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FaninAma
3/16/2007, 10:13 AM
Interesting statistics from the author's website.. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/5225/surviving_frame.htm



It's OK to Be a Man!
"What I really liked about the book is that it made me feel 'confided in'. I felt like someone had finally taken me aside and given me the low-down. Like an uncle I never had...your book helped me become aware of where my anger was, gave me permission to feel it, and broke up big chunks of it that can be worked through...Another high-minded, politically correct book would never have helped me get through that phase. I'd have stayed stuck."

- Michael Hickman, Mission Viejo, Belize

Is Equality only about Money and Political Power?
Or is it also about Human Relationships?
If so, how come women have made such tremendous strides toward achieving equality in the arenas of money and power, while men have made almost no progress toward equality in the arena of human relationships? What do we mean by human relationships?

Divorce, custody, reproductive rights:
How come 85% of the children of divorce end up in the custody of their mothers? How come fathers are still not regarded as "equal" parents to their children? How come families receiving Welfare prohibit the father from being present? How did abortion come to be a "woman's" right to choose instead of a "parent's" right to choose?
Crime and sentencing:
How come women routinely receive 50% less jail time for committing the same crime as a man? How come women can utilize the "abuse excuse" and men can't -- a woman can shoot her husband, plead in court that he abused her, and receive a light sentence -- but a man can't shoot his wife and get away with that? How come when a woman and a man face off in court, and it's his word against hers, she is believed and he isn't? Is it possible we still regard women as being "morally superior" to men? Despite all historical evidence to the contrary, do we still believe women are less likely to lie or cheat or manufacture deceptions?
Health care:
How come 19 out of 20 people who die on the job are men? How come women live 8 years longer than men? How come 4 out 5 suicides are men? How come 85% of the homeless are men? How come breast cancer funding receives 5 times more support than prostate cancer funding even though they both kill about the same number of people each year? How come, since domestic violence is a 50/50 proposition -- just as many women beat up men as men beat up women -- government funds women's shelters and not men's shelters?
Military Draft:
How come women can be Senators and Supreme Court Justices and Secretaries of State, and yet they never have to register for the Selective Service to defend the very form of government that allows them these high privileges? Are we creating an Aristocracy of Women? If our society permitted a special category of men who were born into a privileged position whereby they were never expected to perform hard physical labor nor fight in time of war, would we not consider these men a class of aristocrats? Why is it different for women?
The Real Problem Between Men and Women
The real problem between men and women can be traced to the fact that the pundits of popular culture have turned everything upside down. They have managed to completely misunderstand men's nature and women's nature, male traits and female traits.
"Mater", the Latin word for mother, is the root word of materialism. For thousands of years human beings have known that women are more materialistic than men. And yet we live in a culture which tells us men are the materialists. But if men are object-oriented and women are people-oriented how come six times more retail space is devoted to women's personal items than to men's items? And how come men play team sports? We believe that women are intuitive and men are logical, but where does our art and music and literature come from if not male intuition -- those rarefied abstract sortés into intuitive realms?
Psychology has taught us that our "masculine side" is aggressive and domineering and territorial and our "feminine side" is kind and caring and sharing. Where's the proof of this? Haven't any of these people had dealings with female lawyers or realtors or advertising executives? My "kind, caring, sharing" side is my "kind, caring, sharing side", not my "female side".
Women are widely believed to be more "spiritual" than men. "Morally superior" to men. What hole did they pull this out of? Far and away most of the noted spiritual and moral leaders of all time have been men. Women are just as greedy and manipulative and self-serving as men -- maybe moreso. Men are larger than women so they manipulate women physically. Women are smaller so they manipulate men emotionally. The emotional manipulation of men by women is the unspoken abuse of our era. Denying men's worth, trivializing our contributions, misrepresenting our character, and above all, shaming us, has got to stop -- or we will never be able to disarm the war between the sexes. Women cannot exalt themselves by putting us down.

FaninAma
3/16/2007, 10:18 AM
And don't neg me for providing the link. It is an interesting can of worms....er, discussion. :cool:

mdklatt
3/16/2007, 10:49 AM
The "equal rights" movement is a joke all the way around. Nobody really wants equality, they want it better than everybody else.

EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN! But we'll be damned if we're going to pay for dinner.

Fugue
3/16/2007, 10:50 AM
:pop:

FaninAma
3/16/2007, 11:00 AM
19 out 20 people who die on the job are men. I knew there was a good reason to quit my job.

jk the sooner fan
3/16/2007, 11:08 AM
men are also more likely to commit suicide

are we outnumbered by women yet? at least in the US?

