anne Frank must be rolling over in her grave...

"They" aren't the Nazis anymore, are they? Hell, "they" are, in part, Daimler-Chrysler now. Interesting you bring this up and interesting Homey posts it today after the Bataan Death March lesson yesterday. Another "they" is Mitsui or Mitsubishi Int'l who used American POWs as slave labor in Japan back then. Interesting that Chrysler was one of the first to buy loads and loads of Mitsubishi engines back in the '80s. Part of Iacocca's reinvention with the K-cars and such. I'm all for buying American, but it's hard to know who "we" are and who "they" are in the new global economy. :confused:

I need to see the Holocaust Memorial Museum. I've heard several times that "the shoes" are disturbing.

Another great one Homey.

Rogue
4/11/2007, 08:44 PM
Maybe it's like Patty Hearst siding with her kidnappers, maybe it's like South African miners killing diamond wearing gangsta rappers...

Stockholm syndrome and...um...revenge?

soonerscuba
4/11/2007, 09:01 PM
Go rent "Jesus Is Magic"

YWIA.

picasso
4/11/2007, 09:42 PM
they were showing the medical experiment films when I last visited. you had to be a certain height to be able to see them. they still on? it was right past the reconstructed bunks from Auschwitz.