Fugue
3/16/2007, 11:10 AM
men are also more likely to commit suicide

are we outnumbered by women yet? at least in the US?

with the way that all women constantly nag and whine, it's no wonder.

:pop:

jk the sooner fan
3/16/2007, 11:12 AM
i think of all the suicides i investigated, and the number is high......about 90% of them committed suicide over a woman........

yermom
3/16/2007, 11:22 AM
men are also more likely to commit suicide

are we outnumbered by women yet? at least in the US?

i'm pretty sure they do, probably worldwide

this kinda overlaps with an article i read about the feminization of our culture a while back, i'll have to look for it

Fugue
3/16/2007, 11:26 AM
with the way that all women constantly nag and whine, it's no wonder.

:pop:

I haven't been negged yet, what's wrong with this place? :texan:

The SO women must be in the kitchen gettin' me a beer. :D

yermom
3/16/2007, 11:28 AM
http://www.worldandi.com/public/2001/October/sax.html

the beginning talks about how Psychologists originally said that women never really became mature

now that all the Psychologists are women, they are starting to say the same things about us ;)

BlondeSoonerGirl
3/16/2007, 11:30 AM
I hope to learn a lot from this thread.

rufnek05
3/16/2007, 11:31 AM
this kinda overlaps with an article i read about the feminization of our culture a while back, i'll have to look for it

i don't need to see an article about that, just walk around or watch tv. just look at all the guys that act more like girls

SCOUT
3/16/2007, 11:32 AM
I am pretty sure it is all Oprah's fault.

leavingthezoo
3/16/2007, 11:33 AM
i don't need to see an article about that, just walk around or watch tv. just look at all the guys that act more like girls

just read soonfans for the same thing.


:D

Xstnlsooner
3/16/2007, 11:39 AM
My personal philosophy is to treat people basically the same, 'cept poke
fans. Of course, you relate differently to people according to various
factors; age, background, intelligence, culture. I don't blame anyone
else for what has happened or does happen to me. I made the choices
because I wanted to, no matter how ignorant or wrong I was. Hopefully,
learned something from them. People need to get past all the "crap"
and just be yourself and let others be the same.

heh

TexasLidig8r
3/16/2007, 11:40 AM
I have a difficult time taking serious any alleged "scholarly treatise" that uses the term, "How come . . ."

Or, perhaps that was the point.

Tailwind
3/16/2007, 11:48 AM
Why does there have to be a war between the sexes? We have enough common enemies.

Fugue
3/16/2007, 11:50 AM
Why does there have to be a war between the sexes? We have enough common enemies.

make up secks :texan:

FaninAma
3/16/2007, 11:51 AM
I have a difficult time taking serious any alleged "scholarly treatise" that uses the term, "How come . . ."

Or, perhaps that was the point.

He was trying to appeal to all of us knuckle-dragging neanderthals who have never figured out women and might buy his book.

Personally I've accepted my lot in life: work hard, get high blood pressure & heart disease, get rich & die before I can enjoy it and leave it all to my wife. I am living the American dream....woohoo!:D

mdklatt
3/16/2007, 12:05 PM
Why does there have to be a war between the sexes?


Angry sex. :texan:

SoonerGirl06
3/16/2007, 01:07 PM
I hope to learn a lot from this thread.

Me too. I'm sure it's going to be very enlightening to say the least.

SoonerGirl06
3/16/2007, 01:18 PM
Interesting statistics from the author's website.. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/5225/surviving_frame.htm


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You have got to be f^cking kidding me? Is this a joke or what?

Xstnlsooner
3/16/2007, 01:20 PM
Me too. I'm sure it's going to be very enlightening to say the least.

Learn something on SO?? Does that really happen here?

lol

NormanPride
3/16/2007, 01:21 PM
:pop:

SoonerGirl06
3/16/2007, 01:23 PM
Learn something on SO?? Does that really happen here?

lol

I've learned that it helps to be intoxicated when reading most of the posts on the SO. ;)

Fugue
3/16/2007, 01:25 PM
I've learned that it helps to be intoxicated when reading most of the posts on the SO. ;)


Well then toots, since you're up, grab me a Guinness. :D

StoopTroup
3/16/2007, 01:25 PM
Heh.


From Fan's link....

"Mater", the Latin word for mother, is the root word of materialism. For thousands of years human beings have known that women are more materialistic than men. And yet we live in a culture which tells us men are the materialists. But if men are object-oriented and women are people-oriented how come six times more retail space is devoted to women's personal items than to men's items? And how come men play team sports? We believe that women are intuitive and men are logical, but where does our art and music and literature come from if not male intuition -- those rarefied abstract sortés into intuitive realms?

Mjcpr
3/16/2007, 01:27 PM
http://dailyritalin.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/feminist.jpg

SoonerGirl06
3/16/2007, 01:29 PM
Well then toots, since you're up, grab me a Guinness. :D

Darling, just put your Man Card away and get it yourself. :D

Fugue
3/16/2007, 01:35 PM
Darling, just put your Man Card away and get it yourself. :D

but that will lead to this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/dayjavooodew/smileys/food/10_7_5.gif

SoonerGirl06
3/16/2007, 01:36 PM
but that will lead to this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/dayjavooodew/smileys/food/10_7_5.gif

But after a couple glasses of wine, I won't care. :D

BlondeSoonerGirl
3/16/2007, 01:37 PM
http://dailyritalin.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/feminist.jpg

Here, Pat...let a girl help you out with that crappy link...

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9895/feministgr6.jpg

Mjcpr
3/16/2007, 01:38 PM
It looks exactly the same to me. :D

rufnek05
3/16/2007, 01:39 PM
Here, Pat...let a girl help you out with that crappy link...

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9895/feministgr6.jpg.
lol. thats some funny ****

BlondeSoonerGirl
3/16/2007, 01:39 PM
It looks exactly the same to me. :D


Heh.

SoonerGirl06
3/16/2007, 01:47 PM
Heh.


From Fan's link....

Quote:
"Mater", the Latin word for mother, is the root word of materialism. For thousands of years human beings have known that women are more materialistic than men. And yet we live in a culture which tells us men are the materialists. But if men are object-oriented and women are people-oriented how come six times more retail space is devoted to women's personal items than to men's items? And how come men play team sports? We believe that women are intuitive and men are logical, but where does our art and music and literature come from if not male intuition -- those rarefied abstract sortés into intuitive realms?


That's about the most illogical male thinking I've ever read... are we sure SicEm didn't write this thing?

Xstnlsooner
3/16/2007, 02:02 PM
Life is a comedy and SO is the headlining show....

lol

TexasLidig8r
3/16/2007, 02:06 PM
Maybe, it's because of things like.. oh.. this!

AN OPEN LETTER TO
MR. JAMES THATCHER,
BRAND MANAGER,
PROCTER & GAMBLE.
- - - -
Dear Mr. Thatcher,

I have been a loyal user of your Always maxi pads for over 20 years, and I
appreciate many of their features. Why, without the LeakGuard Core or
Dri-Weave absorbency, I'd probably never go horseback riding or salsa
dancing, and I'd certainly steer clear of running up and down the beach in
tight, white shorts. But my favorite feature has to be your revolutionary
Flexi-Wings. Kudos on being the only company smart enough to realize how
crucial it is that maxi-pads be aerodynamic. I can't tell you how safe and
secure I feel each month knowing there's a little F-16 in my pants.

Have you ever had a menstrual period, Mr. Thatcher? Ever suffered from
"the curse"? I'm guessing you haven't. Well, my "time of the month" is
starting right now. As I type, I can already feel hormonal forces
violently surging through my body. Just a few minutes from now, my body
will adjust and I'll be transformed into what my husband likes to call "an
inbred hillbilly with knife skills." Isn't the human body amazing?
As brand manager in the feminine-hygiene division, you've no doubt seen
quite a bit of research on what exactly happens during your customers'
monthly visits from Aunt Flo. Therefore, you must know about the bloating,
puffiness, and cramping we endure, and about our intense mood swings,
crying jags, and out-of-control behavior. You surely realize it's a tough
time for most women. In fact, only last week, my friend Jennifer fought
the violent urge to shove her boyfriend's testicles into a George
Foreman Grill just because he told her he thought Grey's Anatomy was
written by drunken chimps. Crazy! The point is, sir, you of all people
must realize that America is just crawling with homicidal maniacs in capri
pants. Which brings me to the reason for my letter.

Last month, while in the throes of cramping so painful I wanted to reach
inside my body and yank out my uterus, I opened an Always maxi pad, and
there, printed on the adhesive backing, were these words: "Have a Happy
Period."

Are you kidding me? What I mean is, does any part of your tiny
middle-manager brain really think happiness - actual smiling, laughing
happiness - is possible during a menstrual period? Did anything mentioned
above sound the least bit pleasurable? Well, did it, James? FYI, unless
you're some kind of sick S&M freak girl, there will never be anything
"happy" about a day in which you have to jack yourself up on Motrin and
Kahlua and lock yourself in your house just so you don't march down to the
local Walgreens armed with a hunting rifle and a sketchy plan to end your
life in a blaze of glory. For the love of God, pull your head out, man. If
you just have to slap a moronic message on a maxi pad, wouldn't it make
more sense to say something that's actually pertinent, like "Put Down the
Hammer" or "Vehicular Manslaughter Is Wrong"? Or are you just picking on
us?

Sir, please inform your accounting department that, effective immediately,
there will be an $8 drop in monthly profits, for I have chosen to take my
maxi-pad business elsewhere. And though I will certainly miss your Flexi-Wings,
I will not for one minute miss your brand of condescending BS. And that's a
promise I will keep. Always.


Kari Reith
Regulatory Specialist
Radiant Research
11500 Northlake Dr., Suite 320
Cincinnati, OH 45249
tel 513-247-5598
fax 513-247-5588
email: [email protected] (http://webmaila.juno.com/webmail/new/8?folder=Junk%20Mail&msgNum=0000kX00:0015tQyq00001GLm&block=1&msgNature=all&msgStatus=all&count=1172721172&content=central)

website: http://www.radiantresearch.com (http://www.radiantresearch.com/)

FaninAma
3/16/2007, 02:19 PM
Maybe the author of the letter would have been happier if P&G put the following saying on their Maxi-pads: "Have you considered the alternative? You could be pregnant so quit your bitching."

SoonerGirl06
3/16/2007, 02:24 PM
Maybe the author of the letter would have been happier if P&G put the following saying on their Maxi-pads: "Have you considered the alternative? You could be pregnant so quit your bitching."

You're looking to pick a fight... aren't you? ;)

FaninAma
3/16/2007, 02:32 PM
You're looking to pick a fight... aren't you? ;)

Not really. I just like seeing who has a sense of humor and who is easily offended. I like to offend the easily offended.

For instance, I am middle-aged(damn I thought I would never say that about myself) white male, about 10 pounds over weight, opinionated, work in the health profession, married, enjoy the Coffee House station on Sirius Radio and am of Irish decent. There is a lot of potentially offensive material out there that could apply to me....if I let it.

I used to be a person who was easily offended, but the stress was killing me. So really the only one that was suffering from getting offended was me. :D

SoonerGirl06
3/16/2007, 02:56 PM
Not really. I just like seeing who has a sense of humor and who is easily offended. I like to offend the easily offended.

For instance, I am middle-aged(damn I thought I would never say that about myself) white male, about 10 pounds over weight, opinionated, work in the health profession, married, enjoy the Coffee House station on Sirius Radio and am of Irish decent. There is a lot of potentially offensive material out there that could apply to me....if I let it.

I used to be a person who was easily offended, but the stress was killing me. So really the only one that was suffering from getting offended was me. :D

Well, I'm not going to let a married, middle-aged, tubby, opinionated, healthcare professional, Irish male like you offend me... so there. :D ;)

Dio
3/16/2007, 02:59 PM
Maybe, it's because of things like.. oh.. this!

AN OPEN LETTER TO
MR. JAMES THATCHER,
BRAND MANAGER,
PROCTER & GAMBLE.
- - - -
Dear Mr. Thatcher,

I have been a loyal user of your Always maxi pads for over 20 years, and I
appreciate many of their features. Why, without the LeakGuard Core or
Dri-Weave absorbency, I'd probably never go horseback riding or salsa
dancing, and I'd certainly steer clear of running up and down the beach in
tight, white shorts. But my favorite feature has to be your revolutionary
Flexi-Wings. Kudos on being the only company smart enough to realize how
crucial it is that maxi-pads be aerodynamic. I can't tell you how safe and
secure I feel each month knowing there's a little F-16 in my pants.

Have you ever had a menstrual period, Mr. Thatcher? Ever suffered from
"the curse"? I'm guessing you haven't. Well, my "time of the month" is
starting right now. As I type, I can already feel hormonal forces
violently surging through my body. Just a few minutes from now, my body
will adjust and I'll be transformed into what my husband likes to call "an
inbred hillbilly with knife skills." Isn't the human body amazing?
As brand manager in the feminine-hygiene division, you've no doubt seen
quite a bit of research on what exactly happens during your customers'
monthly visits from Aunt Flo. Therefore, you must know about the bloating,
puffiness, and cramping we endure, and about our intense mood swings,
crying jags, and out-of-control behavior. You surely realize it's a tough
time for most women. In fact, only last week, my friend Jennifer fought
the violent urge to shove her boyfriend's testicles into a George
Foreman Grill just because he told her he thought Grey's Anatomy was
written by drunken chimps. Crazy! The point is, sir, you of all people
must realize that America is just crawling with homicidal maniacs in capri
pants. Which brings me to the reason for my letter.

Last month, while in the throes of cramping so painful I wanted to reach
inside my body and yank out my uterus, I opened an Always maxi pad, and
there, printed on the adhesive backing, were these words: "Have a Happy
Period."

Are you kidding me? What I mean is, does any part of your tiny
middle-manager brain really think happiness - actual smiling, laughing
happiness - is possible during a menstrual period? Did anything mentioned
above sound the least bit pleasurable? Well, did it, James? FYI, unless
you're some kind of sick S&M freak girl, there will never be anything
"happy" about a day in which you have to jack yourself up on Motrin and
Kahlua and lock yourself in your house just so you don't march down to the
local Walgreens armed with a hunting rifle and a sketchy plan to end your
life in a blaze of glory. For the love of God, pull your head out, man. If
you just have to slap a moronic message on a maxi pad, wouldn't it make
more sense to say something that's actually pertinent, like "Put Down the
Hammer" or "Vehicular Manslaughter Is Wrong"? Or are you just picking on
us?

Sir, please inform your accounting department that, effective immediately,
there will be an $8 drop in monthly profits, for I have chosen to take my
maxi-pad business elsewhere. And though I will certainly miss your Flexi-Wings,
I will not for one minute miss your brand of condescending BS. And that's a
promise I will keep. Always.


Kari Reith
Regulatory Specialist
Radiant Research
11500 Northlake Dr., Suite 320
Cincinnati, OH 45249
tel 513-247-5598
fax 513-247-5588
email: [email protected] (http://webmaila.juno.com/webmail/new/8?folder=Junk%20Mail&msgNum=0000kX00:0015tQyq00001GLm&block=1&msgNature=all&msgStatus=all&count=1172721172&content=central)

website: http://www.radiantresearch.com (http://www.radiantresearch.com/)

Sounds like a girl only SicEm could love...

Octavian
3/16/2007, 03:08 PM
Well, I'm not going to let a married, middle-aged, tubby, opinionated, healthcare professional, Irish male like you offend me... so there. :D ;)

How come?

rufnek05
3/16/2007, 03:10 PM
:pop:

FaninAma
3/16/2007, 03:22 PM
Well, I'm not going to let a married, middle-aged, tubby, opinionated, healthcare professional, Irish male like you offend me... so there. :D ;)

That a girl. :D

SoonerGirl06
3/16/2007, 04:08 PM
How come?

Wouldn't you just love to know. :P

VeeJay
3/16/2007, 05:37 PM
For instance, I am middle-aged(damn I thought I would never say that about myself) white male, about 10 pounds over weight, opinionated, work in the health profession, married, shop at Wal-Mart,enjoy the Coffee House station on Sirius Radio and am of Irish decent. :D

There ya go.

OklahomaRed
3/23/2007, 03:20 PM
There ya go.


Got that one wrong. I've seen Fan jumpin up and down on a Wal-Mart shopping cart the one time he'd been in there in over a year. He hates Wal-Mart ! :D

crawfish
3/23/2007, 04:34 PM
You know, most of our good "guy" movies and TV shows are being ruined by the irrational desire to have them appeal to women as well. I don't WANNA see a frickin' relationship, I don't care if he used to love her, I want explosions, dangit!

stoopified
3/23/2007, 05:07 PM
Interesting statistics from the author's website.. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/5225/surviving_frame.htm


[SIZE=7][COLOR=#ff4d4d]Damn straight.

tommieharris91
3/23/2007, 06:38 PM
My personal favorite is when women complain about not being able to find good men anymore. They really don't realize that they are attracted to men who are stronger and more powerful than them. It cracks me up every time I hear it.

Y'all started it.

Ohh, and I'd love to hear Deano's response.